Hudson Jones Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 Why did Israel refuse Kerry's ceasefire? Where are the supporters of ceasefires? The ones that were crying about the ceasefire that Hamas didn't accept (mainly because they weren't even consulted about it). There is hardly any difference between the draft agreement presented by Kerry and the Egyptian proposal. So why did Israel refuse it? Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
cybercoma Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) It's hard to let refugees flee when they might have bombs strapped to them...or did we forget that already?Real easy to say from the outside, but it's completely against international war treaties and human rights to trap innocent people in a war zone especially when you know you're going to kill them. This is as bad as Hamas targeting civilians, IMO. Edited July 30, 2014 by cybercoma Quote
cybercoma Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 Israel warned civilians to leave the areas where they were going to be targetting Hamas tunnels and rockets days in advance, thus doing everything they could to reduce civilian casualties. Hamas forcefully prevented civilians from leaving. Get your facts straight.So it's Hamas preventing them from leaving? Because that's not what the UN is saying. Quote
cybercoma Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 Where are they being stopped from fleeing into? Obviously they can't 'flee' into Israel. Is Israel preventing them from 'fleeing' into Egypt?Why can't refugees flee through Israel? Quote
Big Guy Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 To get back to the OP of this thread - has Hamas admitted to or claimed responsibility for the deaths of these Israeli teenagers? Does it matter now? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
jacee Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 It's hard to let refugees flee when they might have bombs strapped to them...or did we forget that already?That sickening strategy hasn't been in use since 2009.. Quote
Guest Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 I'm sure it would still be used if it worked. The most recent attempt featured a donkey, I think. Is there an afterlife for donkeys, or is it not a martyr because it couldn't legally give consent? Quote
jacee Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 Hamas forcefully prevented civilians from leaving. Get your facts straight. Link? . Quote
eyeball Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) Ultimately, this is Israel's operation without regard to what outsiders think, including the U.S. Yes, well it's the way many countries roll nowadays isn't it? It definitely seems to have become a more respectable if not fashionable modus operandi these days. Go figure. Got popcorn? Edited July 30, 2014 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
jbg Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 Yes, that's the only choice.... Nuclear option or outright surrender.... Nothing in between and certainly no peaceful solutions. Do you want to be the lead negotiator? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 Yes, well it's the way many countries roll nowadays isn't it? It definitely seems to have become a more respectable if not fashionable modus operandi these days. Go figure. It has always been thus...why does it have to be different for Israel when it is attacked ? Go figure..... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 They did before. That's why they're stuck there. Oh and no one is carpet bombing. They don't even have that capability. Exactly. If Israel was carpet bombing, there's be much more than the few hundred casualties to date. Quote
jbg Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 Exactly. If Israel was carpet bombing, there's be much more than the few hundred casualties to date. Hamas is rapidly pushing Israel towards carpet bombing. The people are supporting Hamas. They don't know when to stop. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
eyeball Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 It has always been thus...why does it have to be different for Israel when it is attacked ? Go figure..... Dunno, pray tell. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Bonam Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) Hamas forcefully prevented civilians from leaving. Get your facts straight. Link? http://www.jewishjournal.com/israel/article/hamas_calls_on_palestinian_civilians_to_remain_in_homes_in_face_of_israeli http://freebeacon.com/national-security/hamas-orders-civilians-to-die-in-israeli-airstrikes/ http://www.moi.gov.ps/En/Details.aspx?NID=67875 The people were ordered and encouraged to stay in the target areas and to ignore Israeli warnings. Edited July 30, 2014 by Bonam Quote
jacee Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) Hamas forcefully prevented civilians from leaving. Get your facts straight. Link? http://www.jewishjournal.com/israel/article/hamas_calls_on_palestinian_civilians_to_remain_in_homes_in_face_of_israelihttp://freebeacon.com/national-security/hamas-orders-civilians-to-die-in-israeli-airstrikes/ http://www.moi.gov.ps/En/Details.aspx?NID=67875 The people were ordered and encouraged to stay in the target areas and to ignore Israeli warnings. Ahh ... so Hamas did not 'forcefully prevent civilians from leaving'. Thanks for clarifying. . Edited July 30, 2014 by jacee Quote
Bonam Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 Ahh ... so Hamas did not 'forcefully prevent civilians from leaving'. Thanks for clarifying. . You're right, they just ordered them not to leave. And we all know what happens to Gazans who don't follow Hamas directives. Quote
GostHacked Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 Not much different in the USA when you have armed guards and metal detectors before you get into the schools. It's for their protection obviously. Israel warned civilians to leave the areas where they were going to be targetting Hamas tunnels and rockets days in advance, thus doing everything they could to reduce civilian casualties. Hamas forcefully prevented civilians from leaving. Get your facts straight. Where are they going to go? Quote
Black Dog Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 Hamas is rapidly pushing Israel towards carpet bombing. The people are supporting Hamas. They don't know when to stop. Link? Quote
Boges Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 Not much different in the USA when you have armed guards and metal detectors before you get into the schools. It's for their protection obviously. Where are they going to go? You clearly didn't get the intention of the cartoon. Hamas puts weapons next to Hospitals and Schools not to protect them but so that they can accuse Israel from targeting civilians when they take their weapons out. Quote
GostHacked Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 You clearly didn't get the intention of the cartoon. Hamas puts weapons next to Hospitals and Schools not to protect them but so that they can accuse Israel from targeting civilians when they take their weapons out. I bet the Iron Dome facilities are located close to civilian areas. Israel took out Gaza's power plant. And the media center housing several media entities. No missiles there. Anyways, no matter WHERE Hamas decides to put the rockets, they will be close to civilians. There is no room. And besides, since they cannot have a standing military, what really do you expect? Continued occupation will only result in terrorism. Quote
Boges Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 I bet the Iron Dome facilities are located close to civilian areas. Israel took out Gaza's power plant. And the media center housing several media entities. No missiles there. Anyways, no matter WHERE Hamas decides to put the rockets, they will be close to civilians. There is no room. And besides, since they cannot have a standing military, what really do you expect? Continued occupation will only result in terrorism. They aren't occupied. Israel left the area. And no I don't imagine Israel put military targets right near where civilians areas. Quote
jbg Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 They are protecting their citizens with the Iron Dome. Their citizens are safe against Hamas. Israel is reacting over the top with the killings of innocent Palestinian families. This is what everyone seems to forget. There are innocent Palestinian families being massacred as we speak.Iron Dome may not be foolproof. I wouldn't want to be the Defense Minister if a rocket gets through and slams into Tel Aviv at rush hour. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 Anyways, no matter WHERE Hamas decides to put the rockets, they will be close to civilians. There is no room. And besides, since they cannot have a standing military, what really do you expect? Continued occupation will only result in terrorism.Who says Hamas has a right to use rockets? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 You're right, they just ordered them not to leave. And we all know what happens to Gazans who don't follow Hamas directives.Yes. Hamas seeks a U.N. resolution against the disobedient parties? </sarcasm? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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