eyeball Posted December 9, 2014 Report Posted December 9, 2014 Strange at it seems the US government, or it's President at least, isn't too proud of what the Senate Report on CIA interrogation methods will reveal. The White House is as leery of the blow back from this report on a global scale as people were with the Grand Jury release of it's findings into the police shooting of a teenage in Ferguson. I just don't get that. It must be a bittersweet moment, engendering as much pride as it does shame in the minds of real right-thinking Americans and their allies - pride in the courageous actions the report details and shame that so many Americans can't or won't embrace them as America's contribution to the advancement of justice, freedom, liberty....l'm sorry but...Oh God I just can't help but weep....it's so unfair that so many people don't get what America is really all about. Oh well, surely history will get it right and one day this report will be stand as prominently as any in the hallowed Pantheon of documents outlining why America is and always will remain The Shining Beacon that it is. Thank you and God bless you America...God bless you. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 9, 2014 Report Posted December 9, 2014 ....Oh well, surely history will get it right and one day this report will be stand as prominently as any in the hallowed Pantheon of documents outlining why America is and always will remain The Shining Beacon that it is. Somebody in the U.S. has to care first.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted December 9, 2014 Report Posted December 9, 2014 Somebody in the U.S. has to care first.... Hopefully there are people in the US who do actually care. I suspect there are, they just don't happen to be on this web. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted December 9, 2014 Report Posted December 9, 2014 This thread needed a link in the OP:http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/08/cia-torture-report-release-date-nears CIA braces for impact of torture report inquiry as release date nearsPublic airing of post-9/11 practices, coming after months of negotiation, is likely to attract attention worldwide and could come as early as Tuesday Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
cybercoma Posted December 9, 2014 Report Posted December 9, 2014 I thought terrorists caused terrorism and there's no such thing as blowback being a consequence of American policies? Quote
Shady Posted December 9, 2014 Report Posted December 9, 2014 This is a complete non-story regarding information that's already known. 3 people were water boarded like 10 years ago, a few times. Yawn. Quote
cybercoma Posted December 9, 2014 Report Posted December 9, 2014 This is a complete non-story regarding information that's already known. 3 people were water boarded like 10 years ago, a few times. Yawn.You've read nothing about this and every time you post about it, you drive your foot deeper into your mouth. First you say in the status that it was effective, despite the report saying it wasn't. Now you say it's information we already knew, despite the report saying the program was mismanaged and the torture was "far more brutal" than what was reported to lawmakers and the media. Do you ever inform yourself first before throwing around your opinions? Quote
Big Guy Posted December 9, 2014 Report Posted December 9, 2014 The report on the use of torture by the Americans has been released. It is not very complimentary to the CIA and trashes "enhanced interrogation techniques". http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/09/politics/cia-torture-report/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Is this another politically partisan issue or does this reflect majority American thinking? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
cybercoma Posted December 9, 2014 Report Posted December 9, 2014 3 people were water boarded like 10 years ago, a few times. Yawn.Just to really highlight how uninformed you are. "The report examines 20 specific cases, in which the CIA claimed some type of success in retrieval of information from the interrogation procedures, but the report says those examples were found to be wrong." http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/torture-report-reveals-cias-brutal-interrogation-tactics/story?id=27457494 And those were just specific cases where the CIA claimed they were successful. You really need to do your homework before posting. Quote
PIK Posted December 9, 2014 Report Posted December 9, 2014 Tell that to the Nazi's that did well in torturing people to tell them what they needed to know, especially in france. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
guyser Posted December 9, 2014 Report Posted December 9, 2014 Tell that to the Nazi's that did well in torturing people to tell them what they needed to know, especially in france.And you know this how? As for accuracy, what can you tell us? I suspect crickets for some time .... Quote
cybercoma Posted December 9, 2014 Report Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) Some key points from the ABC News article that I posted above. Bear in mind these were people who were held without a trial. Detained as "enemy combatants" without due process."The report also says the management of the interrogation program was flawed, pointing to an example from November 2002 when a detainee who had been held partially nude and chained to a concrete floor and wall died from suspected hypothermia."(Not waterboarding, Shady)"The report also details techniques that were allegedly “far more brutal” than previously revealed. The report highlights one interrogation session with the CIA’s first detainee, Abu Zabaydah, in which he became “completely unresponsive with bubbles rising through his open full mouth.” Additionally, at least five detainees were subjected to “rectal feeding” or “rectal hydration.”"(That's also not waterboarding, Shady) Edited December 9, 2014 by cybercoma Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 9, 2014 Report Posted December 9, 2014 Duplicate topic....mods please combine. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
PIK Posted December 9, 2014 Report Posted December 9, 2014 It is called history, read it some day. One case for it ,is when they caught a agent in france ,who under torture told them of the people on the way and where they will be parachuted in. They ended up with a whole bunch, most never to be seen again. A lot of cases out there. Only a fool would say torture never works. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Shady Posted December 9, 2014 Report Posted December 9, 2014 Of course torture can work. Anyone that suggests otherwise isn't being intellectually honest. Quote
Big Guy Posted December 9, 2014 Report Posted December 9, 2014 My concern is not necessarily what those spooks in the CIA did but the fact that they got away with it under the noses of public scrutiny. According to the report, the CIA became a rogue group who believed they had the right and mandate to extricate information by any method they chose. It was a "the end justifies the means" excuse. Why this should concern us is that this is just another instance where an arm of the government is allowed to disappear from elected oversight as to what they are doing. We have a similar situation here where CSIS and RCMP actions are never explained "for security reasons". There is no committee responsible for oversight of what these guys are doing in the dark. Now we have legislation pending which gives them even more power. You would think that we had learned from the mistakes the USA has made over the years. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
The_Squid Posted December 9, 2014 Report Posted December 9, 2014 Learn from USA mistakes? Canada supported them in this program. And knowingly sent someone to be tortured. And who was held accountable for that? Quote
Black Dog Posted December 9, 2014 Report Posted December 9, 2014 One would think the themes laid bare in this report - the waste of money, the lack of efficacy and accountability, the secrecy - would be catnip to small government conservative types, yet the GOP and its lackeys (the same folks who wouldn't shut up about Obamacare or Benghazi) are falling all over themselves to defend the program. Quote
eyeball Posted December 9, 2014 Author Report Posted December 9, 2014 Tell that to the Nazi's that did well in torturing people to tell them what they needed to know, especially in france.The CIA was emulating the Nazi's methods and they still cocked it up?Maybe the CIA just needs to recruit some proper villains. People who take pride in their work. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
PIK Posted December 9, 2014 Report Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) The CIA have always been the keystone spys .That is why I laugh my head off at people that think the CIA did 9/11 Edited December 9, 2014 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Big Guy Posted December 9, 2014 Report Posted December 9, 2014 I just watched Republican Senator John McCain agree with the report and condemn any and all torture techniques used by his government. He is one of the few who can speak from experience. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
On Guard for Thee Posted December 9, 2014 Report Posted December 9, 2014 Torture tactics have been proven over and over again, and now once more, not to work. The info gleaned tends to be of little or no use. I recently heard an interview with a 40 year MI6 agent who claimed that back in the cold war days that actually "befriending" captured enemy agents produced much more valuable information. Quote
eyeball Posted December 9, 2014 Author Report Posted December 9, 2014 Duplicate topic....mods please combine. I have no objections but I think I'd have to insist the combined thread be placed in the Morals and Ethics forum. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 9, 2014 Report Posted December 9, 2014 I have no objections but I think I'd have to insist the combined thread be placed in the Morals and Ethics forum. I agree....it is so sad that we can't torture anymore. Just have to bomb people with drones instead. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted December 9, 2014 Author Report Posted December 9, 2014 It's interesting how this report is mostly being characterized as a black eye for the CIA. It's probably safe to say most Americans are still utterly blind to the shiner the CIA is to America. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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