BubberMiley Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 In regard to the video, specifically, what's changed is the Chief of Police has said the video exists.Exactly. And I'm saying that's no big deal because the three reporters also already said it exists. I believe the chief, but I don't have any reason to think he's more credible than the reporters. One could question the integrity of the chief just like many members of this forum in previous pages of this thread questioned the integrity of the reporters. I think that would be unfair to the police chief, just as it was unfair to the reporters. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
jacee Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 (edited) 1010 news, Ford show. He's very sorry. He's not leaving or taking a leave. He's "moving forward". Doug: "We're as honest as the day is long." "Make sure it doesn't happen again." Oh ya, Ford's getting a driver ... so he can drink without driving no doubt. "Drinking on the Danforth, St Patrick's Day, got a little out of hand." "Slow down on my drinking, I guess." "I guarantee ... GUARANTEE! ... it'll never happen again." Nothing about skulking around with Lisi during business hours yet. . Edited November 3, 2013 by jacee Quote
Black Dog Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 "Normal people" likely can see that I wasn't comparing the two people but rather comparing the media coverage of the two. The media was all over Ford before the existence of the video was confirmed by the police. Furthermore, since it's apparently escaped you, the video was also "one incident" and didn't result in any charges or serious harm. Sure there were other incidents with Ford - just as there were others with Layton (you know that as well as I do), but the issues here are the crack smoking video and the whore house incident. But don't let that stop you from making up an opportunity to insult me based on what's in your head. The video was not one incident but part of an ongoing and documented pattern of (mis)behaviour. I'm not aware of Layton having any other issues that involved illicit activity as you allege. Care to back that up? As for the media coverage, again, on the one hand there's an incident that took place nearly 25 years before it made headlines, on the other there's an ongoing investigation by police into the mayor's activities and associates. So yeah, the media's gonna cover that a bit different. Quote
Black Dog Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 Good to see Ford apologize and take responsibility without saying what he was apologizing and taking responsibility for. Classic. Quote
TimG Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 (edited) --- Edited November 3, 2013 by TimG Quote
Guest American Woman Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 The video was not one incident but part of an ongoing and documented pattern of (mis)behaviour. I'm not aware of Layton having any other issues that involved illicit activity as you allege. Care to back that up?The issue here, regarding the media reporting, has been the video. As for Layton, I recall allegations regarding illegal housing/residence on his and Olivia's part. Quote
Black Dog Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 (edited) The issue here, regarding the media reporting, has been the video. Nope. Ford v. the media was ongoing before the video came up. Lots of stories about him before the video broke. As for Layton, I recall allegations regarding illegal housing/residence on his and Olivia's part. It wasn't "illegal" anything. the allegations were they were getting a cushy deal living in a co-op while making six figures. Edited November 3, 2013 by Black Dog Quote
Guest American Woman Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 Nope. Ford v. the media was ongoing before the video came up. Lots of stories about him before the video broke. Yep. That's what's been discussed here regarding the media reporting. The video. It wasn't "illegal" anything. the allegations they were getting a cushy deal living in a co-op while making six figures. You said: I'm not aware of Layton having any other issues that involved illicit activity as you allege. Care to back that up? Again. Allegations regarding illegal housing was an issue. Quote
Black Dog Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 Yep. That's what's been discussed here regarding the media reporting. The video. You should really read this thread from the get go. You said: I'm not aware of Layton having any other issues that involved illicit activity as you allege. Care to back that up? Again. Allegations regarding illegal housing was an issue. Again: there were no allegations of "illegal" housing. Quote
Boges Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 I think it's a good play to demand the release of the video. Put the ball back in the Chief's court. If the video doesn't figure in a criminal proceeding against the mayor then why not release it. Kind of a cop out. Quote
BubberMiley Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 Is this really turning into a debate about whether Jack Layton should have received as much media attention about his transgressions as Rob Ford? Holy crap. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
GostHacked Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 Is this really turning into a debate about whether Jack Layton should have received as much media attention about his transgressions as Rob Ford? Holy crap. When you come to the fork in the road .. take it. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 You should really read this thread from the get go.And you should really know what the criticism regarding the media coverage was in regards to. Again: there were no allegations of "illegal" housing.Yes, there most certainly were allegations of illegal housing/residence; some most definitely did make that allegation. Furthermore, Ford hasn't been charged with anything illegal regarding the video. Quote
Black Dog Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 I think it's a good play to demand the release of the video. Put the ball back in the Chief's court. If the video doesn't figure in a criminal proceeding against the mayor then why not release it. Kind of a cop out. It may feature in criminal proceedings against other people, though. I'm curious about the second video myself. If it is what I've heard it is...yeesh. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 I think it's a good play to demand the release of the video. Put the ball back in the Chief's court. If the video doesn't figure in a criminal proceeding against the mayor then why not release it. Kind of a cop out. Maybe it figures into criminal proceedings against someone else. Quote
Black Dog Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 And you should really know what the criticism regarding the media coverage was in regards to. Love being told by some random from Nutsack, Nebraska about what's going on in the city in which I live. Yes, there most certainly were allegations of illegal housing/residence; some most definitely did make that allegation. Furthermore, Ford hasn't been charged with anything illegal regarding the video. Link to allegations of illegal housing or STFU. Quote
Boges Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 Then why mention it in the first place? The Chief didn't need to say anything. If you're going to acknowledge the video exists then make it public. Even to blur images of anyone else that may be facing charges. Quote
Boges Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 Love being told by some random from Nutsack, Nebraska about what's going on in the city in which I live. To be fair there's enough people here happy to comment on the goings on in the US. Quote
Black Dog Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 To be fair there's enough people here happy to comment on the goings on in the US. Yeah, sure, but it's the tone I'm talking about. Then why mention it in the first place? The Chief didn't need to say anything. If you're going to acknowledge the video exists then make it public. Even to blur images of anyone else that may be facing charges. There's also the possibility it's part of an ongoing criminal investigation against the mayor himself. Quote
jacee Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 (edited) Yep. That's what's been discussed here regarding the media reporting. The video. You said: I'm not aware of Layton having any other issues that involved illicit activity as you allege. Care to back that up? Again. Allegations regarding illegal housing was an issue. The man's dead. Your trolling is derailing from emerging events. Can you cork it please! Edited November 3, 2013 by jacee Quote
Guest American Woman Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 Then why mention it in the first place? Because there was a question of its existence. It makes sense that they would make it known when they found a hard copy of it. The Chief didn't need to say anything. If you're going to acknowledge the video exists then make it public. Even to blur images of anyone else that may be facing charges. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging the existence while not releasing it. The chief didn't need to say anything, but in doing so, he answered the question of its existence. Oddly enough, Ford is calling for the release of the video - which apparently is evidence "in the case against a friend and sometimes driver for the mayor Alexander Lisi. Police allege Lisi tried to get his hands on the video and charged him with extortion." http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/11/03/rob-ford-apologizes-though-does-not-say-for-what-and-calls-on-police-chief-to-release-video/ Quote
jacee Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 Then why mention it in the first place? The Chief didn't need to say anything. If you're going to acknowledge the video exists then make it public. Even to blur images of anyone else that may be facing charges. Can't. It's evidence. Besides, his real substance abuse issue is booze. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 Good to see Ford apologize and take responsibility without saying what he was apologizing and taking responsibility for. Classic. My thoughts exactly. Worst. Apology. Ever. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 Rob Ford didn't seem to be clear on the reasons he needed to apologize. Maybe we should all help him by itemizing his past bizarre behaviour. Here is a start: 20 things you should know about Rob Ford Last August, someone posted a photo to Twitter of Ford reading while driving his car on the highway. Not sitting in traffic on the highway, mind you, but "moving at about 70 km." Asked whether the allegation was true, Ford replied, "Probably. I'm busy." On St. Patrick's Day, Ford was escorted out of the bar Bier Markt after "storming the dance floor" and exhibiting generally drunken and "incoherrent" behavior. On Christmas Day of 2011, Ford's mother-in-law "called police between 4 and 5 a.m. to report that the mayor had been drinking and was taking his children to Florida against the wishes of his wife, Renata." The Toronto Star reported, "According to numerous police and emergency service sources, 911 calls to the mayor’s Edenbridge Dr. home are a reality for the South Etobicoke division. Exactly how many calls have been made is unknown." Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 So, Ford is now asking Blair to release the video which he recently claimed didn't exist? Is that what he's apologizing for? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
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