Jian Ghomeshi Fired from Q

[TimG]

But is a precedent being set that a public figure can be taken down by an accusation? Or is this a unique case because of the weight of multiple women with similar accounts of his behaviour.

If Jian goes down it is because the 'jury of his peers' has heard the evidence and concluded he is guilty. The fact that it was not in a court room is moot because he has had ample opportunity to present a defence. Ironically, his 'get the message out there first' strategy has kind of backfired because his version of events lends credibility to his accusers (one of whom is not anonymous and an extremely credible witness). Edited October 30, 2014 by TimG

[cybercoma]

you have a guy that's been made unemployable

That's not necessarily true; look at Chris Brown, R. Kelly, and other celebrities.

The CBC won't employ him out of due diligence, since it was one of their employees whom he harassed. That doesn't mean he's unemployable. In fact, he'll have no offences in a criminal record check.

[cybercoma]

But is a precedent being set that a public figure can be taken down by an accusation?

If an employer finds that there are credible allegations that an employee is sexually harassing others in the workplace, they're required by due diligence to address the situation up to and including termination. This doesn't set a precedent. It's already there and the burden of proof doesn't have to meet the standards of criminal litigation. It merely needs to be credible. If the employer doesn't act on credible evidence, then they can be found implicit in the harassment/assault.

[Black Dog]

I think most men would want to take matters into their own hands if their daughter came to them and said a man did what this guy is accused of doing.

Most daughters wouldn't. That's the problem.

[Black Dog]

What gets me about this is how obviously difficult it is for these women to have come forward, which makes me wonder about all the women who don't, which in turn makes me think of how frequently women who do come forward are accused of faking it for attention/revenge/money/lulz. It seems, though, society definitely tends to side with people who are accused of this kind of violence until a certain threshold has been reached. It's like they need four women for the word of one man.

[cybercoma]

Contrast it with other crimes. A locker full of dead babies is found in Winnipeg and nobody is saying, "hey we should wait until we got more info. Just because it belonged to that women....that doesn't mean anything."

[cybercoma]

CBC is making counsellors available to their employees after the revelation of Jian Gomeshi's "impropriety towards employees."

http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/10/30/actor-goes-public-with-ghomeshi-allegations/#.VFKPBYeBnZd

He's never going to win this lawsuit. If the company is making counsellors available, exactly how many women do they believe are affected?

[The_Squid]

Looks like Jian was an abusive dirtbag. I don't need a decision from a court of law before I form an opinion...

I didn't know if he was or not a week ago.... but with the number of people coming forward, it certainly looks like the evidence is not in his favour...

And yes, there is a threshold, as you say BD... one person can make false claims.... 2? possibly... 3+? less and less likely to be a conspiracy....

Edited October 30, 2014 by The_Squid

[bush_cheney2004]

Was this "dirtbag" an employee of Canada's state broadcaster ? No wonder he was turfed.

[Boges]

CBC is making counsellors available to their employees after the revelation of Jian Gomeshi's "impropriety towards employees."

http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/10/30/actor-goes-public-with-ghomeshi-allegations/#.VFKPBYeBnZd

He's never going to win this lawsuit. If the company is making counsellors available, exactly how many women do they believe are affected?

Sort of makes you wonder how many reported his inappropriate behaviour to their HR department and were ignored.

[BubberMiley]

He's never going to win this lawsuit.

That wasn't the point of the lawsuit, since he isn't allowed to sue them anyway because he's in a union. I believe the point was to get in front of the story and provide his version first, and to signal to any accusers that he is very litigious.

[Boges]

That wasn't the point of the lawsuit, since he isn't allowed to sue them anyway because he's in a union. I believe the point was to get in front of the story and provide his version first, and to signal to any accusers that he is very litigious.

If that's the case, then are we looking to see if he sues any this woman from the Trailer Park Boys since it's clear she can't prove her allegation.

[cybercoma]

Rock-It Promotions has also dropped Ghomeshi now. So both PR firms have severed ties with him now. Doesn't sound too promising for him.

[msj]

If that's the case, then are we looking to see if he sues any this woman from the Trailer Park Boys since it's clear she can't prove her allegation.

Sure he could. A civil suit has a lower standard of proof.

But this would truly be a she said/he said thing.

I wonder if this would go before a judge only since a jury would clearly be biased by the 6 other women claiming the same type of violence plus the one woman who worked at CBC and was harassed?

Would Jian really want this type of thing to go to trial anyway? More publicity?

All it would take is for one other woman to out herself and file a counter suit, along with Lucy who would likely do that automatically if Jian tried to sue her, and now you would have two she's against the one he in a civil court.

Ah ha! I have exposed the conspiracy. This is brilliant planning by Lucy and at least one other gold digging woman..... [/sarcasm]

Edited October 31, 2014 by msj

[Big Guy]

But it is starting to look like a she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, he said thing.

[On Guard for Thee]

It's all over but the cryin', especially if one or more of these women come forward with criminal complaints.

[jacee]

If that's the case, then are we looking to see if he sues any this woman from the Trailer Park Boys since it's clear she can't prove her allegation.

So is that your stance on all sexual and other assaults committed in private - he said/she said, can never be proven?

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[Boges]

So is that your stance on all sexual and other assaults committed in private - he said/she said, can never be proven?

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Nope. Just reponding to the claim he's litigious. If he's willing to sue his employer is it hard to believe he'd sue an accuser?

[On Guard for Thee]

If he's got money to pay a lawyer he can sue anybody he wants. The best I could possibly see him getting back is maybe a few bucks in an out of court from the CBC to get him to bugger off and get it off the news.

[Mighty AC]

He's never going to win this lawsuit. If the company is making counsellors available, exactly how many women do they believe are affected?

According to this story (The real reasons Jian Ghomeshi is suing the CBC ) the lawsuit cannot even proceed and must be thrown out. It suggests Jian just filed the suit to get out in front of this story publicly, in a way that prevented the CBC from filing a libel suit against him.

[cybercoma]

I was speaking hypothetically. There's no way he could win even if he could sue.

Another woman came forward today and says he beat her with a belt and left bruises now. This following both of his PR firms dropping him as a client.

[On Guard for Thee]

How the mighty have fallen.

[jacee]

Nope. Just reponding to the claim he's litigious. If he's willing to sue his employer is it hard to believe he'd sue an accuser?

It's not defamation if it's true. That may give him pause: The court's job is to determine who is telling the truth, "proof" or not.

Different issue than wrongful dismissal.

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[cybercoma]

A Twitter account from 6 months ago, claiming to be a Carleton University media grad, alleges Ghomeshi had lured her into his home under false pretences and beat her. Says many other media grads experienced the same thing.

http://www.theprovince.com/touch/story.html?id=10338269&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[jacee]

Not as nice off-air as he seems.

http://ww2.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/30/q-journalist-who-alleges-ghomeshi-threatened-to-hate-f-her-says-she-complained-to-boss-in-2010

The woman did assist in the birth of one of the networks most popular and acclaimed programs but, she recounted in a lengthy interview Thursday, the next three years on Q were hellish.

It was marked by alternating charm, emotional cruelty and sexual harassment from Mr. Ghomeshi and a shrug of the shoulders from her manager when she complained about the hosts behaviour, charged the ex-producer.

We were always on pins and needles, and we were always scared, she said.

Jian had created this environment of tyranny, no one was standing up to him, everyone enabled his behaviour.

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The woman, now 35, also said she observed some unusual dating strategies by Mr. Ghomeshi. He would search for messages about him posted on Twitter or Facebook by women who appeared attractive, then contacted them directly, she said.

He did this every single night, the former producer said. He was soliciting non stop. It was his playground.

We're at 9 women coming forward now?

There could be hundreds ...

What a bizarre twist for someone who, on-air, comes across as so respectful and ... so nice.

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Edited October 31, 2014 by jacee