Wilber Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 reading that makes me very happy Doesn't matter to me either way. It's their problem. Just seems an odd reason to miss much of what the rest of the world has to offer. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
wyly Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 Doesn't matter to me either way. It's their problem. Just seems an odd reason to miss much of what the rest of the world has to offer. they're an insular bunch which explains their twisted view of the world...I'd just as soon the gun fondlers stay within their borders...until 2000 only 15% of americans had passports and that number has only doubled since because of 911 and it's required for canada and mexico.... in 2009 53% of Canadians had passports Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Army Guy Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 The murder rate in Calgary is pretty low Army Guy, as with most major Canadian cities outside of the other 4 prairie cities...which in a world or even North American context, are still low.I have been to and walked around almost every major Canadian city. There are very few instances where I felt uncomfortable. Often, you make the situation yourself. Often, I find that people lack diplomacy, and tact. By not responding to those guys in the park, he probably made the situation worse than it had to be. But they have been there have they not, was your wife or girl friend been there at the same time, because that changes everything does it not. Diploomacy and tact, yes they are key, but when that fails and alot cases if they are drunk and being beligerent they are looking for trouble, and you can't tell me thats never happened in a Canadian city.... this guy is a trained professional and can spot those situations in a few seconds, so i tend to believe him when he says they approached in agressive manner...at this piont you have to make a decision fight or flight. he chose to stand his ground inform them he was not screwing around or wanted to be screwed with...the look of biwilderment, was them shocked someone called them on their antics... Yes it is pretty low, but it is not non existent to the piont you shopuld not take any precautions or atleast be alerted that it may happen. however according to states Can, Calgary has 800 violent crimes per 100,000 making it close to 8800 violent crimes per year. and while not the worst city in Canada it's actually one of the lowest, all that being said, how many violent crimes a day, is that....and when walking in the park with your wife it's not the first thing on your mind, but when you do get confronted by some aggresive punks what does come to your mind.... And if you and your wife were attacked, what would be going through your mind then...why does something have to happen before we take precautions...and why is it so bad to want to have some additional protection.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 cybercoma: The entire situation is made up. He made up the threat in his head because he's a coward. He certainly didn't need to respond to them. You come up to me on the street and start talking to me, I have no obligation to respond to you. I don't think that made the situation worse. I don't think there was a situation at all. I think he's a big crybaby that's used to having his safety blanket (gun) with him. WHy is he a coward, because he perfers to be armed, are all police officers cowards, or for that matter any one that uses a firearm as a tool....or is he a coward because you don't understand the why and anything we don't understand we label. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 Canuckistani I assume that anybody that whines that they need a gun when approached by strangers is living in way more paranoia than is good for them. The RCMP you mention are trained to not use their guns unless the other person has a weapon and represents a clear threat. They know there will be an inquiry into their actions, and they'd better have just cause. When they go home, they don't walk around armed, yet somehow manage to to stay cowering in their homes.If most people are carrying weapons while walking about, what are the crooks going to do? I know what I would do, draw and shoot first, before my victim can. It's just an escalation of violence, and, as we see from the statistics, that is exactly what happens down in paranoia land. Way more shootings. This police officer your talking about has the same training, and has years of experience to top that off if he said they were being aggresive i believe him. and he also knows he falls under much the same laws and is responsiable for his actions... A police officer can pull his wpn if he thinks there is a danger...the key is WHEN HE THINKS there is a danger....A RCMP officer is on duty 24 and 7 and can carry a firearm the entire time.... Just one question, how does the criminal know if i have a wpn or not, you just said he is just going to pull out his wpn and shoot me....regardless if i'm armed or not....If he has already made his mind to use his wpn and kill someone, why would it be so unfounded to atleast be able to defend yourself with a gun.... your logic makes no sense to me....we should just allow the crinimals shoot us because they think we are armed... It's not an escaltion of violence it's an equalizer of violence.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
cybercoma Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 (edited) cybercoma: WHy is he a coward, because he perfers to be armed, are all police officers cowards, or for that matter any one that uses a firearm as a tool....or is he a coward because you don't understand the why and anything we don't understand we label. I understand that as a civilian he doesn't feel safe unless he has a gun on him. That makes him a coward. Edited August 14, 2012 by cybercoma Quote
WWWTT Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 I guess if you act like any of these cops, you SHOULD be nervous. Warning graphic material. Ignoring it, does not make it go away. Ya I wouldn't be surprised that this Michigan cop felt uncomfortable since he was now in a position of not being able to beat/taser/shoot these guys into submission. I'm sure when you do a lot of questionable things you must always be wondering when the chickens are going to come home to roost. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
GostHacked Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 Ya I wouldn't be surprised that this Michigan cop felt uncomfortable since he was now in a position of not being able to beat/taser/shoot these guys into submission. I'm sure when you do a lot of questionable things you must always be wondering when the chickens are going to come home to roost. WWWTT I'd hate to live in a constant state of paranoia where you think everyone is out to get you. And in many cases you end up being scared because that the person carrying the weapon is the cop. In many of those videos the final reports were that the cops acted within regulations and proper force was administered. Nothing gets me more pissed than arrogant cops beat the hell out of someoone when their job is to simply restrain the suspect .. the courts decide the guilt and sentence. Here is another pisser ... http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.913075 Quote
Wilber Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 they're an insular bunch which explains their twisted view of the world...I'd just as soon the gun fondlers stay within their borders... until 2000 only 15% of americans had passports and that number has only doubled since because of 911 and it's required for canada and mexico.... in 2009 53% of Canadians had passports On the other hand, they don' t have to leave their own country to get warm in the winter Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Guest American Woman Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 they're an insular bunch which explains their twisted view of the world...I'd just as soon the gun fondlers stay within their borders... until 2000 only 15% of americans had passports and that number has only doubled since because of 911 and it's required for canada and mexico.... in 2009 53% of Canadians had passports So many Canadians had passports compared to Americans because Americans didn't need a passport to go to a warm, sunny climate. Do you really think all of those Canadians were traveling for the cultural experience? We have mountains, lakes, rivers, desert, forests, canyons, glaciers, and the tropics; we have it all. If Americans were limited to what Canadians are limited to geographically, I think it's a pretty safe bet that more Americans would have had passports, too. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 Ya I wouldn't be surprised that this Michigan cop felt uncomfortable since he was now in a position of not being able to beat/taser/shoot these guys into submission. I'm sure when you do a lot of questionable things you must always be wondering when the chickens are going to come home to roost. Do you have any proof that officer Wawra is guilty of doing any of the things you are accusing him of, any "questionable things," much less "a lot of questionable things?" Sounds like defamation of character to me. :angry: Quote
Canuckistani Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 So many Canadians had passports compared to Americans because Americans didn't need a passport to go to a warm, sunny climate. Do you really think all of those Canadians were traveling for the cultural experience? I don't think they went for culture, since gun culture isn't really that attractive. Quote
GostHacked Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 So many Canadians had passports compared to Americans because Americans didn't need a passport to go to a warm, sunny climate. Do you really think all of those Canadians were traveling for the cultural experience? We have mountains, lakes, rivers, desert, forests, canyons, glaciers, and the tropics; we have it all. If Americans were limited to what Canadians are limited to geographically, I think it's a pretty safe bet that more Americans would have had passports, too. Limited in geography? Sure sure. Quote
bleeding heart Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 Limited in geography? Sure sure. Yeah, that was an odd comment. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
The_Squid Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 So many Canadians had passports compared to Americans because Americans didn't need a passport to go to a warm, sunny climate. Do you really think all of those Canadians were traveling for the cultural experience? We have mountains, lakes, rivers, desert, forests, canyons, glaciers, and the tropics; we have it all. If Americans were limited to what Canadians are limited to geographically, I think it's a pretty safe bet that more Americans would have had passports, too. I agree with you for the most part, except for the attempted slight about "limited geography". That makes no sense. Limited warm weather is a huge motivator for prairie folks to go to Arizona and eastern folks to go to Florida. BC'ers don't really have the same winter habits as many Canadians. "it's the weather stupid". Plus most Canadians are a short distance from the border. I'm sure as you get further north in the USA that travel to Canada would be more common, although I have no stats to back this up. Quote
guyser Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 (edited) We have mountains, lakes, rivers, desert, forests, canyons, glaciers, and the tropics; we have it all. Check check check check check check check .....yea not at all. But it does get sunny in the OKanagan Edited August 14, 2012 by guyser Quote
The_Squid Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 Check check check check check check check .....yea not at all. But it does get sunny in the OKanagan I'm leaving my island to go to the interior next week! Can't wait! Time for mucho vino!! Quote
Guest American Woman Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 I agree with you for the most part, except for the attempted slight about "limited geography". How is reality a slight? Geography includes the natural features of an area and affects things such as the weather. Canada is much more limited in that regard than the U.S. is. Most countries are. The only other country that immediately comes to mind that geographically has all that the U.S. has is Argentina. It, too, has oceans and mountains and tropics and rain forests and glaciers etc. That makes no sense. Of course it makes sense. Furthermore, many Americans travel further to states such as Hawaii and Alaska and coast to coast and north to south than most nationalities do to visit several other countries. Geography certainly is a factor. Limited warm weather is a huge motivator for prairie folks to go to Arizona and eastern folks to go to Florida. BC'ers don't really have the same winter habits as many Canadians. So in other words, weather is a huge motivator for Canadians to get out of Canada - not culture. So the fact that so many more Canadians had passports than Americans doesn't mean much except that Canadians have to travel to another country for a warm weather excursion during the winter months. "it's the weather stupid". Plus most Canadians are a short distance from the border. I'm sure as you get further north in the USA that travel to Canada would be more common, although I have no stats to back this up. I would also think that is true, but it has nothing to do with the comment I was responding to - which had to do with travel outside one's country prior to passport requirements between our countries. Again. It's not an insult to Canada - it's a fact. The claim that Americans aren't as interested in other cultures as Canadians are because more Canadians had passports is an attempted insult - as many Canadians traveled outside of Canada for the weather. Seeking culture and seeking warm weather are two very different things - and Americans don't have to leave the country for warm weather. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 Check check check check check check check .....yea not at all. But it does get sunny in the OKanagan I would have no idea of what you are talking about (no surprise there, eh? ) - except I just read about a plane crash there. I'm sure it's very beautiful. I've never been to BC, but my daughters have, and loved it. I don't recall them describing it as tropical, though. lol Quote
guyser Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 I would have no idea of what you are talking about (no surprise there, eh? ) - except I just read about a plane crash there. Ran off to google, didnt know a plane crashed. Bummer I'm sure it's very beautiful. I've never been to BC, but my daughters have, and loved it. I don't recall them describing it as tropical, though. lol Its seemingly tropical only if coming via Yellowknife/Gjoa Haven/Alert in march. Otherwise, not at all. Quote
GostHacked Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 How is reality a slight? Geography includes the natural features of an area and affects things such as the weather. Canada is much more limited in that regard than the U.S. is. Most countries are. The only other country that immediately comes to mind that geographically has all that the U.S. has is Argentina. It, too, has oceans and mountains and tropics and rain forests and glaciers etc. Oh please tell me where the rain forests are in the USA? Of course it makes sense. Furthermore, many Americans travel further to states such as Hawaii and Alaska and coast to coast and north to south than most nationalities do to visit several other countries. Geography certainly is a factor. Hawaii and Alaska are not easily accessible by mainland USA'ers. Contiguously Canada has a more diverse climate than the contiguous USA. Quote
The_Squid Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 (edited) Oh please tell me where the rain forests are in the USA? Pacific northwest. Same climate as Canada's pacific southwest which creates huge rainforests. Temperate ones, but rainforests nonetheless. Edited August 14, 2012 by The_Squid Quote
Guest American Woman Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 Its seemingly tropical only if coming via Yellowknife/Gjoa Haven/Alert in march.Otherwise, not at all. I've heard of Yellowknife - I think it's referred to fairly often on "Arctic Air" (but will have to Google the others) - and would love to go there. As I've mentioned more than once, I think Canada is such a beautiful country and would love the opportunity to travel there as extensively as I have the U.S. My daughters both love it too, and we love road trips, so never say never, eh? I may get the opportunity some day. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 Pacific northwest. Same climate as Canada's pacific southwest which creates huge rainforests. Temperate ones, but rainforests nonetheless. Hawaii has rainforests, too. Of the tropical variety. Quote
GostHacked Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 Pacific northwest. Same climate as Canada's pacific southwest which creates huge rainforests. Temperate ones, but rainforests nonetheless. Ah so Canada has rainforests. Anyways, let's talk more about paranoid cops going to other countries. Quote
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