Topaz Posted November 19, 2014 Report Posted November 19, 2014 Don't bet on a different out come in January. The President can veto it if it doesn't not contain items HE wants in there and I heard on US news that this could take another year or two. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 19, 2014 Report Posted November 19, 2014 Canada could have built its own east-west pipeline(s) by now, but it wouldn't / couldn't. More waiting..... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
overthere Posted November 19, 2014 Report Posted November 19, 2014 Always been thus. WIll continue that way for quite some time. Trudeau should re-introduce punitive tariffs that force all Canadians to buy expensive made-in-Ontario goods, like the good old days. Lets get those jobs back from China and Mexico and get Ontario factory workers back to work! Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
On Guard for Thee Posted November 19, 2014 Report Posted November 19, 2014 Don't bet on a different out come in January. The President can veto it if it doesn't not contain items HE wants in there and I heard on US news that this could take another year or two. He can veto it but then congress can veto the veto, if they can get the numbers. From what I've been hearing that's iffy. Quote
Big Guy Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 I can see two scenarios; Harper declares some kind of guidelines for carbon reduction and Obama signs because he has made a "deal". OR New Senate takes over, passes the same bill, Obama veto's and congress and senate get the 2/3 needed for an override. Last vote Keystone got 59 votes - that means that in this lame Senate 12 Democrats voted for the bill. A Senate veto override needs 67 votes. In the next government there are a few more Republicans coming in. All the backers of this bill have to get is 8 more votes. I think they can get them. Keystone pipeline is going to happen. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 Not for some time in any case. The price of oil will have an impact. Also there is at least one court case to be dealt with. In the meantime American's may figure out it's not much benefit to them and that could scuttle it. Quote
Shady Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 Keystone XL bill fails to pass in the U.S. Senate....very close but no banana. This will impact the run-off election in Louisiana. WASHINGTON (AP) — The Democrat-controlled Senate has defeated a bill to approve the Keystone XL oil pipeline. The Senate's 59-41 vote Tuesday night was a nail-biter to the end. The bill needed 60 votes to reach the White House. The House passed it overwhelmingly last week. Exactly. The Republican running there is likely to cruise to an easy victory now that the Democrats have thrown their fellow Democrat under the bus. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 Exactly. The Republican running there is likely to cruise to an easy victory now that the Democrats have thrown their fellow Democrat under the bus. Not exactly rocket science to figure that out. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
On Guard for Thee Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 Exactly. The Republican running there is likely to cruise to an easy victory now that the Democrats have thrown their fellow Democrat under the bus. Apparently you forgot the dreaded "veto" word eh? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 Naw, Harper earned the "dictator" title by his constant use of prorogation and closure. And just to put a little icing on the cake, don't forget contempt of parliament. Quote
Smallc Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 Naw, Harper earned the "dictator" title by his constant use of prorogation Constant? Wow, I guess I missed something. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 Maybe you did. The highest use of prorogation as well as closure in the history of the country, and of course the only PM to be found in contempt. Does that not give you cause for concern? Quote
overthere Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 Hell no. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Smallc Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 Maybe you did. The highest use of prorogation as well as closure in the history of the country, and of course the only PM to be found in contempt. Does that not give you cause for concern? Not in the least. Prorogation is nothing to be afraid of. It's akin to the State of the Union. It simply ends one session of Parliament and begins another. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 Not in the least. Prorogation is nothing to be afraid of. It's akin to the State of the Union. It simply ends one session of Parliament and begins another. That's the simplified version, but in the hands of Harper it's much more than that. It's a way to avoid a legitimate vote, which is the business of parliament, which he is afraid will go against his government. And of course closure is a way of limiting committees from properly assessing new bills. Both are attempts to limit the democratic process and that is something to be afraid of. Quote
sharkman Posted November 21, 2014 Report Posted November 21, 2014 Maybe you did. The highest use of prorogation as well as closure in the history of the country, and of course the only PM to be found in contempt. Does that not give you cause for concern? And if JT was doing it as PM you'd be marvelling at it. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 21, 2014 Report Posted November 21, 2014 And if JT was doing it as PM you'd be marvelling at it. I hope you don't mind if I ignore such a ridiculous comment? Quote
sharkman Posted November 21, 2014 Report Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) I notice no one has rushed to your defence. How ridiculous can it be if no one else is protesting? Edited November 21, 2014 by sharkman Quote
jbg Posted November 22, 2014 Report Posted November 22, 2014 The US public doesn't know who Harper is, much less cares what he says.I do. I resent that remark. As for the pipeline I support it. Anything to make North America a major net exporter of energy. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jacee Posted November 23, 2014 Author Report Posted November 23, 2014 I do. I resent that remark. As for the pipeline I support it. Anything to make North America a major net exporter of energy. You really think Americans want Canadian corrosive dilbit piped through their territory to get shipped to China, just to improve the net exports of North America? . Quote
eyeball Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 I'm confused. So do you left wing types no longer like China even though they are communist? Are left wingers now a protectionist group? No, we're just nowhere near as hypocritical when it comes to trucking and trading with dictatorships. Not long it was the exact opposite. I may have missed something. I think it's more a case of you imagining something. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 I'm confused. So do you left wing types no longer like China even though they are communist? Are left wingers now a protectionist group? Not long it was the exact opposite. I may have missed something. I guess now I'm confused. I didn't realize you right wing types loved the communists so much you can't wait to send them all our oil. Quote
eyeball Posted November 23, 2014 Report Posted November 23, 2014 The love affair only really started getting torrid with the rise of the oligarchs. The idea that trade with a place like China would make it more like our's was always a two way street and I think right-wingers have suffered from our exposure to China more than anyone else. Right-wingers just can't get enough of wealthy powerful people. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
jacee Posted November 24, 2014 Author Report Posted November 24, 2014 I'm confused. So do you left wing types no longer like China even though they are communist? Are left wingers now a protectionist group? Not long it was the exact opposite. I may have missed something. I think you are confusing yourself with your own oversimplification of complex situations. If you can't think past categorizing and labelling people 'right-good left-bad' ... then you will continue to be confused by human complexities. . Quote
overthere Posted November 24, 2014 Report Posted November 24, 2014 No, we're just nowhere near as hypocritical when it comes to trucking and trading with dictatorships. The US is not usually categorized as a dictatorship. Note yet again that oil in the pipeplines, trains, refineries etc does not belong to Canada. Or the US for that matter. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
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