Moderating Mapleafweb's Moderation

[WestCoastRunner]

Perhaps. I try not to. I sometimes react to people's attitude towards things I believe in - though I should even then remain polite. Then too, I'm a very fast typist and a very fast reader, and if I've just responded to a string of snotty, insulting posts with my own comebacks it can be easy to fall into a pattern even if I'm dealing with a different person.

I am one of those who believe there is little point in a discussion forum if everyone agrees with me. I never did go in much for Free Dominion, for example, and can't for the life of me understand why anyone would bother with Rabble. If all the lefties disappeared from here it would be pretty boring (and I don't consider lefty to be a pejorative, so much as handy term).

Wtf is wrong with you people.

[BC_chick]

Wtf is wrong with you people.

Are you feeling ok? What was wrong with what he said?

Edited April 2, 2016 by BC_chick

[cybercoma]

Exactly. So why the ban? Was he a real threat to this forum? Everyone knew.

zero tolerance for multiple accounts

[WestCoastRunner]

zero tolerance for multiple accounts

I got it.

[Argus]

Wtf is wrong with you people.

I imagine it varies according to the individual.

Look, I don't think this site is usually best-served by banning anyone. And I don't think the moderators, who HAVE to care about this site or they wouldn't spend so much time for so long on it, think it is either. They far prefer to get people to reform their attitudes in order to allow for more intelligent discussion.

The content is what this site runs on and that's provided by the members. Banning them lowers content, which is generally not a good thing. It's usually a last resort, or in response to in-your-face defiance from the member involved. I could be wrong and they simply banned him the instant they realized he had two accounts, but I doubt that's what happened.

[Big Guy]

I have no problems with people using multiple accounts. I also understand that this site does not allow the practice but I do question the technical ability to establish one using more than one account or avatar. This is an anonymous public access board. The avatar who is describing themselves as an expert on the F-35 and an accountant could very easily be a 14 year old posting from his/her place of incarceration.

What difference does it make if somebody uses two accounts? They may choose the process to reinforce the views of each other and put the squeeze on some anonymous avatar he does not like.

I believe that it is quite common for a site owner to own more than one account on his/her site. That way they can act as a catalyst when the action is "slow". I still believe that there is one avatar on this site that is used by the owners to irritate individuals and promote more postings. There could be no other reason why he (?) is allowed the leeway to irritate at will.

I have no problems with posters using this board for whatever purpose they desire. It is free, voluntary and the credibility that one gives to any avatar is at one's peril. If your posts are rude, irritating and insulting then you deserve all the criticism from any source that you deserve - be it one, two or multiple sources.

I have never reported a poster nor do I ever intend to do so.

Edited April 2, 2016 by Big Guy

[The_Squid]

I have no problems with people using multiple accounts

Who cares what you think? It's a hard and fast rule.

[betsy]

What difference does it make if somebody uses two accounts? They may choose the process to reinforce the views of each other and put the squeeze on some anonymous avatar he does not like.

They could also both troll those whose views they don't like in an attempt to drown out opposing views.

Giving the semblance that there are two separate individuals with similar views.....makes the board lose credibility.

Anyway.....why would anyone need more than one account?

[GostHacked]

Good for you. I am too. He doesn't deserve to be banned.

I don't agree with multiple IDs however I also don't agree with outright ban either. There needs to be some tolerance.

I agree, since there is an arbitrary tolerance towards trolling, I believe the rules can be bent here somewhat,

I am sure there are other current cases where a single person has multiple logins.

Edited April 3, 2016 by GostHacked

[Big Guy]

They could also both troll those whose views they don't like in an attempt to drown out opposing views.

Giving the semblance that there are two separate individuals with similar views.....makes the board lose credibility.

Anyway.....why would anyone need more than one account?

I assume that by credibility you mean that what people are posting is the truth and that how posters describe themselves is also true. If posters were proud of what they post and would stand behind their questionable views then they would be using their real names and identities. They are not. This is a game of pretend. There are all kinds of avatars pretending to be all kinds of things and posting insults that they would never have the courage to accept the consequences.

Credibility and public access opinion boards have nothing in common.

[bush_cheney2004]

...Anyway.....why would anyone need more than one account?

In this case, I don't think multiple accounts was a long term strategy, but perhaps a response/attempt to work around a recent suspension. If so, the strategy backfired.

[Big Guy]

Who cares what you think? It's a hard and fast rule.

So you think that no one cares what I think? Why should I care that you think that no one cares what I think? That would make you assume that I care what you think? I do not.

[Guest]

I assume that by credibility you mean that what people are posting is the truth and that how posters describe themselves is also true. If posters were proud of what they post and would stand behind their questionable views then they would be using their real names and identities. They are not. This is a game of pretend. There are all kinds of avatars pretending to be all kinds of things and posting insults that they would never have the courage to accept the consequences.

Credibility and public access opinion boards have nothing in common.

I think credibility is earned on a board such as this, and lost. The whole point is anonymity, so I don't think being anonymous affects credibility. I don't want some nutter coming round my place and killing me because I insulted his religion, or his ice hockey team, for that matter.

[Argus]

I think credibility is earned on a board such as this, and lost. The whole point is anonymity, so I don't think being anonymous affects credibility. I don't want some nutter coming round my place and killing me because I insulted his religion, or his ice hockey team, for that matter.

I think you have it. Credibility is earned or lost based on what a given ID has to say, the intelligence with which he or she says it, their ability to back it up with evidence, and how they behave. Some posters put a lot of effort into backing up what they say with credible citations, and some just fart into the air and hope people smell perfume.

[The_Squid]

SunnyWays was banned... it was clear that this was also a case of multiple accounts. Not sure how he got caught though.

[Big Guy]

I think credibility is earned on a board such as this, and lost. The whole point is anonymity, so I don't think being anonymous affects credibility. I don't want some nutter coming round my place and killing me because I insulted his religion, or his ice hockey team, for that matter.

Interesting. Is there anything here that you post as your opinion on hockey that you also share with other live people? Is there anything here that you post as your opinion on Islam and/or Muslims that you also share with other live people?

The problem with opining with other live people is that it impacts of what people think of you. You would then be responsible for the repercussions of those views. If you are reluctant to do so then I suggest that your look closely at your views and why they may make it dangerous for you to express them in public.

And "I don't think being anonymous affects credibility."?

Are you serious?

BTW I have a really cheap and excellent used car to sell you.

Edited April 3, 2016 by Big Guy

[Guest]

Interesting. Is there anything here that you post as your opinion on hockey that you also share with other live people? Is there anything here that you post as your opinion on Islam and/or Muslims that you also share with other live people?

The problem with opining with other live people is that it impacts of what people think of you. You would then be responsible for the repercussions of those views. If you are reluctant to do so then I suggest that your look closely at your views and why they may make it dangerous for you to express them in public.

And "I don't think being anonymous affects credibility."?

Are you serious?

BTW I have a really cheap and excellent used car to sell you.

Is it like the bridge I tried to sell to you?

I offer no opinion on here that I wouldn't offer in polite company. However, I wouldn't walk into the Stretford End and yell "Man Utd Suck", even if I thought they did.

I am serious, in that being anonymous on a board where everyone is anonymous does not affect credibility. If everyone is anonymous, then credibility will have to be based on some other criteria.

[Argus]

SunnyWays was banned... it was clear that this was also a case of multiple accounts. Not sure how he got caught though.

Sunnyways has not been banned. At least, he/she/it is still listed as a member.

Edited April 3, 2016 by Argus

[BC_chick]

I think credibility is earned on a board such as this, and lost. The whole point is anonymity, so I don't think being anonymous affects credibility. I don't want some nutter coming round my place and killing me because I insulted his religion, or his ice hockey team, for that matter.

We now live at a time where it's a 'hate crime' to boycott Israeli products. Just remember the nutters are on both sides.

ETA, I want to maintain my anonymity for that reason too.

Edited April 3, 2016 by BC_chick

[Argus]

We now live at a time where it's a 'hate crime' to boycott Israeli products. Just remember the nutters are on both sides.

The problem with that is it isn't equal. The right wing nutters tend to be way over there on the far edge of things, and ignored, disparaged and disliked by virtually everyone else on the right. The left wing nutters, on the other hand, aren't necessarily nearly as far over, and aren't nearly as disliked, distrusted or disapproved of by the rest of those on the Left.

[Guest]

We now live at a time where it's a 'hate crime' to boycott Israeli products. Just remember the nutters are on both sides.

ETA, I want to maintain my anonymity for that reason too.

Well sure. I only said "ice" hockey because no one knows where I live.

[Argus]

Well sure. I only said "ice" hockey because no one knows where I live.

I had a guy on this site threaten me once. He was pretty pissed. He said he was going to find out where I lived and come and see me. At least, that was the gist of it. I forget the details. Must have been ten years or so ago. I don't even remember what we were discussing or who it was. He got banned.

edit; I looked it up. It was back in 2006. He claimed to be a large guy (don't they all?) and to have moderated other sites. He didn't much like Israel or Jews either.

Hmm.

Edited April 3, 2016 by Argus

[eyeball]

This multiple account thing really is odd - like a partisan derangement syndrome resulting in some sort of dissociative ideological disorder. I wonder how many wingnuts with loose screws post from both ends of the spectrum?

[BC_chick]

Well sure. I only said "ice" hockey because no one knows where I live.

I read an article recently about a group of SJW who got a guy fired from his job by taking screen shots of comments he made using his Facebook account.

I don't agree with what he was saying but that's ridiculous.

I'm just saying it goes both ways.

Edited April 3, 2016 by BC_chick

[BC_chick]

The problem with that is it isn't equal. The right wing nutters tend to be way over there on the far edge of things, and ignored, disparaged and disliked by virtually everyone else on the right. The left wing nutters, on the other hand, aren't necessarily nearly as far over, and aren't nearly as disliked, distrusted or disapproved of by the rest of those on the Left.

Can you provide an example of the celebrated extreme left? I can't think of any.

ETA, I like to think of myself as pretty left and as I said to bcsapper in my previous post, I don't believe in SJW's at all. I think fringes are a fringe on both sides.

Edited April 3, 2016 by BC_chick