Jian Ghomeshi Fired from Q

[cybercoma]

Two women have gone to Toronto police, who have opened an investigation now.

[jacee]

Two women have gone to Toronto police, who have opened an investigation now.

http://www.vancouversun.com/touch/story.html?id=10342960

[cybercoma]

Thanks. I couldn't link from my phone. It wouldn't paste here for some reason.

[bush_cheney2004]

This fun loving guy was Lights' manager ? Not anymore......

[Shady]

Ghomeshi is a complete dirtbag. He preyed on young women for several years, and the CBC was complicit in him getting away with it, and vicimizing ever more women in the process. He didn't do anything brave by coming out and being honest. He did this in an attempt to get out in front of a story he knew was coming. He's also a complete hypocrit, as well as the CBC.

[Shady]

Jian did not kick a helpless puppy in an elevator. He engaged in consensual S&M sex with a partner. His parter got pissed because he broke off the relationship. End of story. No more to tell here folks. She knew of his high standing at the CBC and played on it.

No, not end of story at all. And yes, very much more to tell here folks. As usual you're wrong, and post like you know the complete story, such was the case of the Michael Brown shooting.

[WestCoastRunner]

No, not end of story at all. And yes, very much more to tell here folks. As usual you're wrong, and post like you know the complete story, such was the case of the Michael Brown shooting.

I posted at the beginning of this thread not knowing all the facts. When I posted, none of the women had come forward. I admit, I was a big fan of his radio program and I wanted to believe that he could do no wrong. This is a great example of waiting for the facts to come out.

I have great empathy for the victims of Jian's alleged assaults. I do hope that more of them come forward to press charges. Jian will not stop his behaviour without facing the consequences and seeking professional help. He has admitted that he is under psychiatric care for various mental disorders and has been for many years.

I understand that charges are pending. It will be good to hear all the facts.

As far as Michael Brown shooting. We still do not know all the facts and we will have to wait and see. As I recall, you came out defending the cop without hearing all the facts.

This thread is fast becoming a gossip thread.

[WestCoastRunner]

. As usual you're wrong,

What do you mean by that? Am I wrong is all my posts?

[BubberMiley]

Ghomeshi is a complete dirtbag. He preyed on young women for several years, and the CBC was complicit in him getting away with it, and vicimizing ever more women in the process. He didn't do anything brave by coming out and being honest. He did this in an attempt to get out in front of a story he knew was coming. He's also a complete hypocrit, as well as the CBC.

I have to ask what evidence you have that the CBC was complicit, because once again you either are wrong or are lying.

Edited November 1, 2014 by BubberMiley

[WestCoastRunner]

I have to ask what evidence you have that the CBC was complicit, because once again you either are wrong or are lying.

Gomeshi had a history of hitting on young women. Let's not forget he is also an ex-musician. He is used to 'groupies' and knows how to manipulate them. He knows far more than the CBC on how to manipulate these women and let's remember that none of his victims reported him to the police. The CBC does not monitor the personal lives of their employees.

[bush_cheney2004]

I never heard of this 40+ year old perv before...why would he be such an attraction to young women ? Is he related to Justin Bieber ?

[BubberMiley]

The CBC does not monitor the personal lives of their employees.

And no one expects them to. Some posters here can't talk about anything without trying to make it right-versus-left political and I guess they only way to do it in this case was to try and tie his behaviour to the CBC.

Calling out pathetic political lying is my favourite pastime at this site.

[cybercoma]

Rape Myths in wake of Jian Ghomeshi Story http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/10/31/rape_myths_emerge_in_wake_of_jian_ghomeshi_story_porter.html

Myth 1: Women lie about sexual assault

"Studies show that only 2 per cent to 8 per cent of rape victims lie. That means 92 per cent to 98 per cent are telling the truth."

Myth 2: The victim provoked the assault

"Sexual assault is a crime, not a consequence. That’s why the law states “consent has to be active and ongoing through sexual encounter," says Lise Gotell, a gender studies professor at the University of Alberta."

Myth 3: Real victims call the cops immediately

"Surveys by Statistics Canada reveal that only one in 10 sexual assault victims report the crime to the police."

Myth 4: Rapists are dangerous strangers lurking in bushes

"82 per cent of sexual assaults are committed by the victim’s friends, family members or acquaintances."

Myth 5: Rape is rare

"Most years, around 500,000 women say they’ve been touched, grabbed or forced to do something sexually against their will. The statistics have not budged much over the past two decades."

[The_Squid]

Ghomeshi is a complete dirtbag. He preyed on young women for several years, and the CBC was complicit in him getting away with it, and vicimizing ever more women in the process. He didn't do anything brave by coming out and being honest. He did this in an attempt to get out in front of a story he knew was coming. He's also a complete hypocrit, as well as the CBC.

Shouldn't you see the video first before jumping to these conclusions....?

[ReeferMadness]

Rape Myths in wake of Jian Ghomeshi Story http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/10/31/rape_myths_emerge_in_wake_of_jian_ghomeshi_story_porter.html

I won't challenge your statistics directly as I'm sure they're based on fine research. Instead, let's focus on the word consent. Now, you would think that it would be pretty easy for two reasonably intelligent people to interact in such a way that that both would understand whether an act was consensual. But it might not be that simple. Human communication is ridiculously imprecise and ambivalent (often purposely so).

When it takes teams of lawyers to hammer out a software agreement or write some legislation, what is the likelihood that a couple of people whose judgement might be impaired by drugs, booze and hormones will always see things the same way? Most people have read statistics about how only 7 percent of communication is verbal (the remainder being tone and body language). Even verbal communication is subject to misinterpretation; body language and tone cannot be objectively measured. Is it reasonable to believe that people will behave differently when it comes to sexual communication? Certainly, much (probably most) of the time, intent is reasonably clear and people are able to understand each others intent. However, between "no means no" and "enthusiastic consent", there are far more than 50 shades of grey.

I'm not intending to make excuses for anyone's behaviour or minimize the damage or pain suffered by sexual assault victims. I'm just saying that in the world of human communications the perception of consent may be different from the points of view of the two people involved. And memories are deeply imperfect.

So, when I see statistics like these, it seems to me that they depend on a standard of communicative precision that is often sadly lacking.

Myth 1: Women lie about sexual assault

"Studies show that only 2 per cent to 8 per cent of rape victims lie. That means 92 per cent to 98 per cent are telling the truth."

Myth 2: The victim provoked the assault

"Sexual assault is a crime, not a consequence. That’s why the law states “consent has to be active and ongoing through sexual encounter," says Lise Gotell, a gender studies professor at the University of Alberta."

"82 per cent of sexual assaults are committed by the victim’s friends, family members or acquaintances." Myth 5: Rape is rare

"Most years, around 500,000 women say they’ve been touched, grabbed or forced to do something sexually against their will. The statistics have not budged much over the past two decades."

So if only 2 percent to 8 percent of victims lie, does that mean that rape occurs in 92 to 98 percent of the cases? Not necessarily. There may be differences between how the victim saw the event at the time, how the victim saw the event later, how an independent observer might view the event, how the law might see the event and how the other party saw the event.

[Michael Hardner]

And no one expects them to. Some posters here can't talk about anything without trying to make it right-versus-left political and I guess they only way to do it in this case was to try and tie his behaviour to the CBC.

I agree that this isn't a right-vs-left issue, but the CBC has to look at some serious questions surrounding this.

[Michael Hardner]

CBC says that they didn't hear any complaints before Ghomeshi showed them the video. This contradicts the information from anonymous complaintant that she spoke to management. Personally, the complaintant's story rings true - including the fact that she spoke to somebody, but apparently didn't file any paperwork.

Such a situation would enable the CBC to make their statement, from a paper trail point of view, however if it's true then it shows a shameful disregard for the responsibilities of management, ie. managing people, ensuring an atmosphere of respect and safety.

[BubberMiley]

I agree that this isn't a right-vs-left issue, but the CBC has to look at some serious questions surrounding this.

Do you have a link?

I ask because your claims of a contradiction prove to be incorrect when you actually read what has been reported.

Edited November 1, 2014 by BubberMiley

[Michael Hardner]

Do you have a link?

I ask because your claims of a contradiction prove to be incorrect when you actually read what has been reported.

Here's the story:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/10/26/cbc_fires_jian_ghomeshi_over_sex_allegations.html

Only one of the alleged victims worked at the CBC. She never dated Ghomeshi. She alleges he approached her from behind and cupped her rear end in the Q studio, and that he quietly told her at a story meeting that he wanted to “hate f---” her.

The woman said she complained about Ghomeshi’s behaviour to her union representative, who took the complaint to a Q producer. As the woman recalls, the producer asked her “what she could do to make this a less toxic workplace” for herself. No further action was taken by the CBC, and the woman left the broadcaster shortly thereafter.

[Michael Hardner]

Another angle:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/30/q-journalist-who-alleges-ghomeshi-threatened-to-hate-f-her-says-she-complained-to-boss-in-2010/

The woman did assist in the birth of one of the network’s most popular and acclaimed programs but, she recounted in a lengthy interview Thursday, the next three years on Q were hellish.

It was marked by alternating charm, emotional “cruelty” and sexual harassment from Mr. Ghomeshi — and a shrug of the shoulders from her manager when she complained about the host’s behaviour, charged the ex-producer.

“We were always on pins and needles, and we were always scared,” she said. “Jian had created this environment of tyranny, no one was standing up to him, everyone enabled his behaviour.”

[BubberMiley]

Read further and you will find all parties admit she did not complain about that behaviour specifically. She complained about him yelling at her and that's it..

[Michael Hardner]

All I see is something about "formal allegations" in the Toronto Star article.

[BubberMiley]

All I see is something about "formal allegations" in the Toronto Star article.

I have a link:

However, a source told The Canadian Press that the woman did not allege sexual or other harassment, only that he had inappropriately yelled at her before storming off.

"She didn't say he said anything sexually harassing, even though now she says she did,'' the source said. "Both of them say she didn't.''

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/10/31/jian-ghomeshi-toronto-police-investigation_n_6085406.html?utm_hp_ref=canada

[Michael Hardner]

I have a link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/10/31/jian-ghomeshi-toronto-police-investigation_n_6085406.html?utm_hp_ref=canada

Ok... this will unfold further, I'm sure.

[GostHacked]

8 women in total have come forward now, including the actress who played Lucy in Trailer Park Boys. Navigator is no longer representing him either.

Apparently it happened back in 2006. Why did she wait 8 years to say anything? This is not excusing Jian's alleged behaviour.