Moderating Mapleafweb's Moderation

[?Impact]

What is worse:

A) Spoiler

2) Deleting the spoiler

c) Huge reaction to the deletion of the spoiler

[bush_cheney2004]

Seconded...........may the lord of the thrones have mercy on our wretched souls.

...and Lord, please let us know if this applies to Pornhub content too. Thanks !

[waldo]

Context........its a fantasy tv show. People getting bent out of shape, and I've only seen several people do as much, is only part of the issue......which when played out, results in a moderator taking action against a member because of a fantasy tv show.

you can continue to act the azzhole and justify your azzholiness by demeaning people for having an interest in a show you feel validated by simply dismissing it as nothing more than a "fantasy tv" show. No one has the right to purposely ruin something for others and have you weasel in and belittle them for having that interest.

.

[bush_cheney2004]

Why would a stupid 'Murican sex and swords fantasy drama be so revered in Canada anyway ? Warning: spoilers in the wiki link.

Game of Thrones is an American fantasy drama television series created by David Benioff and D. B. Weiss. It is an adaptation of A Song of Ice and Fire, George R. R. Martin's series of fantasy novels, the first of which is titled A Game of Thrones. It is filmed at Titanic Studios in Belfast and on location elsewhere in Northern Ireland as well as in Croatia, Iceland, Malta, Morocco, Spain, Scotland, and the United States, and premiered on HBO in the United States on April 17, 2011.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_Thrones

[waldo]

Why would a stupid 'Murican sex and swords fantasy drama be so revered in Canada anyway?

and there it is... it took you a while, but you got there!

.

[Derek 2.0]

you can continue to act the azzhole and justify your azzholiness by demeaning people for having an interest in a show you feel validated by simply dismissing it as nothing more than a "fantasy tv" show. No one has the right to purposely ruin something for others and have you weasel in and belittle them for having that interest.

.

I'm not belittling anyone's choice of tv programs.......whatever floats ones boat......I'm pointing out and adding context to moderator action over a tv show spoiler.

[waldo]

I'm not belittling anyone's choice of tv programs.......whatever floats ones boat......I'm pointing out and adding context to moderator action over a tv show spoiler.

you absolutely are belittling... demeaning persons with an interest in that show. Would you like your related posts quoted for you? The only thing you're adding to the MLW Facilitator's action is your like belittling, your like demeaning. The role is there, the reaction was taken per the role... the proper reaction was taken per the improper initial (spoiler) action.

.

[Derek 2.0]

you absolutely are belittling...

......of people that overreact to a tv show.

[GostHacked]

I find it funny that the person bitching about the removal of a spoiler post is trolling this part of the forum while acting like a child.

For some reason I have more faith in Kimmy to resolve this issue.

[kimmy]

......of people that overreact to a tv show.

And you're over-reacting to my removal of a 5-word long status update. Shady wasn't punished, wasn't given time off, wasn't given warning points. He received a polite explanation and a polite request to take it to the thread in the Arts and Culture forum. How is that an over-reaction?

I think your scoffing remarks that "it's just a show about wizards and dragons" might carry more weight coming from a guy who wasn't such an avid fan of shows about Mad Max and Jedi Knights and zombies. The term "spoiler" isn't "spoiler" by accident. It's a courtesy that goes back longer than the internet and longer than television. For as long as there have been books, it has been considered rude to give away the ending to somebody who's still reading it.

From the reaction this has received, one would think this is the first time somebody's content was removed from the forum. "Over-reach!" "Abuse of power!" "Power trip!" That's BS. More worthwhile content gets removed for more dubious reasons all the time.

This was an easy call, and I promise that I'll do the same in the future if required. Any who are unhappy with that can either "speak to the manager", or take their business elsewhere. That's all you'll get from me on this.

-k

[GostHacked]

Kimmy

I don't know if this board has the options for spoilers. Meaning hidden text behind a black bar, in which someone needs to highlight or click to view the spoilers. I recall this being an option on a site called ShackNews back in the day. Many got the banhammer for not using it.

Check if the board software/config can handle it.

[Boges]

I think people who over-react to spoilers feed into this victim culture. I'm being serious. The onus is on other people to allow me to keep my head in the sand and not know what happens in a show I care about.

Game of Thrones and Walking Dead, I try my best to watch new episodes of both those shows before I go to sleep Sunday night and avoid all connections to the outside world. Any other show, who cares.

That being said, putting a spoiler on the status updates of a Canadian political board serves only to make people upset. It's a dick move, and so is melting down when admin removes it.

Member "You know that Men's rights guy with random letters, I think you guys call him Eruler" Posted the Hold the Door = Hodor Spoiler before the episode even aired. That's a douche move but it didn't click in until I noticed I had seen "Hold the Door" before that day when I ended up seeing it in the show.

Kimmy can do what she wants and BC2004 and Shady are being way to sensitive.

Edited June 6, 2016 by Boges

[Argus]

No it isn't....deleting that status update was an overreach and abuse of power.

I have put considerable thought into this issue, especially considering the towering importance and impact of the posting deleted. After solemnly contemplating a variety of appropriate responses I have decided to go with: Meh.

Edited June 6, 2016 by Argus

[Guest]

If we're forced to choose, I'm with the establishment on this one.

[BC_chick]

I'm still mad at the 5 year old who, back in 2001,blurted that princess Fiona is an ogre.

Them's fighting words. Shady got off easy.

[Big Guy]

At one time I was a Coronation Street fan. The Internet was just beginning to become popular and one could find an on-line site that gave written summaries of each episode. The site was based in England and the English programs ran about 2 months before they appeared in Canada. I used to read the summaries and it did not bother me at all. My bride on the other hand, wanted no part of finding out what will occur in the plot.

Kimmy appears to have assumed the responsibility for protecting those who do not want to know an ending from being "forced" to find out through subterfuge or some poster so excited by getting information not available to all, that he wanted the prestige of telling everybody. Is Kimmy protecting Shady from a storm of criticism or protecting those in the small circle who know what this fantasy thing is?

Is that a role for a moderator? What about those who wanted to know?

I suggest that Shady might have posted "want to know ..... then go to ........" then it would have given the reader a choice.

Mods have a tough job. They have rightly deleted a number of my posts which ridiculed and ripped the hide off a particularly irritable poster. I now have enough warning points to cover the numbers on a clock. Does the "spoiler" warrant a warning point?

I am looking forward to the next time a mod removes a "spoiler" and then we can have this discussion once more.

BTW - Spoiler alert - Mass shooting in the USA, flooding in the world, trailer camp destroyed by tornado, earthquake in South America and MLW member upset over moderators actions.

[GostHacked]

I am also surprised that Shady's last status update was not removed. It has a foul word that usually warrants a post removal or suspension.

The spoiler is removed but the profanity one remains .. hmm..

[Michael Hardner]

I am also surprised that Shady's last status update was not removed.

It wasn't reported so it's not surprising at all.

[GostHacked]

It wasn't reported so it's not surprising at all.

Actually it is, considering you've removed some of my posts that were not reported and did not have profanity in it...... And the status update is ON THE MAIN PAGE.. how the hell did you miss that?

And you cannot report a status update from the status updates.

Edited June 6, 2016 by GostHacked

[Argus]

I am also surprised that Shady's last status update was not removed. It has a foul word that usually warrants a post removal or suspension.

The spoiler is removed but the profanity one remains .. hmm..

Why do we even care about profanity? You know, during that fracas over the elbow thing in parliament I read in several newspapers, the Globe, the Post, that Trudeau was alleged to have said, "get the f*ck out of the way" and there were no asterixes to hide the profanity. I have read other profanity in mainstream newspapers of late, as people's words are reported verbatim, and quoted both in news articles and columns. Why do we have a higher standards than the mainstream news media?

[GostHacked]

Why do we even care about profanity? You know, during that fracas over the elbow thing in parliament I read in several newspapers, the Globe, the Post, that Trudeau was alleged to have said, "get the f*ck out of the way" and there were no asterixes to hide the profanity. I have read other profanity in mainstream newspapers of late, as people's words are reported verbatim, and quoted both in news articles and columns. Why do we have a higher standards than the mainstream news media?

Profanity, like trolling and thread drift is against the rules here. Profanity is really not needed to properly express a point.

And yes we should have a higher standard if the media seems to not have any. More than not, the low road is taken and then we get locked threads. We are all collectively to blame for the degradation of the forum when we don't have some basic standards.

Now I will say that if a quote includes profanity from an article, then I would not consider that against the rules as it is a direct quote.

[Michael Hardner]

Actually it is, considering you've removed some of my posts that were not reported and did not have profanity in it......

I'm sincerely trying to understand you here, please bear with me.

If something is reported it may not be seen. We go back to this again and again. It is so obvious to me but even long time posters like you don't seem to get it.

We TRY to look at everything but we don't see it. If you report it then we will see it.

I didn't SEE the profanity you mentioned in the one case, and in the other case I did see it. If you had reported the profanity then it would guarantee that the mods would see it.

And the status update is ON THE MAIN PAGE.. how the hell did you miss that?

I basically never go to the main page.

And you cannot report a status update from the status updates.

We get reports on status updates all the time - perhaps they report the user and say "so-and-so... status update says "[cut and paste]"

[?Impact]

It has a foul word that usually warrants a post removal or suspension.

I was wondering that as well, but checked out the 'Forum Rules and Guidelines' (link at bottom of page), and could not find out what rule it violated.

[GostHacked]

I'm sincerely trying to understand you here, please bear with me.

If something is reported it may not be seen. We go back to this again and again. It is so obvious to me but even long time posters like you don't seem to get it.

We TRY to look at everything but we don't see it. If you report it then we will see it.

I didn't SEE the profanity you mentioned in the one case, and in the other case I did see it. If you had reported the profanity then it would guarantee that the mods would see it.

I basically never go to the main page.

Let me explain more for you :

There have been times where you have removed my posts. Posts that were NOT reported in any way.

There have been posts I have reported, only to have both you and CA say 'no biggie' and leave the posts up.

So to say that it needs to be reported for you to take action seems to fly in the face of your claim and previous actions of removing posts without anyone reporting them.

Then there is this on the MAIN PAGE (which you should be going to as a moderator) and is easily seen, but you failed to remove the posts.

The inconsistency you and CA both have towards classifying offending posts, is really getting tiring. Both you and CA say obvious trolling is obvious, yet when obvious trolling is reported, both of you decide it is within the forum rules and let it slide.

Your inconsistency in your moderation is causing the confusion, by allowing some posters to get away with it, while going hard after others for things that are borderline or not an issue at all. So you can expect this to continue until you get some kind of consistency down.

Yeah, I am calling you out on it.

[Argus]

Let me explain more for you :

There have been times where you have removed my posts. Posts that were NOT reported in any way.

How do you know whether one of your deleted posts was reported or not?

Besides, they read the topics, maybe not every post, but lots of them. If they come across a post they think should be deleted, they do so.

I'm confused about why you're confused about the obvious.