cybercoma Posted November 28, 2013 Report Posted November 28, 2013 The parents of a two-month old infant chose to have their baby baptized when he was injured in a traffic accident, instead of bringing him to a hospital for care. As a result, the child died of his injuries. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/11/27/report-parents-of-injured-baby-choose-emergency-baptism-over-hospital-visit-with-fatal-consequences/ Yet another example of religion influencing good people do horrible things. Quote
Boges Posted November 28, 2013 Report Posted November 28, 2013 It's not just religious people that are doing it. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/11/23/tamara-sophia-lovett-charged_n_4330020.html Calgary police have now charged a woman in the death of her 7-year-old son, who they allege died after she tried to treat his strep infection with holistic remedies. Tamara Sophia Lovett, 44, is charged with criminal negligence causing death and failing to provide the necessaries of life. Police say her son, Ryan, was bedridden for 10 days before being taken to hospital when he had a seizure. He was pronounced dead shortly after. Under the Criminal Code of Canada, it is a legal requirement for a parent or guardian to provide the necessaries of life, which are defined by the courts as food, shelter, care and medical attention necessary to sustain life and protection from harm. Quote
The_Squid Posted November 28, 2013 Report Posted November 28, 2013 The parents should be charged with negligence causing death. At least the kid is in heaven now though, eh? Whew... Snuck in there in the last minute!! Quote
Shady Posted November 28, 2013 Report Posted November 28, 2013 Yep, there are stupid people in the world. Good post. That's like posting a story about a newborn being left in a dumpster and blaming it on pro-abortion. Actually, that's probably the case. Quote
Black Dog Posted November 28, 2013 Report Posted November 28, 2013 Yep, there are stupid people in the world. Good post. That's like posting a story about a newborn being left in a dumpster and blaming it on pro-abortion. Actually, that's probably the case. That... wouldn't even make sense. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 28, 2013 Author Report Posted November 28, 2013 Please don't quote Shady. It makes me see his posts. I'm doing my best not to indulge his delusions. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted November 28, 2013 Report Posted November 28, 2013 The parents of a two-month old infant chose to have their baby baptized when he was injured in a traffic accident, instead of bringing him to a hospital for care. As a result, the child died of his injuries. Yet another example of religion influencing good people do horrible things. Agreed, also a perfect example of dogma ruling over more rational thought and causing great harm as a result. The dogma in this case is the belief of "you can't get into heaven unless you're baptized", which even if you're a God-believing Christian should seem like absolute nonsense. If God creates a human being, then it is God's child and I don't see how baptism makes anyone any more holy. Baptism is much more of a symbolic ceremony than a an actual key into heaven. Even in the Bible does anyone with "authority" say one needs to be baptized in order to go to heaven? Such stupidity!. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Bonam Posted November 29, 2013 Report Posted November 29, 2013 Such stupidity!. You've just described religion in two words. Shouldn't seem surprising. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 29, 2013 Report Posted November 29, 2013 It's a horrible story, but I don't see how it can represent any larger truth with regards to the relative impact of religion really. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
cybercoma Posted November 29, 2013 Author Report Posted November 29, 2013 You don't see how these people were impacted by religion, MH? Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 29, 2013 Report Posted November 29, 2013 You don't see how these people were impacted by religion, MH? Oh sure. A friend of mine also once told me about someone he knew who wore a crucifix into battle. Wouldn't you know that this gentleman was shot and it stopped the bullet. NOW what do you think about religion ? Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
cybercoma Posted November 29, 2013 Author Report Posted November 29, 2013 We should arm our police forces with crucifixes. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 29, 2013 Report Posted November 29, 2013 We should arm our police forces with crucifixes. There is some evidence that that would be effective, albeit anecdotal. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
GostHacked Posted November 30, 2013 Report Posted November 30, 2013 Of course when the crucifix is made of metal and brandished on chest plating! Quote
kimmy Posted December 1, 2013 Report Posted December 1, 2013 It's a horrible story, but I don't see how it can represent any larger truth with regards to the relative impact of religion really. Oh sure. A friend of mine also once told me about someone he knew who wore a crucifix into battle. Wouldn't you know that this gentleman was shot and it stopped the bullet. NOW what do you think about religion ? It seems as if you're dismissing this as an isolated incident. However, there have been quite a number of deaths of children due to parents withholding medical care for religious reasons. There have also been several outbreaks of easily preventable diseases that have been traced back to churches that teach against vaccination. So, while most mainstream religious denominations accept modern medicine, there are those who don't. And it's not simply a case of a wacko here and a wacko there, it's part of their doctrine. And there are people doing the same for non-religious reasons as well. Jenny McCarthy and the anti-vax movement and the new-age holistic healing kooks are, as I see it, almost a cult in their own right. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
bleeding heart Posted December 1, 2013 Report Posted December 1, 2013 And there are people doing the same for non-religious reasons as well. Jenny McCarthy and the anti-vax movement and the new-age holistic healing kooks are, as I see it, almost a cult in their own right. -k Yeah, pretty damn close. Anyone who knowingly has an effect on other people's opinions in the realm of health and medicine should take a cold hard look at issues of responsibility. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 1, 2013 Report Posted December 1, 2013 ....Anyone who knowingly has an effect on other people's opinions in the realm of health and medicine should take a cold hard look at issues of responsibility. Great...no more health propaganda about flu shots, fetal alcohol syndrome, or HIV/AIDS. Wonderful idea.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bleeding heart Posted December 1, 2013 Report Posted December 1, 2013 (edited) Great...no more health propaganda about flu shots, fetal alcohol syndrome, or HIV/AIDS. Wonderful idea.... Those advocating for such things are concerned exactly with issues of responsibility. Not so much the "vaccines make your children retarded" school of "thought." Thanks for the more-than-usually tepid attempt, though..... Edited December 1, 2013 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
kimmy Posted December 1, 2013 Report Posted December 1, 2013 Great...no more health propaganda about flu shots, fetal alcohol syndrome, or HIV/AIDS. Wonderful idea.... The people issuing that "propaganda" can talk about responsibility and say "we tried to prevent old-people from dying of preventable illness, children from being born with preventable birth defects, and people from catching fatal disease due to high-risk sexual practices". I think they'll be able to sleep at night. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 1, 2013 Report Posted December 1, 2013 As usual, and for the usual reasons, health "propaganda" becomes religion that helps some sleep well at night. Gee, that was easy..... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bleeding heart Posted December 1, 2013 Report Posted December 1, 2013 As usual, and for the usual reasons, health "propaganda" becomes religion that helps some sleep well at night. Gee, that was easy..... Especially easy when it's divorced from the posts to which you're ostensibly responding. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 1, 2013 Report Posted December 1, 2013 Such low hanging fruit is always easy.....choose your health care "religion" and "propaganda" accordingly. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bleeding heart Posted December 1, 2013 Report Posted December 1, 2013 Such low hanging fruit is always easy I couldn't agree more. . ....choose your health care "religion" and "propaganda" accordingly. Good advice, and just what was done: hence the obvious distinctions between robust medical opinions about HIV and fetal alcohol syndrome...compared to Jenny's vaccine scares. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 1, 2013 Report Posted December 1, 2013 Good advice, and just what was done: hence the obvious distinctions between robust medical opinions about HIV and fetal alcohol syndrome...compared to Jenny's vaccine scares. ...or your vaccine "propaganda" seen in previous posts. Like I said....easy peasy. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bleeding heart Posted December 1, 2013 Report Posted December 1, 2013 ...or your vaccine "propaganda" seen in previous posts. Like I said....easy peasy. I genuinely have no idea to what you're referring here. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
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