This week in Islam

[dialamah]

7 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

You do understand why that is, right?  It has nothing to do with Islamophobia, racism, bigotry, etc.  It has to do with numbers, and the reason for those numbers.

 

So if non-Muslim actors attack and kill more Westerners than do Muslim actors, then we should focus on Muslim attacks to the exclusion of these other ones, but that's just good sense and nothing to do with Islamaphobia?   Really?

[DogOnPorch]

5 minutes ago, dialamah said:

So if non-Muslim actors attack and kill more Westerners than do Muslim actors, then we should focus on Muslim attacks to the exclusion of these other ones, but that's just good sense and nothing to do with Islamaphobia?   Really?

 

What does Dar-al-Harb mean, dialamah?

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, dialamah said:

So if non-Muslim actors attack and kill more Westerners than do Muslim actors, then we should focus on Muslim attacks to the exclusion of these other ones, but that's just good sense and nothing to do with Islamaphobia?   Really?

Why westerners?  Do you not care when Muslims kill anyone else?

Which westerners?  Are you going back to middle of the last century and counting the Baader Meinhof gang and the IRA?

Which media?  Your article was from the Independent, so I assume they don't.  The Guardian, the BBC, the CBC, surely they aren't Islamaphobic?

Edited March 18, 2017 by bcsapper

[dialamah]

Just now, bcsapper said:

Why westerners?  Do you not care when Muslims kill anyone else?

 

I do care, but the media doesn't.  If the media was over in Middle Eastern countries, covering terror attacks there with the same dedication they cover terror attacks in the States, France or the UK, then you'd have a point.  But they don't.  

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Which westerners?  Are you going back to middle of the last century and counting the Baader Meinhof gang and the IRA?

The article I cited covers the time period between 2011-2015, so no I'm not going back to the last century.  

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Which media?  Your article was from the Independent, so I assume they don't.  The Guardian, the BBC, the CBC, surely they aren't Islamophobic?

 

Did I say anything about Islamaphobic?   I said that when a terror attack happens in Western countries, the media covers it extensively (even ad nauseum), but if it's a terror attack carried out by a non-Muslim, it does not get near the same attention.   Sometimes, it's not even mentioned.

 

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, dialamah said:

I do care, but the media doesn't.  If the media was over in Middle Eastern countries, covering terror attacks there with the same dedication they cover terror attacks in the States, France or the UK, then you'd have a point.  But they don't.  

The article I cited covers the time period between 2011-2015, so no I'm not going back to the last century.  

Did I say anything about Islamaphobic?   I said that when a terror attack happens in Western countries, the media covers it extensively (even ad nauseum), but if it's a terror attack carried out by a non-Muslim, it does not get near the same attention.   Sometimes, it's not even mentioned.

 

Okay, I had to read the article to try and understand what you are getting at.  I got as far as this:

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Muslims commit far fewer terrorist attacks than non-Muslims, the research found,

and ditched it.  Because that's one of the dumbest comments I've ever read.  I'm surprised at the Independent.  Question:  Do you believe that?

 

[dialamah]

Just now, bcsapper said:

Okay, I had to read the article to try and understand what you are getting at.  I got as far as this:   "Muslims commit far fewer terrorist attacks than non-Muslims, the research found" and ditched it.  Because that's one of the dumbest comments I've ever read.  I'm surprised at the Independent. 

 

I don't agree that it's accurate if you include attacks by ISIS et al in the Middle East.  I think it might be true if it's just terror attacks in the West.  I do believe that if you go back to the 1970s, home-grown terrorism still outstrips Islamic terrorism in terms of death and property destruction, but what was true in the 1970s/80s/90s is hardly applicable now, eh?    

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Question:  Do you believe that?

I'm currently at a website that contains a database of all terror attacks around the world.  It's pretty extensive, so I'm narrowing the search to include France, the UK, US and Canada from 2011-2015; it lists perpetrators if known, affiliation if there is one, injuries and deaths.   It includes a link to details for each line item.   I am going to see if the Islamic terror attacks:

•  outnumber non-Islamic terror attacks in these countries for any year, and overall; and
•  if media coverage of these events was as extensive as media coverage of Islamic attacks, and if people are as aware of the non-Islamic attacks as they are of Islamic ones.
• might also break down by injured and dead, not sure yet.

So, I'm going to find out if I believe it or not.  I will get back to you with the results of research and my conclusion (and links and stuff), although I have an appointment this afternoon so it may not be 'till tomorrow.

 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, dialamah said:

I don't agree that it's accurate if you include attacks by ISIS et al in the Middle East.  I think it might be true if it's just terror attacks in the West.  I do believe that if you go back to the 1970s, home-grown terrorism still outstrips Islamic terrorism in terms of death and property destruction, but what was true in the 1970s/80s/90s is hardly applicable now, eh?    

I'm currently at a website that contains a database of all terror attacks around the world.  It's pretty extensive, so I'm narrowing the search to include France, the UK, US and Canada from 2011-2015; it lists perpetrators if known, affiliation if there is one, injuries and deaths.   It includes a link to details for each line item.   I am going to see if the Islamic terror attacks:

•  outnumber non-Islamic terror attacks in these countries for any year, and overall; and
•  if media coverage of these events was as extensive as media coverage of Islamic attacks, and if people are as aware of the non-Islamic attacks as they are of Islamic ones.
• might also break down by injured and dead, not sure yet.

So, I'm going to find out if I believe it or not.  I will get back to you with the results of research and my conclusion (and links and stuff), although I have an appointment this afternoon so it may not be 'till tomorrow.

 

Why 2011 - 2015, if I can ask?  And why just France, the UK, US and Canada?  If you manipulate data you can get it to say pretty much whatever you want.  The reason Islamic terrorism is big news is because there is so much of it worldwide, and because it involves a God.

Edited March 18, 2017 by bcsapper

[dialamah]

3 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Why 2011 - 2015, if I can ask?  And why just France, the UK, US and Canada?  If you manipulate data you can get it to say pretty much whatever you want.  The reason Islamic terrorism is big news is because there is so much of it worldwide, and because it involves a God.

 

Because I was talking about Western media attention on Islamic terror attacks in Western countries.   I chose 2011-2015 because it's relatively current; claiming that environmentalists are the worst terror group because they knocked over pipelines in the 1980s would be rather silly, wouldn't it?   I chose Canada because of us; I chose the US because they're the drivers of a lot of Western media; I chose France because they've had a few highly-publicized Islamic attacks and I chose the UK just because.   That data can't say "whatever I want" vis-a-vis those countries and time periods, especially if I give the link.    

I think 'because it involves a god' is essentially irrelevant to this particular data. 

I might include some stuff on worldwide terror then, for comparison purposes.   Could be very interesting.  

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, dialamah said:

Because I was talking about Western media attention on Islamic terror attacks in Western countries.   I chose 2011-2015 because it's relatively current; claiming that environmentalists are the worst terror group because they knocked over pipelines in the 1980s would be rather silly, wouldn't it?   I chose Canada because of us; I chose the US because they're the drivers of a lot of Western media; I chose France because they've had a few highly-publicized Islamic attacks and I chose the UK just because.   That data can't say "whatever I want" vis-a-vis those countries and time periods, especially if I give the link.    

I think 'because it involves a god' is essentially irrelevant to this particular data. 

I might include some stuff on worldwide terror then, for comparison purposes.   Could be very interesting.  

 

Islam is behaving exactly as it has since its inception. 700 AD...1097 AD...1895 AD...2017 AD...no matter.

 

[DogOnPorch]

To put this in perspective: it would be as if Norway still did Viking Raids.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Because I was talking about Western media attention on Islamic terror attacks in Western countries.   I chose 2011-2015 because it's relatively current; claiming that environmentalists are the worst terror group because they knocked over pipelines in the 1980s would be rather silly, wouldn't it?   I chose Canada because of us; I chose the US because they're the drivers of a lot of Western media; I chose France because they've had a few highly-publicized Islamic attacks and I chose the UK just because.   That data can't say "whatever I want" vis-a-vis those countries and time periods, especially if I give the link.    

I think 'because it involves a god' is essentially irrelevant to this particular data. 

I might include some stuff on worldwide terror then, for comparison purposes.   Could be very interesting.  

I don't think God is irrelevant.  It's the dumbest reason for terrorism I've ever heard, and as such, makes all the deaths even more newsworthy. 

[Argus]

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

Are you of the opinion that Islamic terrorism is over reported?  What should the news organisations do when a Muslim kills or tries to kill someone because they think their God thinks it might be a good idea?  Stick to the sports?

In fact, the CBC didn't even report it as a terrorist incident. Neither the Globe nor the Post or Citizen said anything about it being a Muslim. I had to read that from European and American sites. I also learned on those other sites that both the police officer he shot and the soldier he attacked and the person whose car he carjacked were all women. Not, I think, a coincidence.

Edited March 18, 2017 by Argus

[GostHacked]

On 3/9/2017 at 4:19 PM, Argus said:

Not especially. Why? If we refused would that accomplish anything?

You are not concerned Canada's weapon sales to Saudi Arabia will help them export more terrorism in the Middle East?

[GostHacked]

2 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

If any group conducted bombing/terrorism campaigns like Islam, they'd also be singled out.

Islam, however, is the KING of terrorism.

Comparable events can be found in Mexican Drug Cartels...violence wise.

I'd say the West's war on terror, has only created more terrorism. I'd say the West is KING at exporting terrorism. Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, ect ect.. We can go back to Hillary Clinton making the admission that they (meaning the US) created Al-Queda.

Don't you get tired of being wrong all the time? I guess not.

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, GostHacked said:

I'd say the West's war on terror, has only created more terrorism. I'd say the West is KING at exporting terrorism. Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, ect ect.. We can go back to Hillary Clinton making the admission that they (meaning the US) created Al-Queda.

Don't you get tired of being wrong all the time? I guess not.

 

You're free to think anything you like.

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, Argus said:

In fact, the CBC didn't even report it as a terrorist incident. Neither the Globe nor the Post or Citizen said anything about it being a Muslim. I had to read that from European and American sites. I also learned on those other sites that both the police officer he shot and the soldier he attacked and the person whose car he carjacked were all women. Not, I think, a coincidence.

And then there's the BBC... 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bbc-asian-network-twitter-right-punishment-blasphemy-apology-pakistan-a7637266.html

Hilarious.

Edited March 18, 2017 by bcsapper

[GostHacked]

20 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

You're free to think anything you like.

Yes, at least I can think.  But you are free to support one Islamic dictatorship over another.

[DogOnPorch]

38 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Yes, at least I can think.  But you are free to support one Islamic dictatorship over another.

You're also free to falsely claim I support Islam.

I don't.

But, unlike yourself, I've read the Quran.

[GostHacked]

25 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

You're also free to falsely claim I support Islam.

I don't.

But, unlike yourself, I've read the Quran.

Hey, again, you are free to support one Islamic dictatorship over another.

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, GostHacked said:

Hey, again, you are free to support one Islamic dictatorship over another.

 

That I am...so I choose zero.

[DogOnPorch]

Meanwhile...this week...besides another Islamic terror attack in Paris....

Turkey's Islamist leader/strongman declared that a clash between Christianity and Islam has started. This coming after Turkey's Foreign Minister stated "Holy wars will soon begin."

Turkey is sounding more like Iran every day...

 

[DogOnPorch]

Plus...a bit more info on the IAF strike into Syria. Apparently it was a Hezbollah convoy loaded with Iranian goodies brought in from Lebanon. That's the IAF's story. A shipment of powdered baby milk for the desperate orphans if one believes Hezbollah.

[Argus]

3 hours ago, GostHacked said:

You are not concerned Canada's weapon sales to Saudi Arabia will help them export more terrorism in the Middle East?

The Saudis don't export terrorism with tanks. They export terrorism with money, imams and korans.

[Goddess]

5 hours ago, dialamah said:

 

I think 'because it involves a god' is essentially irrelevant to this particular data. 

I think it's entirely relevant when someone kills because of a God. 

[Goddess]

http://glbn.ca/7Pa3r7

Canadian recruited by ISIS is arrested in Turkey.

Another linked news article, CSIS says ISIS recruiting Canadians via social media.  Hmmmmmm....