Black Dog Posted November 20, 2013 Report Posted November 20, 2013 He is exhibiting behaviors not becoming of a Mayor. He admits he smokes crack, he admits he had taken part in illegal drug sales, he admits he has been obnoxiously drunk in public. He admits that he lied about much of this (but he said he did not lie). Your child acts like an idiot, do you take care of it right away or do you wait? He is not in a proper state of mind with his recent rants. He has lost it and needs to go. If you want to wait for an election to get rid of him, then you are going to have more incidents like this that will put more pressure on any committee to get rid of him. Ford has not carried himself in a way that tells me he respects the office of Mayor and by that he does not respect the rest of the council. So we have to get rid of him before he does more stuff that will make him unelectable? The system does not need to be changed. This is what we call accountability. Call an election now then. This is a process that the council can take legally and democratically Forcing an early election changes the system (we have set dates for a reason) and actually bolsters Ford's reelection chances. IF Harper was like this, would you continue to allow him to be a complete embarrassment to the entire nation? Apples and oranges. A PM is a different beast. Quote
GostHacked Posted November 20, 2013 Report Posted November 20, 2013 So we have to get rid of him before he does more stuff that will make him unelectable? He has made himself unelectable some time ago with the crack smoking video fiasco. He made himself unelectable with hounding reporters for doing their job. He made himself unelectable when he lied about his activities and then said he never lied. He made himself unelectable by many of his public actions. Put the blame where it needs and rightly so deserves to be. You know Ford has hit it 'big time' when he is all over shows like The Daily Show and SNL. Forcing an early election changes the system (we have set dates for a reason) and actually bolsters Ford's reelection chances. How does it change the system? Nothing will bolster Ford's ability to get re-elected. He has done himself in. Apples and oranges. A PM is a different beast. Not really. You are in a leadership position representing millions of people. No matter if you are a Mayor or a provincial premier or the PM leading the country. Carry yourself with respect and act like a damn adult. Respect the position you are in, something Ford does not seem to exude. Quote
Black Dog Posted November 20, 2013 Report Posted November 20, 2013 He has made himself unelectable some time ago with the crack smoking video fiasco. He made himself unelectable with hounding reporters for doing their job. He made himself unelectable when he lied about his activities and then said he never lied. He made himself unelectable by many of his public actions. Put the blame where it needs and rightly so deserves to be. You know Ford has hit it 'big time' when he is all over shows like The Daily Show and SNL.. If he's unelectable, then why not wait for the election and leave it to the people to pass judegment? Now does it change the system? Uh, because in order to hold a snap election or remove him outright you'd have to change the current set up to allow for such outcomes? nothing will bolster Ford's ability to get re-elected. He has done himself in. Having a snap election now, with no credible opponents ready to step in and Ford enjoying a huge advantage in name recognition would give him more than a puncher's chance. Not really. You are in a leadership position representing millions of people. No matter if you are a Mayor or a provincial premier or the PM leading the country. Carry yourself with respect and act like a damn adult. Respect the position you are in, something Ford does not seem to exude A PM is chosen by his party, the mayor by the people. It's comparatively easy to remove the former without any changes to current legislation or procedures. Quote
GostHacked Posted November 20, 2013 Report Posted November 20, 2013 If he's unelectable, then why not wait for the election and leave it to the people to pass judegment? Why wait? The people have already passed judgement. Those who support Ford may be oblivious to his actions. But I fail to see how people could not know. Not sure how you can defend Ford here. He has done nothing to reassure the public that he is fit to be Mayor. But to ask a question, when would the next election be held? Having a snap election now, with no credible opponents ready to step in and Ford enjoying a huge advantage in name recognition would give him more than a puncher's chance. That might work for Harper on the national scale, but Ford's situation is quite different. Even though I am no fan of Harper, he does carry himself with some dignity and respect, something I value in a leader. But if you want to go with name recognition, people are going to connect him to his public behavior. That does not bode well for Ford. Quote
Black Dog Posted November 20, 2013 Report Posted November 20, 2013 Why wait? The people have already passed judgement. Those who support Ford may be oblivious to his actions. But I fail to see how people could not know. Asked and answered. To recap: no reason to change the way things are and set a new precedent to accommodate what is most surely an aberration. Not sure how you can defend Ford here. He has done nothing to reassure the public that he is fit to be Mayor. If you think I'm defending Ford here, your reading comprehension skills need to be recalibrated. But to ask a question, when would the next election be held? Oct. 27, 2014. That might work for Harper on the national scale, but Ford's situation is quite different. Indeed it is. But if you want to go with name recognition, people are going to connect him to his public behavior. That does not bode well for Ford. Not having a credible alternative is worse. Quote
Wilber Posted November 20, 2013 Report Posted November 20, 2013 Interesting debate you guys are having. The guy is a giant zit on Toronto's nose but do you change the system just because of him. Interesting dilemma Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
GostHacked Posted November 20, 2013 Report Posted November 20, 2013 Interesting debate you guys are having. The guy is a giant zit on Toronto's nose but do you change the system just because of him. Interesting dilemma Nothing is changing in the system. The council has the power to strip the mayor of power if the situation warrants it. This might actually show the system working for once. Quote
Black Dog Posted November 20, 2013 Report Posted November 20, 2013 Nothing is changing in the system. The council has the power to strip the mayor of power if the situation warrants it. This might actually show the system working for once. And they did. They don't have the power to boot him out, though. Nor do they have the power to force a snap election. The system has worked as well as it can within the existing framework; anything else would require changes to legislation. Quote
Topaz Posted November 20, 2013 Report Posted November 20, 2013 I heard on US host say after seeing Rob, "Is everyone from there like that?" Quote
Mighty AC Posted November 20, 2013 Report Posted November 20, 2013 Tommy Boy is the figure head of the third or fourth largest government in the country by number of constituents, and sixth largest by budget. His position is just as, or more important than most of our premiers. If Alison Redford was behaving in this fashion we wouldn't want her to remain on the job for a year. I'm not exactly sure how we would word a clause that allows an unfit mayor or premier to be removed without allowing it to be used for political games; but, it should be attempted. It is something that must be carefully considered though. If Harper has taught us anything it is, that any regulation that can be misused, will be. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
bjre Posted November 21, 2013 Report Posted November 21, 2013 Nothing is changing in the system. The council has the power to strip the mayor of power if the situation warrants it. This might actually show the system working for once. The system only working when most people need not it, it never work when most people need it. It only work for tax suckers, it never work for tax payers. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
jacee Posted November 21, 2013 Report Posted November 21, 2013 The system only working when most people need not it, it never work when most people need it. It only work for tax suckers, it never work for tax payers. How much has the Ford gong show cost taxpayers? Quote
Topaz Posted November 21, 2013 Report Posted November 21, 2013 (edited) The trainer that Ford has to lose weight was convicted in the US for steriod trafficking and has 12 year ban on coaching in Canada and Ford is not in any alcohol treatment. Why does this guy always go to these type of people??? http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/11/20/rob-ford-fitness-consultant-a-convicted-steroid-trafficker-banned-from-coaching-in-canada/ Edited November 21, 2013 by Topaz Quote
Mighty AC Posted November 21, 2013 Report Posted November 21, 2013 I'm sure he'll swear in front of children to apologize for it. He does have a zero tolerance policy on drugs, crime and gangs after all. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Rocky Road Posted November 21, 2013 Report Posted November 21, 2013 http://www.tribemagazine.com/board/tribe-main-forum/161647-rob-ford-torontos-crack-smoking-mayor.html Surf on over to this thread on Ford to have a look at the debate going on in Toronto. Quote
Mighty AC Posted November 21, 2013 Report Posted November 21, 2013 Catchy tune by Chris Daughtry - The Ballad of Rob Ford "I'm the drunk driving, crack smoking, mayor of Toronto". Hey all publicity is good publicity right? Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
bjre Posted November 22, 2013 Report Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) How much has the Ford gong show cost taxpayers? The director and the main players of the show are not Ford, those people wasted the salary taken from taxpayers. The real cost is the outstanding work did by Ford, that no one else willing do for decades. That is what those tax suckers want, they don't want to do any real work, they want take tax dollars only. And they can not tolerate any one who do real work. Tax payer lost an oppotunity to improve their life, Canada lost an oppertunity to improve economy, time will prove, all Canadians will suffer from such a system include the tax suckers. In such a system, no politician do real work. Anyone who dare to do will be removed. The only thing politicians know how to take an egg is kill the goose, until no goose available, just like Iceland. Edited November 22, 2013 by bjre Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
Rocky Road Posted November 22, 2013 Report Posted November 22, 2013 The director and the main players of the show are not Ford, those people wasted the salary taken from taxpayers. The real cost is the outstanding work did by Ford, that no one else willing do for decades. That is what those tax suckers want, they don't want to do any real work, they want take tax dollars only. And they can not tolerate any one who do real work. Tax payer lost an oppotunity to improve their life, Canada lost an oppertunity to improve economy, time will prove, all Canadians will suffer from such a system include the tax suckers. In such a system, no politician do real work. Anyone who dare to do will be removed. The only thing politicians know how to take an egg is kill the goose, until no goose available, just like Iceland. Hmmm. Interesting. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted November 22, 2013 Report Posted November 22, 2013 Drives me mental that no one calls them out on n their fake Regular Joe schtick. Last week, Rob was railing against "the rich" like a Marxist class warrior. In the meantime, their oft repeated lie of saving taxpayers a billion dollars (why not a trillion?) go unchallenged. He can't say a trillion. That would be dishonest. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted November 22, 2013 Report Posted November 22, 2013 The trainer that Ford has to lose weight was convicted in the US for steriod trafficking and has 12 year ban on coaching in Canada and Ford is not in any alcohol treatment. Why does this guy always go to these type of people??? http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/11/20/rob-ford-fitness-consultant-a-convicted-steroid-trafficker-banned-from-coaching-in-canada/ Cause he's Rob F-ing Ford. Hero of the little people. The crazier he is, the more the great unwashed love him. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
jacee Posted November 22, 2013 Report Posted November 22, 2013 Catchy tune by Chris Daughtry - The Ballad of Rob Ford "I'm the drunk driving, crack smoking, mayor of Toronto". Hey all publicity is good publicity right? That's the best song I think, but here are more. http://m.thestar.com/#!/entertainment/redirect/5853884b8b2ab45e0f5f40729effd7a7 Quote
Boges Posted November 22, 2013 Report Posted November 22, 2013 The Crack Head and Chief was somewhat charming yesterday at an appearance at Casa Loma last night. Oh and a poll has his approval ratings at 40% still. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/fords-approval-strong-amid-new-report-of-domestic-police-call/article15560112/ A new poll suggests that, despite Toronto Mayor Rob Fords recent admissions of smoking crack cocaine and drinking to excess, his popularity has barely seen a dent 42 per cent of Toronto residents said they approve of the job hes doing, and 33 per cent still plan on voting for him. The Forum Research poll published in the Toronto Sun Friday comes amid new reports that describe a domestic assault police call at Mr. Fords home this past summer, and an allegation that the mayor was purposely kept away from Prime Minister Stephen Harper during a Conservative party event two days later because of concerns Mr. Ford may have been intoxicated. Quote
Mighty AC Posted November 22, 2013 Report Posted November 22, 2013 That poll was conducted on Nov 6, yet this one conducted between the 8th and 12th paints a different picture. Just 24% believe Ford should remain in office.http://www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/pressrelease.aspx?id=6315 On the heels of an admission and apology by Toronto Mayor Rob Ford for a series of drunken behaviours, including one where he was caught on tape smoking crack cocaine – an allegation he has repeatedly denied – a new Ipsos Reid poll conducted exclusively for CTV News/CP24/NEWSTALK 1010 has found that just one quarter (24%) of Toronto residents believe that Mayor Ford should remain in office, while the rest (76%) believe he should either resign permanently and stay out of politics.Moreover, few (30%) believe his plan not to resign or take a leave of absence and stay on the job working for taxpayers until the next election is acceptable. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Boges Posted November 22, 2013 Report Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) You misread the article. The 42 per cent approval rating is just a slight drop from a similar Forum poll conducted Nov. 6, which had his approval at that time at 44 per cent. The results suggest that many of the 1,049 residents polled support the mayor even though they are aware of at least some of the allegations hes currently facing, including drug and alcohol abuse. The poll has a larger base than the Ipsos-Reid goal. Again I maintain all polling is crap. But it's how the media tells us how politicians are doing so unless they are banned we can't avoid them. "Lies, damned lies, and statistics" Here's an article from Star columnist and high profile Ford hater. People should quit piling on. http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2013/11/22/rob_ford_haters_the_i_told_you_so_crowd_needs_to_hold_its_smugness_in_check_or_fail_james.html They have every right to say, I told you so. But they should resist. A little bit of humility from this huge voting block is in order if they are to deliver their naturally aligned mayoral candidate, Olivia Chow, to the mayors office. Chow leads most opinion polls testing voter preference a year away from the Oct. 27 vote. But we are getting ahead of ourselves. And nothing threatens this groups electoral success as the cockiness borne out of a sense of righteous entitlement. Ford Nation is apoplectic at this smugness, the down-the-nose glance that says, What? Are you stupid? Dont you know . . .? These polar opposites will never attract each other. But if they remain stubbornly rooted in their rhetoric, unmindful of the grievances of the other, another group will determine the citys future. Edited November 22, 2013 by Boges Quote
Black Dog Posted November 22, 2013 Report Posted November 22, 2013 The Crack Head and Chief was somewhat charming yesterday at an appearance at Casa Loma last night. Oh and a poll has his approval ratings at 40% still. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/fords-approval-strong-amid-new-report-of-domestic-police-call/article15560112/ So he's as popular as David Miller during the garbage strike. Quote
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