Michigan Cop visiting Calgary - what a world view!

[Canuckistani]

Guess he didn't realize Canadians would act like such a bunch of pompous A holes just because he was honest about feeling uncomfortable..

It's fun to be a pompous a hole with pussies like this guy. We don't need Americans trying to sneak in their guns because they don't feel comfortable. Stay at home and feel safe, in that case.

[Army Guy]

Research?

Listen buddy,I've been dealing with cops and involved in the justice system for well over 30 years!

And most of it has been good and helped me a tremendous amount!

Have you've read your posts, tell me they paint a postive response in ref to police officers....tell me they match the one you posted above....

"Nost of it has been good and helped me a tremendous amount"

Who are you to talk down to me telling me I need to do research?

Once again have you read your posts and your responses to AM, guess talking down or insulting police officers, americans is only good when your doing it. You have not provided one shred of evidence to back youer claim, making it your opinion....and well we all ready know what opinions are based on.

I am not one to blindly follow orders and never question the ones giving orders!

Nice come back, but then again you've assumed everything todate why change, cops, soldiers got anything else.

[Army Guy]

It's fun to be a pompous a hole with pussies like this guy. We don't need Americans trying to sneak in their guns because they don't feel comfortable. Stay at home and feel safe, in that case.

Well there it is ....we have confirmation chucki baby is being a dick.....who is taking part in our national past time slaming Americans.... Stand up give him a hand people....

[Guest American Woman]

Geez, all the guy said was he was uncomfortable not being armed which is normal where he comes from and all of a sudden he is a paranoid psycopath. I don't agree with him but I can't believe the moronic reaction of many Canadians.

That's been my stand from the beginning - the overreactions to those criticizing him for overreacting are ludicrous - and in many cases based on people's imaginations. He didn't act like a pompous jerk, he calmly walked away from the situation. As you said, he simply said that he felt uncomfortable not being armed, because he's a cop and as such is armed in the States.

I don't see what's wrong with that. You can always arm yourself with a knife if you are that paranoid. If you are paranoid walking around in what polls show is one of the most friendliest nations in the world without your weaponry attached, then yes, you are a paranoid psychopath.

Oh, please. Polls have nothing to do with crime statistics - but nice diagnosis there, doc. The idea that everyone should be comfortable walking around anywhere in Canada, regardless of who approaches them and how, is ludicrous, not to mention downright stupid. I doubt that the polls are any comfort the the victims of crime in Canada.

I don't know why some of you have such a need to think of your county as some sort of Camelot, where everything and everyone is friendly and lovable. Actually, I think I do know why, but that's another topic .....

Guess he doesn't read your polls. Guess he didn't realize Canadians would act like such a bunch of pompous A holes just because he was honest about feeling uncomfortable..

I agree. Or perhaps he's an intelligent person who realizes polls mean nothing. It doesn't matter how "friendly" the world perceives Canada to be - crime still occurs and anyone would be a fool to think nothing could happen to them in Canada because of polls. But yeah, a lot of Canadians, in response, have shown themselves to be anything but the 'tolerant, lovable Canadian' stereotype that the polls are apparently based on.

It's fun to be a pompous a hole with pussies like this guy. We don't need Americans trying to sneak in their guns because they don't feel comfortable. Stay at home and feel safe, in that case.

More nonsense that exists only in your head. Where does it say he tried to sneak his gun in?

Once again have you read your posts and your responses to AM, guess talking down or insulting police officers, americans is only good when your doing it. You have not provided one shred of evidence to back youer claim, making it your opinion....and well we all ready know what opinions are based on.

Exactly. I've given him plenty of opportunity to prove his claim. I even gave him the opportunity to set the bar for what makes up "lots," saying we can then apply those standards to all people, groups, organizations, nationalities, religions, etc. - but he's refused to answer. My guess is because he would never stand for his "standards" being applied to anyone else.

Well there it is ....we have confirmation chucki baby is being a dick.....who is taking part in our national past time slaming Americans.... Stand up give him a hand people....

I figured out awhile ago that Canuckistani is anti-American. Some Canadians who will go out of their way, tripping over themselves in an effort to convince the rest of the world of how wonderful Canadians are, will bash Americans at the drop of a hat - and that is perfectly a-ok; there's a tolerance for intolerance towards Americans.

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'Canadians - tolerant of everyone and everything except Americans.' There's a slogan for some of you. You know who you are.

[Wilber]

It's fun to be a pompous a hole with pussies like this guy. We don't need Americans trying to sneak in their guns because they don't feel comfortable. Stay at home and feel safe, in that case.

But then he didn't try to sneek anything in did he, so why make stuff up.

[Canuckistani]

But then he didn't try to sneek anything in did he, so why make stuff up.

Literal minded much? He speaks for all the Americans who do sneak guns in because they're so damn paranoid. We don't need em or want em.

[Wilber]

Literal minded much? He speaks for all the Americans who do sneak guns in because they're so damn paranoid. We don't need em or want em.

Do you have anything worthwhile to say that doesn't involve making stuff up?

Edited August 18, 2012 by Wilber

[Canuckistani]

Do you have anything worthwhile to say that doesn't involve making stuff up?

You're not really claiming that Americans are not trying to sneak in guns at the border, are you. Of course there's the smugglers, but I'm talking about ordinary citizens who just can't let go of their guns. Like the two seniors who had 5 guns (3 loaded handguns) between them because they heard northern Canada was like the wild west. Or the Toronto lawyer who tells his American clients to plead cultural differences is what made them do it - ie he's got a does this so often he's figured out a new defense for his clients. Or the guy in Alberta that got busted with 70 guns.

Are you American or Canadian. If the latter I can't see how you can be unaware of Americans sneaking in their guns. For every gun that's seized, how many do you think make it across?

Edited August 18, 2012 by Canuckistani

[Guest American Woman]

Are you American or Canadian. If the latter I can't see how you can be unaware of Americans sneaking in their guns. For every gun that's seized, how many do you think make it across?

Good. God. Wilber didn't say that Americans don't ever sneak guns into Canada (Canadians also "sneak" guns from the U.S. into Canada, in case you are truly unaware) - he's saying that the cop in question can't "speak for them" because he didn't sneak a gun into Canada nor did he say he wanted to. How can he "speak for" something that he didn't do??

[Wilber]

You're not really claiming that Americans are not trying to sneak in guns at the border, are you. Of course there's the smugglers, but I'm talking about ordinary citizens who just can't let go of their guns. Like the two seniors who had 5 guns (3 loaded handguns) between them because they heard northern Canada was like the wild west. Or the Toronto lawyer who tells his American clients to plead cultural differences is what made them do it - ie he's got a does this so often he's figured out a new defense for his clients. Or the guy in Alberta that got busted with 70 guns.

Are you American or Canadian. If the latter I can't see how you can be unaware of Americans sneaking in their guns. For every gun that's seized, how many do you think make it across?

If you want a thread about Americans sneaking guns into Canada, start one. This topic is about someone who didn't sneak anything in.

[Army Guy]

There is a massive cross border wpn market and guess who is buying them "Canadians"

[jbg]

So, some police officer was visiting Calgary during the Stampede and, well, lets just quote this portion from the link:

I find it interesting how we have these different world views.

The paranoia of the Michigan cop (which very well could be reasonable where he comes from) vs the assumed "good intentions until they show otherwise" attitude of the Calgarian expressed above.

I wonder to what extent such psychology plays in the gun control vs gun ownership debate?

I don't know that body language is all that different in our countries. I used to be for gun control but now see it as a bad idea. It gives criminals the assurance that anyone they attack is unarmed. Even if they don't have a gun, it still gives them a "security factor" that gives the attacker the edge since the victim is generally not on his guard.

[Guest American Woman]

There is a massive cross border wpn market and guess who is buying them "Canadians"

Canada is experiencing a rise in gun violence; Toronto has definitely had to deal with gun more violence this summer. Canadian headlines compare it to the U.S., though, concluding how "safe" Canadian cities (still) are. Why the comparison? Why the need to feel it's "safe" because it's "worse" in the United States?

The fact that it's happening, and the increase in crime, should be the focus - not comparing it to the U.S.* There is a rising problem with gun violence in Canada and some Canadians would like to be able to protect themselves against it - with the right to carry. Yet this one American makes headlines and is ridiculed for his comments. Again. The response has been totally an overreaction, often based on incorrect information or pure conjecture.

As I've said, the victims of gun violence in Canada, their families and friends, are not any less affected because "it's worse in the U.S."

*The U.S. has had a different history from Canada, creating our own unique problems and as Canada gets more diverse in different areas, different problems arise, and Canada will have to deal with its problems, unique from America's but unique from Canada's past, also - not continually compare itself to the U.S. and comfort itself with how "safe" it is and how terrible and full of paranoia it is in the U.S. The reverse is also true; the answer to our problems isn't to look at Canada as evidence that the right to carry should be abolished.

Edited August 19, 2012 by American Woman

[cybercoma]

Why the comparison? Why the need to feel it's "safe" because it's "worse" in the United States?

Says the poster that constantly makes comparisons to other nations when America is called out on their actions.

[Canuckistani]

Homicide rate, Toronto: 1.59 Detroit: 48.2

Toronto has had a couple of very public, brazen, shootouts this year, that get splashed across the media. It's actually a very safe city.

[Guest American Woman]

Homicide rate, Toronto: 1.59 Detroit: 48.2

Toronto has had a couple of very public, brazen, shootouts this year, that get splashed across the media. It's actually a very safe city.

Yep. And here we go. As long as it's worse than Detroit, it's "safe." The increase is not evidence of an escalating problem that should concern Canadians. Nope. It's worse in Detroit - which is like comparing apples to oranges - so all is fine in Camelot.

And fyi, Toronto had more than "a couple" of shootouts this summer. From less than a month ago:

On Friday night in Toronto, people marched for peace. Then the shooting began anew.

....before the night was over, three separate shootings across the city had sent four people to hospital.

There were six shootings just in that week. But of course "it's worse in Detroit." So all's well.

Edited to add: There's a petition to the government to allow Canadians to carry - some Canadians don't like the feeling of not being able to protect themselves and feel vulnerable. It's not just this one American who feels that way.

Edited August 19, 2012 by American Woman

[Wilber]

The fact that it's happening, and the increase in crime, should be the focus - not comparing it to the U.S.* There is a rising problem with gun violence in Canada and some Canadians would like to be able to protect themselves against it - with the right to carry. Yet this one American makes headlines and is ridiculed for his comments. Again. The response has been totally an overreaction, often based on incorrect information or pure conjecture.

I'm not going to get into a gun control debate or who is safer than who. That subject gets beat to death. There are always some people everywhere that would like the right to carry but, if you think Canadians are secretly yearning to be liberated from gun control laws, you are deluding yourself. As nations, we really do see this issue differently.

[Guest American Woman]

I'm not going to get into a gun control debate or who is safer than who. That subject gets beat to death. There are always some people everywhere that would like the right to carry but, if you think Canadians are secretly yearning to be liberated from gun control laws, you are deluding yourself. As nations, we really do see this issue differently.

Of course I don't think "Canadians are secretly yearning;" some are very openly trying to achieve it, as others are buying and selling on the 'black market.' The majority, I realize, are content with the way things are and I've never indicated that I think otherwise. As I've often pointed out, our nations have different histories and different ideals in some respects. To each their own. It's the obsession with concluding that there are 'no worries' regarding safety and crime in Canada because "it's worse in the U.S." that I was taking issue with - along with the attacks directed at this cop for feeling the need to carry in Canada. One American. As there are Canadians who also would like that right.

Edited August 19, 2012 by American Woman

[cybercoma]

Where do you suppose it's easier to get a gun on the black market: US or Can?

[WWWTT]

Have you've read your posts, tell me they paint a postive response in ref to police officers....tell me they match the one you posted above....

Nope sorry not my job to pat the cops on the back when they do their job.

And why should it be?

I work construction where there are more deaths and injuries and I don't get a pat on the back,why do cops deserve one from me?

If the all the police forces in Canada and the US were never abusing their power then there would be very few complaining and no footage of cops behaving poorly.Are you suggesting that those complaining have nothing?

That's funny because the police respond to complaints that come in.

Not just that,in the real world the complaints against the police must be brought to civil court actions and there isn't anything you can say that will prevent that from happening.

WWWTT

[Canuckistani]

Yep. And here we go. As long as it's worse than Detroit, it's "safe." The increase is not evidence of an escalating problem that should concern Canadians. Nope. It's worse in Detroit - which is like comparing apples to oranges - so all is fine in Camelot.

And fyi, Toronto had more than "a couple" of shootouts this summer. From less than a month ago:

On Friday night in Toronto, people marched for peace. Then the shooting began anew.

....before the night was over, three separate shootings across the city had sent four people to hospital.

There were six shootings just in that week. But of course "it's worse in Detroit." So all's well.

Edited to add: There's a petition to the government to allow Canadians to carry - some Canadians don't like the feeling of not being able to protect themselves and feel vulnerable. It's not just this one American who feels that way.

Shootings are not homicides. Let me turn the tables on you and demand that you provide statistics of an escalating problem. A rate of 1.59 for 2011 is pretty low - what are you saying the homicide rate has shot up to date for 2012? Let's say it's doubles (very very doubtful), that would be 3.18 Compare that to Detroit. The homicide rate in Toronto has been declining, I doubt by the end of the year it will be any higher at all. There were 6 shootings in that week, how many shootings were there in the whole year? Compare that too shootings in Detroit, a smaller city but near to Toronto. There's just no comparison, so yes, things are pretty good for a large city. Where exactly is it better?

I got the 1.59 figure from this article:

By the numbers: Toronto’s murder rate drops sharply in 2011

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/12/30/by-the-numbers-torontos-murder-drops-sharply-in-2011/ So in 2011 the murder rate dropped sharply, but you have info that in 2012 it's risen sharply? Even if true, doesn't that just mean on average it's stayed the same?

[Guest American Woman]

Shootings are not homicides.

o.m.g. So as long as the people are fortunate enough to survive a shooting, it's considered a safe situation? That has got to be about the most ignorant comment yet.

Let me turn the tables on you and demand that you provide statistics of an escalating problem.

Take your response to me and apply it to this situation.

A rate of 1.59 for 2011 is pretty low - what are you saying the homicide rate has shot up to date for 2012? Let's say it's doubles (very very doubtful), that would be 3.18 Compare that to Detroit.

Again, you prove my point. Your response is to compare it to the United States and by doing so, dismiss the seriousness of it. Here's a slogan for you: 'Yes, we have a gun problem, but it's worse in the States - so ya'll have nothing to worry about in Canada.'

The homicide rate in Toronto has been declining, I doubt by the end of the year it will be any higher at all.

I'm sure that your "doubts" are all that people need to feel safe in Toronto. Perhaps you should get that message out there, eh?

There were 6 shootings in that week, how many shootings were there in the whole year? Compare that too shootings in Detroit, a smaller city but near to Toronto. There's just no comparison, so yes, things are pretty good for a large city. Where exactly is it better?

You just keep proving my point. Do you not even realize that?

[Canuckistani]

You just keep proving my point. Do you not even realize that?

Only in your dreams. You have no evidence that the homicide rate will be any higher for 2012, and since it has declined for 11 years, even a slight uptick wouldn't mean much. Show me a large city that does better than Toronto - you want to keep wringing your hands about a large city that has such a low homicide rate, be my guest.

Shootings happen everywhere. You say 6 shootings in a week, well what is it in another comparable city? What is the total number of shootings in a year? How many shootings in Detroit? You want to compare shooting statistics, feel free.

Sounds like you'll keep wringing your hands about TO until there's no crime at all, if then. Stupid.

Edited August 19, 2012 by Canuckistani

[Guest American Woman]

Only in your dreams. You have no evidence that the homicide rate will be any higher for 2012, and since it has declined for 11 years, even a slight uptick wouldn't mean much. Show me a large city that does better than Toronto - you want to keep wringing your hands about a large city that has such a low homicide rate, be my guest.

Shootings happen everywhere. You say 6 shootings in a week, well what is it in another comparable city. How many shootings in Detroit? You want to compare shooting statistics, feel free.

Sounds like you'll keep wringing your hands about TO until there's no crime at all, if then. Stupid.

Again, you prove my point.

[Wilber]

I don't know that body language is all that different in our countries. I used to be for gun control but now see it as a bad idea. It gives criminals the assurance that anyone they attack is unarmed. Even if they don't have a gun, it still gives them a "security factor" that gives the attacker the edge since the victim is generally not on his guard.

A big problem of ours is the vast majority of restricted and prohibited weapons in Canada come from you lot. If it ever became necessary be armed in Canada, it wouldn't be totally unreasonable to say that your lax gun laws were a big factor in making it so.