This week in Islam

[DogOnPorch]

57 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Mistreatment of trans people is not a defining difference between an identifiable group of immigrants and Canadians, to the point where we can just ban them from coming based on that.

 

Islam trumps gay rights is what you're saying. Understandable since you think Islam is a victim.

[DogOnPorch]

55 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Agreed.  It does not mean that.  

2. I overreached when I said "owned by".  How about "commanded by" ?  And because I slipped up on that, I gave you a chance to jump into the content of my example rather than the point which is that religion, as a marker, can identify likelihoods and trends but is not a way to mark absolute characteristics.  If it were, and if you really believed that then you wouldn't advocate for the immigration "values screening".  What would be the point ?  You could just ban Muslims. 

 

^ Never read the Quran but understands Islam better than you.

[GostHacked]

13 hours ago, Argus said:

It doesn't mean they are either. When just saying a transsexual is a man on twitter can bring police to your door the idea has gone wildly off the rails.

 

This is a strange time we live in withe the advent of societal permeated social media. It's very concerning to the point people are self censoring to not offend. Which means that many things that we all talk about would be kind of off limits.

 

[Michael Hardner]

9 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

It's very concerning to the point people are self censoring to not offend.  

I don't get it.  Didn't people 'self-censor' in the past ? In the pre-internet past, if you were at a mixed gathering, would you just blurt out anti-Muslim comments ?  I don't think people generally did this.  It's more "concerning" when people publicize a single crime by a Muslim and spread it nation-wide as implied evidence that Muslims need to be banned.

[Argus]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

 It's more "concerning" when people publicize a single crime by a Muslim and spread it nation-wide as implied evidence that Muslims need to be banned.

That's an interesting and ironic commentary from a guy who fixates on a single occasion of anti-Muslim violence to campaign for the end of freedom of speech because 'the alt-right', whatever the hell they are, are growing exponentially and about to take over the world.

There's no need to publicize a single crime by a Muslim as they occur daily.

Edited April 7, 2019 by Argus

[Michael Hardner]

5 hours ago, Argus said:

1. That's an interesting and ironic commentary from a guy who fixates on a single occasion of anti-Muslim violence to campaign for the end of freedom of speech because 'the alt-right', whatever the hell they are, are growing exponentially and about to take over the world.

2. There's no need to publicize a single crime by a Muslim as they occur daily.

1. I should say ... a "single" event on the scale of a mass-murder is not what I'm talking about.  I don't think we should be ignoring the Mohamed Attas or André Bissonettes of the world.  But that's not what I'm talking about.

2. And yet The Rebel finds it necessary to make a national story out of a Syrian refugee who get into fights in the schoolyard.  Hmm.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I should say ... a "single" event on the scale of a mass-murder is not what I'm talking about.  I don't think we should be ignoring the Mohamed Attas or André Bissonettes of the world.  But that's not what I'm talking about.

Nor are we. And you DO think we should ignore them by shutting off their voice - so we can ignore them.

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. And yet The Rebel finds it necessary to make a national story out of a Syrian refugee who get into fights in the schoolyard.  Hmm.

I don't know why you think I should answer for The Rebel, a web site I do not own nor visit.  

[Michael Hardner]

19 minutes ago, Argus said:

1. you DO think we should ignore them by shutting off their voice - so we can ignore them.

2. I don't know why you think I should answer for The Rebel, a web site I do not own nor visit.  

1. Thanks for telling me what I think... incorrectly.

2. I'm just defending my point.  You can walk away, drop it etc.

[Argus]

16 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Thanks for telling me what I think... incorrectly.

2. I'm just defending my point.  You can walk away, drop it etc.

I'm confused about what point you think you're defending.

[Argus]

What a shit show Muslm countries are. You couldn't pay me enough to get me near one.

In Indonesia, a Buddhist woman complained to 'a member of the public' that the loudspeaker on the mosque nearby was too loud. She just got sentenced to 18 months in prison.

Indonesian woman jailed for complaining mosque was too loud

A British woman was arrested at the Dubai airport, leaving her 14 year old daughter alone, because a few years ago she insulted her husband's new wife on Facebook - while in the UK, called her a horse face. Now she faces 2 years in prison.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47847740

 

[Owly]

15 minutes ago, Argus said:

What a shit show Muslm countries are. You couldn't pay me enough to get me near one.

In Indonesia, a Buddhist woman complained to 'a member of the public' that the loudspeaker on the mosque nearby was too loud. She just got sentenced to 18 months in prison.

Indonesian woman jailed for complaining mosque was too loud

A British woman was arrested at the Dubai airport, leaving her 14 year old daughter alone, because a few years ago she insulted her husband's new wife on Facebook - while in the UK, called her a horse face. Now she faces 2 years in prison.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47847740

 

And a man named Albert Woodfox spent almost 44 years in solitary confinement for a murder he didn't commit...in the United States Angola prison. Do ya think it may have had something to do with the fact he is Black? No need to focus on brown people countries to find frailties in legal systems.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, Owly said:

And a man named Albert Woodfox spent almost 44 years in solitary confinement for a murder he didn't commit...in the United States Angola prison. Do ya think it may have had something to do with the fact he is Black? No need to focus on brown people countries to find frailties in legal systems.

Yeah, cuz that's EXACTLY the same..

Except NO, it's not. People get convicted for crimes they didn't commit all the time in every country - though less in the West where we're more careful. If you're looking for a comparable situation it would be if he was Muslim and complained about the sound a church bell made in the US, and consequently mobs of white people burned a bunch of mosques while the government arrested him and sentenced him to prison for blaspheming against Christianity.

So no, there isn't any comparable situation.

[WestCanMan]

On 4/8/2019 at 1:50 PM, Owly said:

And a man named Albert Woodfox spent almost 44 years in solitary confinement for a murder he didn't commit...in the United States Angola prison. Do ya think it may have had something to do with the fact he is Black? No need to focus on brown people countries to find frailties in legal systems.

What a stupid reply. You should be ashamed of yourself.

One person was erroneously found guilty and you randomly assign blame to racism with no proof whatsoever, and you are drawing a direct comparison to a person who was actually locked up for a very specific and plainly-stated reason which is based purely on religious bigotry? That's realistic to you? LMAO.

Do you get that your own story only has the credibility of "random accusation made by an anonymous internet poster" and the other one is an established fact? 

[WestCanMan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_March_2019

There were 171 terrorist attacks in March of this year. On an average month there are usually only about 150.

There were about 850 killed, including the 50 in Christchurch. 150 of the people killed were fulani herdsmen, but that topic isn't really covered here so I don't really know what to say about that.

I don't know exactly how many of the total amount were by muslims but it's usually over 95%. al shabab, al qaeda, islamic state, boko haram, abu sayyef, palestinian nationalists and the taliban are the main ones. This march the % of kills by muslims would have been lower than usual because of the attack in christchurch.

[Michael Hardner]

This week in anti-Islam terrorists... I think these articles can go here.  There are a lot of them:

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/26/us/california-sunnyvale-crash-suspect/index.html

 

 

(CNN)The driver accused of intentionally hitting a group of pedestrians in Northern Californiaattacked people he believed they were of the Muslim faith, police said. Sunnyvale Police Chief Phan Ngo said Isaiah Joel Peoples also targeted the crowd based on race.

[Guest]

36 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

This week in anti-Islam terrorists... I think these articles can go here.  There are a lot of them:

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/26/us/california-sunnyvale-crash-suspect/index.html

 

 

(CNN)The driver accused of intentionally hitting a group of pedestrians in Northern Californiaattacked people he believed they were of the Muslim faith, police said. Sunnyvale Police Chief Phan Ngo said Isaiah Joel Peoples also targeted the crowd based on race.

You think people who find Islam a disgusting and oppressive religion are okay with stuff like this don't you?

That's about as likely as you being okay with Islamic terrorism.

By all means post them here.  Another thread might be better, as they will get a bit overwhelmed in here if there is really a tit for tat situation developing.

Rolls eyes.

Edited April 26, 2019 by bcsapper
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from trying to go one up - Not Blaise Pascal

[OftenWrong]

What we need are This Week in Islams showing Muslims are fighting the Islamic terrorists, and developing strategies to counter the spread of Islamic fundamentalist ideology. But they don't

[DogOnPorch]

10 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

What we need are This Week in Islams showing Muslims are fighting the Islamic terrorists, and developing strategies to counter the spread of Islamic fundamentalist ideology. But they don't

 

Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords.

---Big Mo

Sahih-Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 73

[Michael Hardner]

On 4/7/2019 at 12:42 PM, Argus said:

That's an interesting and ironic commentary from a guy who fixates on a single occasion of anti-Muslim violence to campaign for the end of freedom of speech because 'the alt-right', whatever the hell they are, are growing exponentially and about to take over the world.

There's no need to publicize a single crime by a Muslim as they occur daily.

So much hyperbole, it's almost like you can't argue against me without it.

[DogOnPorch]

hyperbole...

[GostHacked]

On 4/26/2019 at 7:46 PM, DogOnPorch said:

hyperbole...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2015/10/02/u-s-deaths-from-gun-violence-and-terrorism-in-comparison-infograpic/#5cff2446133b

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2015/10/02/u-s-deaths-from-gun-violence-and-terrorism-in-comparison-infograpic/#5cff2446133b

Irrelevance...

[GostHacked]

20 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Irrelevance...

Total relevance.  It's called perspective.

Meaning if you add all that up  over 125,000 US citizens have died over the past 10-15 years from gun violence in the USA.  That is more than 4x the number Dog threw out regarding deaths from Islamic terrorism for about the same time period.

Edited April 29, 2019 by GostHacked

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Total relevance.  It's called perspective.

Meaning if you add all that up  over 125,000 US citizens have died over the past 10-15 years from gun violence in the USA.  That is more than 4x the number Dog threw out regarding deaths from Islamic terrorism for about the same time period.

Like I said, irrelevant.  Add up all the deaths from disease if you want.

[GostHacked]

2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Like I said, irrelevant.  Add up all the deaths from disease if you want.

Right, because the one nation that complains about Islamic terrorism the most has 4x more deaths from gun violence than Islamic terrorism.  But that is another perspective with diseases.  IT does kill a lot more people, but we don't seem to treat it the same way or with the same importance that is places on Islamic terrorism.

How many Iraqis died because of sanctions on Iraq between 1995 and 2005?

It's a mater of perspective. Some posters here THINK Islamic terrorism is the only thing going on.  While it is a big deal but there are more immediate pressing issues are causing way more problems.