GostHacked Posted June 3, 2016 Report Posted June 3, 2016 I saw that other thread got locked today, and had a little giggle to myself.
msj Posted June 4, 2016 Report Posted June 4, 2016 I noticed that Argus and others managed to sabotage the Conservative Leadership thread and get it locked down. It would be more appropriate to delete their off-topic posts and/or suspend them for a few days rather than constantly closing down an otherwise interesting thread. A pity to start afresh thanks to their sabotage. If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Argus Posted June 5, 2016 Author Report Posted June 5, 2016 I noticed that Argus and others managed to sabotage the Conservative Leadership thread and get it locked down. It would be more appropriate to delete their off-topic posts and/or suspend them for a few days rather than constantly closing down an otherwise interesting thread. A pity to start afresh thanks to their sabotage. But then all anyone would have left to read is - you - and the place would close down. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Bryan Posted June 5, 2016 Report Posted June 5, 2016 It would be more appropriate to delete their off-topic posts and/or suspend them for a few days rather than constantly closing down an otherwise interesting thread. Even more appropriate, the mods should stop acting like supreme assholes locking threads all over the place. People are having a conversation, let them. If it's not what YOU want to talk about, then don't.
Argus Posted June 5, 2016 Author Report Posted June 5, 2016 Even more appropriate, the mods should stop acting like supreme assholes locking threads all over the place. People are having a conversation, let them. If it's not what YOU want to talk about, then don't. To be fair, that topic had degenerated to the point not one in ten posts was actually ON the topic, and most were personal attacks. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Bryan Posted June 5, 2016 Report Posted June 5, 2016 To be fair, that topic had degenerated to the point not one in ten posts was actually ON the topic, and most were personal attacks. It had evolved into other sub-topics, but there was plenty of civil conversation still going on. There was no rational reason to lock it down.
msj Posted June 5, 2016 Report Posted June 5, 2016 Even more appropriate, the mods should stop acting like supreme assholes locking threads all over the place. People are having a conversation, let them. If it's not what YOU want to talk about, then don't. If the mods want topics to stay on topic then they should delete offending posts. You wanna talk about something else? Create a new thread and discuss it. No one is stopping you. But I'm tired of certain members sabotaging threads without any consequences. If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Bryan Posted June 5, 2016 Report Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) If the mods want topics to stay on topic then they should delete offending posts. The mods should f-- off and let the conversation go where it goes. I've never seen another forum where mods or members have a stick up their asses about this. You wanna talk about something else? Create a new thread and discuss it. No one is stopping you. It's not a question of wanting to start a separate conversation. It's about participating in a conversation already in progress that naturally evolves as it progresses. Edited June 5, 2016 by Bryan
BC_chick Posted June 5, 2016 Report Posted June 5, 2016 But I'm tired of certain members sabotaging threads without any consequences. Without consequence? He locked it! Not even a #StopThreadDrift. That's a pretty much the opposite of inconsequential. Almost every thread has thread drifts to some level. You've done it too, we all do. But apparently locking the thread instead of moderating it isn't nazi enough, we need to start suspending too?? For a thread-drift?!? Are you for real? It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
waldo Posted June 5, 2016 Report Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) But apparently locking the thread instead of moderating it isn't nazi enough how "nazi" is it... say on a scale of 1-to-10? And yes, per MLW member msj, hide posts off-topic rather than lock a thread. The 'lock a thread, try again, create a new thread' just loses continuity and relevant/meaningful contributions. If nothing else, "StopThreadDrift" does seem to get members attention to reign in the off-thread banter. . Edited June 5, 2016 by waldo
msj Posted June 5, 2016 Report Posted June 5, 2016 Sorry, what I mean is that locking the thread punishes those who want to discuss/read the topic of the thread. Yes, it may punish those who sabotage it with excessive thread drift by stopping it all together. But excessive thread drift should be moderated by deleting those posts outright. If it gets to the point where certain members are doing it on a regular and obnoxious basis (which imo argus and BC have created a new art form of) then the suspensions become necessary. Yes, I know we are supposed to do a better job of regulating ourselves by ignoring thread drift and trolling and insults and stuff. But it is obvious that threads are being locked down for little good reason. So either don't lock them down as an admission that the moderation here is as big of a failure as many of us think it is or actually prevent thread drift by actually deleting posts and forcing us to abide by the rules. If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
BC_chick Posted June 5, 2016 Report Posted June 5, 2016 I knew it was acthread drift. I apologized to the CA on the thread and I was anticipating the posts to be deleted. When Argus continued throwing hooey about paying more than than CRA stipulated you're right I should've let it go, but faced with complete hooey I couldn't not not call his BS. Guilty as charged. But to say I do this on a regular basis as 'an art form' is very disingenuous. I try and stop thread drifts all the time when people drag me into them and even there I tried even though the stubborn streak in me got he best of me. Stuff happens but now you're just outright lying. 'Shocking' from a guy who think that deserved a suspension. And Waldo, don't skip half my sentence. The locking wasn't my complaint there. Context matters. It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
msj Posted June 5, 2016 Report Posted June 5, 2016 I have not said you take it to an art form. BC and argus seem to be the resident artists at MLF. If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
BC_chick Posted June 5, 2016 Report Posted June 5, 2016 Oh that BC. Sorry I thought you meant me. It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Argus Posted June 5, 2016 Author Report Posted June 5, 2016 I have not said you take it to an art form. BC and argus seem to be the resident artists at MLF. I'm perfectly capable of speaking on topic without resorting to personal attacks. Your obvious anger is simply because you lack that capability yourself. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 5, 2016 Author Report Posted June 5, 2016 I knew it was acthread drift. I apologized to the CA on the thread and I was anticipating the posts to be deleted. When Argus continued throwing hooey about paying more than than CRA stipulated you're right I should've let it go, but faced with complete hooey I couldn't not not call his BS. Except I demonstrated it wasn't hooey. But regardless, that was a sub-topic related to a personal attack on me from bigguy and I was simply defending myself. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 5, 2016 Author Report Posted June 5, 2016 Sorry, what I mean is that locking the thread punishes those who want to discuss/read the topic of the thread. How? I started another one immediately and so far almost all posts are on topic. Besides, what you bitching about anyway? You weren't even in that topic. I looked back two months and didn't see a single post from you -- unless it was under a different name, of course. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
msj Posted June 5, 2016 Report Posted June 5, 2016 Just because one does not post does not mean one is not reading the thread about the CPC leadership contest which is not the same thing as the new thread you started. Some of us read (listen) more than we write (talk) hence the old expression: most have two ears and one mouth so we should listen more than we say...." If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Argus Posted June 5, 2016 Author Report Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) Just because one does not post does not mean one is not reading the thread about the CPC leadership contest which is not the same thing as the new thread you started. The old thread was specifically on the new leader, but most of the postings were not on that topic, but more general. The new one is on the leader and direction, which will allow a broader discussion without drawing reminders to stop thread drift. Some of us read (listen) more than we write (talk) hence the old expression: most have two ears and one mouth so we should listen more than we say...." Well given the topic has been around for some months now, through dozens of pages, you clearly didn't feel you had anything to contribute anyway. So what's the problem? Edited June 5, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
BC_chick Posted June 5, 2016 Report Posted June 5, 2016 Waldo brought by Kenney's disdain of public schools, BG made a joke about it being because of evolution (a little less off topic but still about Kenney) and you went on a rant about teachers. That's how the thread went sideways. Until then, no it was all about potential CPC leaders. It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Argus Posted June 5, 2016 Author Report Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) Waldo brought by Kenney's disdain of public schools, BG made a joke about it being because of evolution (a little less off topic but still about Kenney) and you went on a rant about teachers. That's how the thread went sideways. Until then, no it was all about potential CPC leaders. BG said Kenney was against teachers or somesuch, and brought up the old leftist sneer that conservatives are religious fanatics. I said it was most likely because of the failure that is teaching. Regardless, most of the discussion had played out given only secondary players are in the game and the big boys have not yet declared, so we'd already seen several "STOP THREAD DRIFT" warnings in the last month. Edited June 5, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
BC_chick Posted June 5, 2016 Report Posted June 5, 2016 Btw I agree with msj on this issue, I didn't post on that thread either but I read it in a regular basis. With the NDP and CPC leaderless, and me not being too crazy about JT, the next election is a total wild card for me. I'm following the direction of both parties with interest. It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Argus Posted June 5, 2016 Author Report Posted June 5, 2016 Btw I agree with msj on this issue, I didn't post on that thread either but I read it in a regular basis. With the NDP and CPC leaderless, and me not being too crazy about JT, the next election is a total wild card for me. I'm following the direction of both parties with interest. Then I'm sure the two of you will be pleased to go back to lurking in the new discussion topic. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Posted June 5, 2016 I have not said you take it to an art form. BC and argus seem to be the resident artists at MLF. So your contribution to this thread are more personal attacks on other members ? Interesting.... Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted June 5, 2016 Report Posted June 5, 2016 If the mods want topics to stay on topic then they should delete offending posts. You wanna talk about something else? Create a new thread and discuss it. No one is stopping you. But I'm tired of certain members sabotaging threads without any consequences. I'm with you. Individual posts should be dealt with. Locking down an entire thread should be a last resort. But the latter actually takes some work.
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