Rob Ford, mayor of Toronto UPDATES

Black Dog · March 27, 2013

Hey, it's up to them if they want to put their sales over their journalistic integrity. There's always room for another player in the tabloid market.

So you don't think the possibility that the mayor might have a drinking problem that is affecting his performance is real news? I suppose you'd rather they dig up hard-hitting stories about some left wing politico getting a handjob at a rub and tug 30 years ago.

Spiderfish · March 27, 2013

So you don't think the possibility that the mayor might have a drinking problem that is affecting his performance is real news? I suppose you'd rather they dig up hard-hitting stories about some left wing politico getting a handjob at a rub and tug 30 years ago.

I'm not sure what point you're even trying to make with this goofy presumption.

It doesn't matter what I think, I don't live in Toronto. The point I am trying to get at, which you don't seem to be getting, is that regardless of what Ford may or may not be dealing with personally, this was no place to grill him, and certainly no place to grill the guest of honour. Insulting an implied political view that you presume I hold doesn't change that. You should work for the Star, it seems you'd fit right in.

Edited March 27, 2013 by Spiderfish

Topaz · March 27, 2013

In my view, If Ford or someone close doesn't get through to him on his health he's going to die in office. A person can't be that huge and be healthy and since it now confirmed he does have Diabetes, he's in a high stress job, which will put the weight on a person and if he's is drinking, and taking medication, that's a no-no.!! So, if he can't make the right choices about himself, than how can he be fit to run a city?

Black Dog · March 27, 2013

I'm not sure what point you're even trying to make with this goofy presumption.

It doesn't matter what I think, I don't live in Toronto. The point I am trying to get at, which you don't seem to be getting, is that regardless of what Ford may or may not be dealing with personally, this was no place to grill him, and certainly no place to grill the guest of honour. Insulting an implied political view that you presume I hold doesn't change that. You should work for the Star, it seems you'd fit right in.

So a media event is not the time for the media to ask questions? Listen I've worked in the media in the distant past and I know and anyone who has ever organized a media event knows that the second you decide to allow questions, you face the possibility of getting questions you might not like or might not be related to the purpose of the event. That's life in the public eye.

Spiderfish · March 27, 2013

So a media event is not the time for the media to ask questions? Listen I've worked in the media in the distant past and I know and anyone who has ever organized a media event knows that the second you decide to allow questions, you face the possibility of getting questions you might not like or might not be related to the purpose of the event. That's life in the public eye.

Did you hold these journalistic views when handlers for David Suzuki had Sun reporter Jessica Hume kicked out of an open media forum and called 911 for asking a question last month?

Black Dog · March 27, 2013

Did you hold these journalistic views when handlers for David Suzuki had Sun reporter Jessica Hume kicked out of an open media forum and called 911 for asking a question last month?

Never heard about it. Sounds sketchy on Suzuki's part.

But here's the rub: your views are actually closer to Suzuki's on this one. He apparently booted unfriendly media out of his event. You want to be able to control what questions the media asks. You're both wrong.

Spiderfish · March 27, 2013

Never heard about it. Sounds sketchy on Suzuki's part.

But here's the rub: your views are actually closer to Suzuki's on this one. He apparently booted unfriendly media out of his event. You want to be able to control what questions the media asks. You're both wrong.

I never said that the Star reporter didn't have the right to harass Mr.Chuvalo, only that it was in poor taste and pathetic. I have no interest in trying to control what the media does, but their actions do reflect back on them.

As for the notion that Jessica Hume was unfriendly media that needed to be booted out of Suzuki's media event, she never even got the chance to ask a question before she was removed from the premises. Incidentally, I thought it was cool that Elizabeth May was the one who came to defend Sun. Apparently, Suzuki was the one being unfriendly.

I personally see a difference between a reporter that is invited to, and attends an open media forum to discuss environmental issues (which Sun went to participate in), and a reporter that is invited to a media event to honour a local legend, only to sidetrack the ceremony to harass and offend both the host and the guest of honour.

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WWWTT · March 27, 2013

The point I am trying to get at, which you don't seem to be getting, is that regardless of what Ford may or may not be dealing with personally, this was no place to grill him, and certainly no place to grill the guest of honour. Insulting an implied political view that you presume I hold doesn't change that. You should work for the Star, it seems you'd fit right in.

Sorry but you are dead wrong on that one.

Both characters knew that they were making a public announcement and that the press was there and would be asking questions.

Both are public figures and are fully aware of the nature of being such.

This is only more right wing "cry baby" tactics!

WWWTT

Spiderfish · March 27, 2013

Sorry but you are dead wrong on that one.

That's your opinion, and I respectfully disagree.

This is only more right wing "cry baby" tactics!

WWWTT

Actually, it's a difference in opinion. You think it's good form to turn an awards ceremony into a partisan gong show, and I don't. Again, I respectfully disagree with you.

WWWTT · March 28, 2013

Keep shooting the messenger(so to speak) on this new link here I'm providing.

http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2013/03/27/ainslie_email_details_what_happened_at_garrison_ball.html

Rob Ford is responsible for his actions!

The Toronto Star is doing a fine service for the constituents of Toronto.

If anyone wants to appear in public with Ford for whatever reason,do so at your own risk!

WWWTT

Edited March 28, 2013 by WWWTT

Shady · March 28, 2013

LOL, you guys are still fighting the last election. Get over it. You'll feel better.

BubberMiley · March 28, 2013

You mean the one that Romney lost? :lol:

Shady · March 28, 2013

You mean the one that Romney lost?

No, the one smitherman lost. Some people still can't get over it, several years later.

BubberMiley · March 28, 2013

Surely you can understand, given you're still fighting the American election---the one that your side lost. :lol:

Shady · March 28, 2013

Surely you can understand, given you're still fighting the American election---the one that your side lost.

Not sure what you're talking about. I haven't started a topic on Obama in quite a while. However, I do criticize his policies. If he smokes or drinks that's his business. Heck, he even said he used to do cocaine. Anyways, your ad hominem argument has grown tiresome as usual. Lets try to stick to the subject at hand.

BubberMiley · March 28, 2013

Not sure what you're talking about. I haven't started a topic on Obama in quite a while. However, I do criticize his policies. If he smokes or drinks that's his business. Heck, he even said he used to do cocaine. Anyways, your ad hominem argument has grown tiresome as usual. Lets try to stick to the subject at hand.

You bring up that people can't get over the last election as a debate point, and I am the one making an "ad hominem" argument? You really don't have a clue, do you? :lol:

WWWTT · March 28, 2013

LOL, you guys are still fighting the last election. Get over it. You'll feel better.

You sound a lot like American Woman and Bush_Cheney2004!

There is more and more evidence surfacing that Ford is an alcoholic.

So then you try to change the channels.

Nice try Shady,but the citizens of Toronto aren't going to forget about this come election time.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Doug F going down over this to.

If anyone wants to defend Ford now,do so at your own risk at.

WWWTT

Edited March 28, 2013 by WWWTT

WWWTT · March 28, 2013

Not sure what you're talking about. I haven't started a topic on Obama in quite a while. However, I do criticize his policies. If he smokes or drinks that's his business. Heck, he even said he used to do cocaine. Anyways, your ad hominem argument has grown tiresome as usual. Lets try to stick to the subject at hand.

No problem here either,what you do in the privacy of your own home is your business,the law even defends this position.

But once you step outside that door,whole different ball game there my friend!

Not just that,when you are a high profile politician,try focusing on your job!

WWWTT

Argus · March 28, 2013

We have a city councillor who was at the event who confirms the Stars' version of events. We have three members of council publicly acknowledging that Ford's drinking is a well-known issue in the corridors of City hall. On top of that we have his history. But sure, the Star is just making stuff up out of whole cloth.

Given Ford's personality, that he drinks and sometimes gets drunk is hardly a surprise. Now according to AA if you ever get drunk you're an alcoholic in need of their help, but most people's definition of the term is rather more narrow. I have known many people in my life who occasionally had too much to drink, and none of them, in my opinion, ever came close to being alcoholics. The politics in Toronto are venomous, and I don't find it very convincing that several councilors are delighted to talk about his 'drinking problem'. One thing I'm relatively certain of is that anyone who goes on the record saying they're concerned for Ford and want him to get help would be delighted to piss on his grave. That certainly includes the Star.

Black Dog · March 28, 2013

You mean the one that Romney lost?

He's still fighting the one McCain lost.

Black Dog · March 28, 2013

Given Ford's personality, that he drinks and sometimes gets drunk is hardly a surprise. Now according to AA if you ever get drunk you're an alcoholic in need of their help, but most people's definition of the term is rather more narrow. I have known many people in my life who occasionally had too much to drink, and none of them, in my opinion, ever came close to being alcoholics. The politics in Toronto are venomous, and I don't find it very convincing that several councilors are delighted to talk about his 'drinking problem'. One thing I'm relatively certain of is that anyone who goes on the record saying they're concerned for Ford and want him to get help would be delighted to piss on his grave. That certainly includes the Star.

It's not a question of Ford drinking. It's a question of Ford showing up to work shitfaced.

GostHacked · March 28, 2013

Not sure what you're talking about. I haven't started a topic on Obama in quite a while.

You don't know what is being talked about and yet, you say that you have not started an Obama thread indicating that you do in fact know what he is talking about.