On Guard for Thee Posted August 3, 2015 Report Posted August 3, 2015 More revisionist history.....the Canada Israel Free Trade Agreement was negotiated by the Liberals. Nearly two decades ago, the Liberal government of Prime Minister Jean Chretien signed a bilateral free trade pact with Israel. According to the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development (DFTD), "the Canada-Israel Free Trade Agreement (CIFTA) has assisted in the tripling in the value of merchandise trade between our two countries since it came into force in 1997." http://www.thewhig.com/2015/06/25/expanding-canada-israel-trade-a-good-thing Yeah I think the US has a few deals with Israel as well, but your leader isn't afraid to scold Netanyahu on his various failings including human rights violations. Quote
Argus Posted August 3, 2015 Report Posted August 3, 2015 (edited) I have too many other things to read rather than to waste time on propaganda coming from the NY Post! Are you saying there is no such book? So, when it comes to the neverending Muslims are going to takeover Israel story, I'll look at who's got the guns, Why? You pay no attention to what the countries say or what they write? What does it matter who has guns if we're talking about good or bad intentions? and who's doing the ethnic cleansing to drive Palestinians out of the West Bank and make Gaza unlivable, The Arab population of the Palestine territories has increased about 400% since the Israelis took it over. I'm not sure where you think this is ethnic cleansing. Do you have a different definition of the term than most people? A sidebar to our election story could be: why has Harper turned Canada from an independent western nation with a public position of working for peace in the Middle East into a pro-Israel lapdog! You mean from a country which was afraid to vote against the unending repetitious UN denunciations of Israel by demagogue Muslim dictatorships to one which votes against them? And yes, I've heard of Andalus. Now tell the other half of the story that the Moor Kingdom was a cosmopolitan society which was destroyed when they were completely forced out of Spain and Ferdinand & Isabella set up their Catholic kingdom which ethnically cleansed out Muslims, Jews, heretical Christians and other minority religions... So foreign Muslim conquest is good. Self rule is bad. Do I have that right? By the way, your Muslim heroes are ethnicly cleansing people TODAY, never mind 500 years ago. Edited August 3, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted August 4, 2015 Report Posted August 4, 2015 And yes, I've heard of Andalus. Now tell the other half of the story that the Moor Kingdom was a cosmopolitan society which was destroyed when they were completely forced out of Spain and Ferdinand & Isabella set up their Catholic kingdom which ethnically cleansed out Muslims, Jews, heretical Christians and other minority religions....even accusing remaining converted Jews (Conversos) of secretly practicing their Jewish religion and putting them to the test of inquisition trials. Most of the prominent Jews, such as the renowned Jewish scholar and philosopher - Moses Maimonides, had to flee to North Africa to escape being put to the sword.Having said that, let's not imply that ISIS would turn it into a cosmopolitan centre again. Quote
Shady Posted August 8, 2015 Report Posted August 8, 2015 This week in Islam... Blogger hacked to death in Bangladesh, fourth this year https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogger-hacked-death-bangladesh-fourth-103750720.html Quote
eyeball Posted August 8, 2015 Report Posted August 8, 2015 For those of you who don't recognize the name, they're talking about Spain, which they conquered some time ago then got booted out by the locals - in 1492. Religious conservatives...you gotta love em. They're batshit crazy alright there's no doubt about it, but on par for most religious conservatives...recall how Spain used to strut about the planet imagining it was all their's...I mean who were they to argue otherwise given the Pope's orders they had in hand. Give us another 50,000 years to evolve and this will all seem as silly to everyone...religious conservatives notwithstanding of course. They're like coelacanths, in it for the long haul. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted August 8, 2015 Report Posted August 8, 2015 This week in Islam... Blogger hacked to death in Bangladesh, fourth this year https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogger-hacked-death-bangladesh-fourth-103750720.html Fourth atheist, all of which were also lefties, feminists, labour activists...this craziness has way way way more to do with conservatism than religion. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Guest Posted August 15, 2015 Report Posted August 15, 2015 Bummer: Islamic Islamophobes. And graffiti in my home town! http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas-murray/2015/08/muslims-in-the-uk-are-now-attacking-mosques-does-that-make-them-islamophobic/ Quote
Guest Posted August 15, 2015 Report Posted August 15, 2015 Fourth atheist, all of which were also lefties, feminists, labour activists...this craziness has way way way more to do with conservatism than religion. Page one in Google. Conservatism (or conservativism) is any political philosophy that favours tradition (in the sense of various religious, cultural, or nationally-defined beliefs and customs) in the face of external forces for change, and is critical of proposals for radical social change. Quote
Argus Posted August 15, 2015 Report Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) Fourth atheist, all of which were also lefties, feminists, labour activists...this craziness has way way way more to do with conservatism than religion. Just coincidence they all scream how God is Great, right? Nothing to do with Islam, the language of peace. Got a list of lefty bloggers hacked to death in the US bible belt the last few months? Must be a ton given how conservative those folks are... Edited August 15, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted August 16, 2015 Report Posted August 16, 2015 Careful what you wish for. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WIP Posted August 16, 2015 Report Posted August 16, 2015 Bummer: Islamic Islamophobes. And graffiti in my home town! http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas-murray/2015/08/muslims-in-the-uk-are-now-attacking-mosques-does-that-make-them-islamophobic/ There have been tensions brewing between Shia and Sunni since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.....which oppressed everyone equally. After the fall, when Britain and France were carving up the Arab World, they did many stupid things which we have a legacy today: dividing Kurdish populations among four states instead of granting them an independent nation; and either deliberately or through omission, making sure that Shia's were kept from ruling themselves...even in countries where they formed the majority, like in Lebanon, Bahrain, Iraq and even in Iran, as the western-friendly Shah was believed to be trying to revive the ancient Persian religion of Zoroastrianism as part of his grand scheme of a new Persian Empire....and yet, back then the US was willing to sell Iran all of the weapons and nuclear technology they wanted to buy. Today, in the here and now, there has been an obvious secret war against the Shias financed and armed by Saudi Arabia, that attacks Shias all across the Middle East. And the US and Israel are as secretly as possible facilitating that war! So, with these and other sectarian wars going on in their homelands, should it be any surprise that it would show up in countries that they've emigrated to? Back in the 90's, even here in Ontario, there were incidents of vandalism involving Croatian and Serbian Orthodox churches occurring while that war in Yugoslavia was going on....can't say this surprises me any. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
Guest Posted August 16, 2015 Report Posted August 16, 2015 No, it's definitely not a surprise. The surprise is in people expecting any other outcome. Hence my post, in which the linked article expresses faux shock at the idea of Islamic Islamophobes outed as a result of graffiti on the walls of a Mosque after so many have been killed in sectarian violence. Quote
Mighty AC Posted September 1, 2015 Report Posted September 1, 2015 Carbon dating suggests early Quran is older than Muhammad "Some scholars believe, however, that Muhammad did not receive the Quran from heaven, as he claimed during his lifetime, but instead collected texts and scripts that fit his political agenda." Come on now...that's ridiculous. Next these liberal scholars will be telling us that Big Mo didn't ride off to the heavens on a winged horse either! These same egg heads probably think the earth is older than 10,000 years too. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Big Guy Posted September 1, 2015 Report Posted September 1, 2015 Carbon dating suggests early Quran is older than Muhammad "Some scholars believe, however, that Muhammad did not receive the Quran from heaven, as he claimed during his lifetime, but instead collected texts and scripts that fit his political agenda." Come on now...that's ridiculous. Next these liberal scholars will be telling us that Big Mo didn't ride off to the heavens on a winged horse either! These same egg heads probably think the earth is older than 10,000 years too. And that Jesus Christ was born to a virgin, that he rose from the dead. Those sillies probably believe in papal infallibility. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
MapleSteve Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 I've travelled to some Muslim countries. Some are more extreme than others. It all depends how serious they take their interpretation of Islam. In Pakistan for example. Non-Muslims are literally hunted down in the streets, beaten, gang raped in public, robbed, thrown in prison for blasphemy etc. simply because they are not considered human. Now, you'd think engaging in a sexual act even forced is against the religion, but, if one is a non-believer, it is "okay". Although some Islamic countries are moderate, I still wouldn't feel safe walking around displaying any other religious belief, being gay or an independent female. There is a clear problem with Islam and the lack of respect for those of a different belief for sure. But, if we did not have infastructure and police who will show up in minutes I'd imagine some religious extremists here would be doing similar. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 Why do you think the problem is with the religion and not other factors ? I think it's natural for humans to want to associate behaviours with 'groups' but it doesn't make sense all the time. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
waldo Posted January 20, 2016 Report Posted January 20, 2016 Nope. Saying it like it is . . please sir, the phobes have enough threads concurrently running right now! Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 20, 2016 Report Posted January 20, 2016 please sir, the phobes have enough threads concurrently running right now! Is name calling now acceptable at MLW? Or just when you do it? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
waldo Posted January 20, 2016 Report Posted January 20, 2016 Is name calling now acceptable at MLW? Or just when you do it? where's the name calling? phobe: denoting a person having a fear or dislike of what is specified . Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 20, 2016 Report Posted January 20, 2016 where's the name calling? phobe: denoting a person having a fear or dislike of what is specified . So I could collectively call you names and that would be fine? Excellent. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
waldo Posted January 20, 2016 Report Posted January 20, 2016 So I could collectively call you names and that would be fine? Excellent. your concern suggests your "name designation" is negatively interpreted... notwithstanding it wasn't applied to any individual member? When does an 'at large' neutral 'label' designation/attachment, a most properly and accurate stated label rise to the level of your personal affront to your negatively interpreted name call? as a for instance..... a quick MLW search reveals your liberal use of the apologist label, one you've applied quite frequently to individual members as well as in a collective manner. Now there certainly is a like neutral definition for the apologist label you frequent. Have you found raised concerns from anyone interpreting your apologist labeling in a negative 'name calling' manner? Quote
Shady Posted January 20, 2016 Report Posted January 20, 2016 This thread should probably be updated with all the goings on in Europe lately. Quote
Argus Posted January 21, 2016 Report Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) This thread should probably be updated with all the goings on in Europe lately. Europe? There was the hotel attack in Burkino Faso, the university attack in Pakistan, the Starbucks attack in Islamabad... Was there an attack in Europe last week? Doesn't really matter, wherever it happens it's our fault. Edited January 21, 2016 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Shady Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 Women forced to dress down now at refugee centres. http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/636372/Death-threats-harassment-German-workers-refugee-centre Quote
Guest Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 Above and beyond. This took a lot of courage. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/12116399/Muslim-doctor-and-sister-help-convict-Isil-supporters-after-confronting-them.html Quote
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