Big Guy Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 I'm quite happy to stay here and get up the noses of unaccomplished twerps who like to swagger around on the internet insulting people. Never give into bullies, and always challenge anti-Semites. That's what my dad taught me. Methinks the mods are not bullies and most rational people do not join boards to "get up peoples noses" even if they see an anti-Semite behind every tree. Quit whining, don't like it then quit the board. Really show the folks around here just how serious and important you are to the running of this board. They deserve it!!! Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Guest Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 People who are unable to put forth any sort of credible defense to their ideologically motivated beliefs get embarrassed and angry. They prefer being among the like minded who will not point out the silliness of their positions. But it's so much fun. I mean, isn't the arguing why we are all on here?
Big Guy Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) Haven't we discussed this? Why would you want a board where eveyrone agreed with you? That's what mirrors are for. Or Rabble. Methinks it is not I who am whining about the rules. I accept and follow them. What has agreeing with me got to do with spouting racism, xenophobia and other comments unacceptable on this board? Edited March 27, 2016 by Big Guy Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
rotary Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 You think some of the rural people of Syria don't live in the desert? Is that shocking to you? Are you aghast? Does the idea have you trembling with rage? And I note you have provided ZERO contradictory cites to the two respected, mainstream columnist I cited, just muttered and whined and thrown around insults, which is all you've been doing for years here. Mathew Fisher? ha ha. He should have stuck to sports reporting.
Argus Posted March 27, 2016 Author Report Posted March 27, 2016 But it's so much fun. I mean, isn't the arguing why we are all on here? Some of us are. Those of us with shaky grasps on reality and low self-esteem don't like to be challenged. They simply want an echo chamber to tell them they're right. This is particularly true of some of the types here who like to think of themselves as progressives. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 I think the warning came from using borderline racist terminology to describe an entire class of people. If one was to call a terrorist a "backward savage" for their actions, I can pretty much guarantee that there would be no warning. For some reason the difference seems so subtle to some that it causes confusion... but to most people, they can understand why the two are very different. Maybe you guys (Sapper and Argus) could try and learn the difference... maybe PM a mod and have a discussion about it. What about this: "I like Jesus.... it's His followers that suck."? That seems to include an entire group of people? I don't care, myself, and I only bring it up because of your post quoted here, but what is the difference? Granted it's religion that you're talking about, but accusations of racism where other religions are concerned seem to be fairly commonplace on this site.
Argus Posted March 27, 2016 Author Report Posted March 27, 2016 Mathew Fisher? ha ha. He should have stuck to sports reporting. Matthew Fisher is Postmedia's international affairs columnist and Canada's longest serving foreign correspondent. He has lived and worked abroad for 31 years in Europe, the Middle East, the Far East and, more recently, Afghanistan. His assignments have taken him to 162 countries, all U.S. states, Canadian provinces and territories, above the North Pole and to an iceberg over the Magnetic North Pole. During his travels he has been an eyewitness to 19 wars and conflicts. The personal highlight of his career as a roaming correspondent was when he attended Nelson Mandela's inauguration in Pretoria. http://news.nationalpost.com/author/fisherrmatthew "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 Methinks it is not I who am whining about the rules. I accept and follow them. What has agreeing with me got to do with spouting racism, xenophobia and other comments unacceptable on this board? It's the agreeing whether or not they are racism, xenophobia and other comments unacceptable on this board that I'm talking about. I disagree with you. It's okay to do that, and stay here.
Argus Posted March 27, 2016 Author Report Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) It's the agreeing whether or not they are racism, xenophobia and other comments unacceptable on this board that I'm talking about. I disagree with you. It's okay to do that, and stay here. Big Guy is an excellent example of the ridiculousness of the Mods focusing on whether or not I was disrespectful towards some external group, be it a native council or a group of refugees, while allowing constant insults directed at members here. Like a few others here, We Stand On Guard, being another, he works very hard at being as insulting as possible to those who disagree with his extremist views while pretending to be making 'general' statements. If the mods really cared about encouraging intelligent discussion his kind of constant 'barely legal' insults would get him suspended. But they take this highly technical viewpoint, like lawyers agonizing over fine points of law, and determine it wasn't a 'direct, personal insult' so mostly let them pass. Then I get a warning point for calling people who came from the desert - desert dwellers. Edited March 27, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 27, 2016 Author Report Posted March 27, 2016 What about this: "I like Jesus.... it's His followers that suck."? That seems to include an entire group of people? I don't care, myself, and I only bring it up because of your post quoted here, but what is the difference? The difference is he presumes when he says "Christians' everyone knows he means white people, and that's okay. But if you say anything about "Muslims" he will presume you are speaking about brown people and be outraged. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) I do think that if someone posted: "I like Muhammad.... it's his followers that suck." They might get a warning. Edit> Having said that, I'm open to the mods telling me I'm wrong and that such a statement would, in fact, be okay. Edited March 27, 2016 by bcsapper
The_Squid Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 What about this: "I like Jesus.... it's His followers that suck."? That seems to include an entire group of people? I don't care, myself, and I only bring it up because of your post quoted here, but what is the difference? Granted it's religion that you're talking about, but accusations of racism where other religions are concerned seem to be fairly commonplace on this site. I don't agree with your premise. But if there's an issue with my post, report it and I'll let you know what the Mods think of it. Maybe it crossed the line...
The_Squid Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 The difference is he presumes when he says "Christians' everyone knows he means white people, and that's okay. But if you say anything about "Muslims" he will presume you are speaking about brown people and be outraged. I don't like the Muslim religion either... nice try though.
Guest Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 I don't agree with your premise. But if there's an issue with my post, report it and I'll let you know what the Mods think of it. Maybe it crossed the line... I never have reported a post. The line you might have crossed doesn't exist at the moment, in my opinion, because it changes all the time. I have asked the mods opinion in another post. Where did you disagree with me in there?
rotary Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 Big Guy is an excellent example of the ridiculousness of the Mods focusing on whether or not I was disrespectful towards some external group, be it a native council or a group of refugees, while allowing constant insults directed at members here. Like a few others here, We Stand On Guard, being another, he works very hard at being as insulting as possible to those who disagree with his extremist views while pretending to be making 'general' statements. If the mods really cared about encouraging intelligent discussion his kind of constant 'barely legal' insults would get him suspended. But they take this highly technical viewpoint, like lawyers agonizing over fine points of law, and determine it wasn't a 'direct, personal insult' so mostly let them pass. Then I get a warning point for calling people who came from the desert - desert dwellers. You conveniently erased the "illiterate" portion of the comment (do you know what the current literacy rate of the country is)?, thought not, but you can always blame Mat Fisher for misguiding you.
The_Squid Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 Where did you disagree with me in there? I disagreed that criticizing the Muslim religion is an issue with the Mods.
Guest Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 I disagreed that criticizing the Muslim religion is an issue with the Mods. Not with the Mods. Just on this site generally. A lot of people cannot see that such criticism has nothing to do with racism. About the mods, though, I am interested in what they would say in answer to my question there, paraphrasing your update post. Only out of curiosity. I'm not going to put it as my signature.
The_Squid Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 Not with the Mods. Just on this site generally. A lot of people cannot see that such criticism has nothing to do with racism. About the mods, though, I am interested in what they would say in answer to my question there, paraphrasing your update post. Only out of curiosity. I'm not going to put it as my signature. You're totally changing the goal posts far enough to make this conversation totally confusing. We were talking about infractions and what the Mods consider against the rules.
Big Guy Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 Big Guy is an excellent example of the ridiculousness of the Mods focusing on whether or not I was disrespectful towards some external group, be it a native council or a group of refugees, while allowing constant insults directed at members here. Like a few others here, We Stand On Guard, being another, he works very hard at being as insulting as possible to those who disagree with his extremist views while pretending to be making 'general' statements. If the mods really cared about encouraging intelligent discussion his kind of constant 'barely legal' insults would get him suspended. But they take this highly technical viewpoint, like lawyers agonizing over fine points of law, and determine it wasn't a 'direct, personal insult' so mostly let them pass. Then I get a warning point for calling people who came from the desert - desert dwellers. Oh Yea. Methinks they are all picking on you because you are are brilliant and they are not letting you express yourself. Poor you. As I stated before, if I felt the way you do then I would have the class to quit rather than be whining all the time looking for sympathy. You participate at will not forced to. Why not show them all that you have pride and quit. That will show them!!!! Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
waldo Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 Then I get a warning point for calling people who came from the desert - desert dwellers. a warning point! Those brutes... how are you holding up? I recall that post; I took exception to that post - oh wait, you seem to have sanitized a part of your labeling: you referred to Canada's Syrian refugees as, "illiterate desert dwellers". Carry on. .
Guest Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 You're totally changing the goal posts far enough to make this conversation totally confusing. We were talking about infractions and what the Mods consider against the rules. Not deliberately. I see where you are coming from though, and I did go back to see the point where I changed it. Where I asked you what you meant when you said you disagreed with me, I should have left it there. I was being far more general by then. I kind of split into two directions. I still would like an answer from the mods about the specifics, but I was also making the point that your statement would draw no ire from any of the Usual Suspects on here, whereas my paraphrasing statement would.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 ...I kind of split into two directions. I still would like an answer from the mods about the specifics, but I was also making the point that your statement would draw no ire from any of the Usual Suspects on here, whereas my paraphrasing statement would. I would too...it's a fair question given all the latest drama. Might be safer to just stick with the last Canadian approved prejudice (Anti-Americanism). Insulting them is just fine ! Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 Might be safer to just stick with the last Canadian approved prejudice (Anti-Americanism). Insulting them is just fine ! oh my! Not sure how you interpreted and changed that into a focus on Americans/America, but... are you really saying the MLW mods have given their approval to the use of, as you interpret, an "Anti-American" slight - insult? Do tell, do tell! Less drama please, more details! .
WestCoastRunner Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 So I got a warning point the other day from MH for 'insulting and abusive behaviour'. This was for referring to the Syrian refugees coming to Canada as 'illiterate desert dwellers' in a discussion about the financial costs of importing a lot of people who could not support themselves. As was mentioned earlier, this is a borderline racist remark against an entire group of people. We all have a responsibility to stop hate speech dead in its tracks, including MLW. I'm glad to hear you were given a warning. If you do it again, I would hope you will get suspended. All I can is that you have been warned. It's up to you whether you want to address groups of people with respect, humility and empathy. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Guest Posted March 27, 2016 Report Posted March 27, 2016 As was mentioned earlier, this is a borderline racist remark against an entire group of people. We all have a responsibility to stop hate speech dead in its tracks, including MLW. I'm glad to hear you were given a warning. If you do it again, I would hope you will get suspended. All I can is that you have been warned. It's up to you whether you want to address groups of people with respect, humility and empathy. That's not hate speech. It might be considered offensive, but who cares about that? The description was referenced, and the credentials of the originator provided. I would have no idea whether or not a person was illiterate, or a desert dweller, but I would have no issue with that description being applied when it was accurate. As for addressing groups of people with respect, humility and empathy, it's nice, but it's not a requirement, is it? Wouldn't it depend on the group? How do you feel about Republican, Trump supporting evangelicals?
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