Moderating Mapleafweb's Moderation

[Argus]

But you are judging people's intellect and throwing out insults based on your judgement. Do you not see the problem?

We ALL judge people based on our perception of them, which in turn is based on their behaviour. I see no way around that.

What the moderation has always tried to do here is to prevent people from insulting each other, not, I think, to soothe egos, but because when you insult people it disrupts the flow of the discussion and derails it from the topic at hand to back and forth insults. That is why it's so odd the moderators didn't delete his original message before it derailed the flow of discussion, or even after it was obvious that was what it was doing.

And I don't throw out insults because it's against the rules. I admit I bend the rules on occasion, especially when dealing with people who insult me, but as I've also said, I'm not the 'turn the other cheek' kind of person. And you openly insult people too, so don't play innocent.

Edited August 13, 2016 by Argus

[Argus]

The "folks" to whom I am referring are the racists. If you are not one then ignore it and move on.

You stated openly that anyone who opposed segregating swimming classes was a racist akin to Nazis and the KKK.

It was a badly absurdly unjustified insult cast on everyone who had a problem with altering the swim classes to suit Muslims, and derailed the topic of conversation.

[Big Guy]

You stated openly that anyone who opposed segregating swimming classes was a racist akin to Nazis and the KKK.

It was a badly absurdly unjustified insult cast on everyone who had a problem with altering the swim classes to suit Muslims, and derailed the topic of conversation.

The "folks" to whom I am referring and will continue to refer to are the racists. If you are not one then ignore it and move on.

[Argus]

The "folks" to whom I am referring and will continue to refer to are the racists. If you are not one then ignore it and move on.

But I oppose switching the co-ed class to a segregated class. Since you state everyone who opposes it is a racist you are insulting me. Why should I not insult you back? That is, after all, human nature.

[dialamah]

Perhaps you're not interested in civil discourse, but I am. I don't bait people, and my 'indignation' is more a matter of irritation when people show themselves so lacking in the ability to discuss things intelligently they resort to pathetic insults.

Laughable when every post you make includes an insult to anyone you consider a "leftie" in your signature. You espouse personal responsibility, but take none for yourself.

[betsy]

The "folks" to whom I am referring and will continue to refer to are the racists. If you are not one then ignore it and move on.

Do you refer to yourself? Do you now see yourself as racist?

After all, your view is prejudiced against Muslim women.

[Argus]

Laughable when every post you make includes an insult to anyone you consider a "leftie" in your signature. You espouse personal responsibility, but take none for yourself.

My signature merely points out the irony of those who consider themselves open-minded but in reality are anything but. Maybe if you were more open-minded you'd understand.

[Charles Anthony]

Why should I not insult you back?

-- because insulting people is against the forum rules and guidelines.

That does not matter.

If you do not like a post, ignore it.

Why?

-- because there is no reason to bring a post to moderator attention if you respond to the post.

SIMPLE RULE OF THUMB: If you want mod staff to delete posted material, do not give mod staff more to delete than necessary.

I did ignore it. That didn't stop it from derailing the topic into back and forth insults.

Please report any more instances of trolling and ignore them too.

That does not matter? Are you saying there is no longer going to be any moderation here?

No. That is not what I am saying.

That if people deliberately derail topics into insults, well, you're fine with that?

No. We are not fine with the deliberate derailment of threads.

I am saying that the answer to your question does not matter because it would not make an actionable difference.

If you encounter trolling, report it and ignore it.

If everybody ignores it then there is no need for moderator intervention.

Why is this so complicated??

Not everybody is insulted by being called a racist. Calling somebody racist does not automatically spell the derailment of a discussion.

[Argus]

Please report any more instances of trolling and ignore them too.

Why? If you're not going to do anything about it what's the point?

If everybody ignores it then there is no need for moderator intervention.

Why is this so complicated??

Oh please. That's like saying if everyone obeyed traffic rules there'd be no need of police patrols, but we know everyone won't.

Not everybody is insulted by being called a racist.

Really? I don't believe I've ever encountered anyone who isn't insulted by being called a racist. Maybe there are a few, but I would wager 95% of people most definitely ARE insulted. Perhaps there are people not insulted by being called a moron, but that doesn't make it any less a pejorative term.

Calling somebody racist does not automatically spell the derailment of a discussion.

When has it not? It certainly did in this case.

Edited August 13, 2016 by Argus

[?Impact]

that doesn't make it any less a pejorative term.

Lot's of terms are thrown around as pejoratives: leftie, socialist, commie, pinko, etc. My favourite is progressive, because you can feel them expectorate to accompany it.

[TimG]

Lot's of terms are thrown around as pejoratives: leftie, socialist, commie, pinko, etc. My favourite is progressive, because you can feel them expectorate to accompany it.

Ok. So what word should be used to describe the group of people which 'progressive' political opinions who don't always support the same political party? I thought progressive was the most neutral way to refer to that group of people.

[dialamah]

Ok. So what word should be used to describe the group of people which 'progressive' political opinions who don't always support the same political party? I thought progressive was the most neutral way to refer to that group of people.

I think it depends on how much 'sneer' is put into whatever term you are using. Saying "progressive ideology means more social welfare, and conservative ideology means less" is different than saying "progressives never think about spending other people's money because they're all shiftless lazy bums, looking for handouts; only conservatives are financially responsible and willing to work for what they have".

Anyway, it's good to know that you intend neutrality when you use the term progressive. I'll have to remember that, in case I feel slighted by seeing that in one of your posts.

Edited August 13, 2016 by dialamah

[Argus]

Lot's of terms are thrown around as pejoratives: leftie, socialist, commie, pinko, etc. My favourite is progressive, because you can feel them expectorate to accompany it.

Progressive is a pejorative? Don't lots and lots of people willingly call themselves progressives? Don't you? Aren't their political parties that call themselves Socialist? And leftie is also simply a description, not an insult. Who gets insulted by being called a leftie anyway? You're really stretching.

Besides, the case under discussion would be like someone screaming that you're a progressive because you brushed your teeth this morning.

Edited August 13, 2016 by Argus

[Argus]

I think it depends on how much 'sneer' is put into whatever term you are using.

If sneering were against the rules Waldo would have been banned long ago.

Come to that, where IS Waldo anyway?

[dialamah]

If sneering were against the rules Waldo would have been banned long ago.

I'm sure he's not the only one.

[cybercoma]

Lot's of terms are thrown around as pejoratives: leftie, socialist, commie, pinko, etc. My favourite is progressive, because you can feel them expectorate to accompany it.

Not "progressive" but "SJWs!" *spit spit* Edited August 13, 2016 by cybercoma

[Charles Anthony]

Please report any more instances of trolling and ignore them too.

Why? If you're not going to do anything about it what's the point?

--- because sometimes you are right and we do something about it.

Ok. So what word should be used to describe the group of people which 'progressive' political opinions who don't always support the same political party? I thought progressive was the most neutral way to refer to that group of people.

It does not matter what word you use.

I know, you know, he knows, she knows, we all know whatever label you use will be vague and or miscontrued.

Far be it for me to tell you guys how to communicate but if you insist upon pigeon-holing folks, then you are going to have to link to an intelligent definition every time lest you be misunderstood.

[Bryan]

Not everybody is insulted by being called a racist.

Virtually everyone is. I've never met anyone who would not be offended by such an inflammatory accusation.

Edited August 13, 2016 by Bryan

[Big Guy]

racist - a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

[eyeball]

Or inferior. Tomato and tomahto both work.

[betsy]

racist - a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Your stance is to support the Muslim view that women are inferior to men, and you support the indoctrination of girls and segregation of Muslim women.

Your prejudice is only for Muslim women. It fits the description you gave. Would you describe yourself, racist?

Edited August 14, 2016 by betsy

[cybercoma]

Your stance is make up positions for people because you're unwilling or incapable of arguing against their actual positions.

[betsy]

Your stance is make up positions for people because you're unwilling or incapable of arguing against their actual positions.

Your opinion suggest you incapable of understanding what you read.

I don't know how you can say I'm incapable of arguing against Big Guy's actual position when I've done exactly that!

I even explained it in the simplest way I can, including supporting my arguments with factual information about Islam.

There is a serious reason behind Muslim segregation of men and women! It's not as innocent as what ignorant folks think!

Edited August 14, 2016 by betsy

[Michael Hardner]

Virtually everyone is. I've never met anyone who would not be offended by such an inflammatory accusation.

There are indeed posters who admit to being racist, and they represent the exception to the "racist = insult rule". It's still a derailment if you bring that term into the discussion where it doesn't belong but an admitted racist can be called a racist without insulting them.

[Argus]

racist - a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

That's interesting. How does that jive with your statement that anyone who opposes segregating swimming by gender is a racist?