Syrian Civil War

[bush_cheney2004]

By starting the sanction ball rolling.

The "sanction ball" ? Doesn't true sanctioning begin at home ? Lead Canada...LEAD !! Don't depend on the evil USA to do it.

[GostHacked]

The "sanction ball" ? Doesn't true sanctioning begin at home ? Lead Canada...LEAD !! Don't depend on the evil USA to do it.

Yeah did not think the great USA was up to such an easy challenge.

[jbg]

The only thing we should be doing is placing sanctions on countries that supply material and financial aid to dictators.

The problem with sanctions is they are inevitably relaxed if they work. Success in sanctioning creates a humanitarian crisis since the dictator keeps fighting and diverts resources, starving the people.

[Jeff M]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/20/us-ambassador-to-syria-no-evidence-chemical-weapon-use-will-not-arm-rebels/

If the rebels are the one to use chemical weapons where do they stand on that? Would they discontinue supporting the rebels?

It's pretty clear that it's the terrorists fighting against Assad's government that are using chem/bio weapons. Del Ponte as much as said that before she disappeared from the scene. But in any case, it's now a situation where the West has gone silent on the war as it's too politically embarrassing for the West to support the terrorists.

This could have been easily prevented if the zionist regime had accepted Syria's inroads to peace. The zionist regime sees this as a stepping stone to Iran and it won't stop until the US is coerced by it's internal Zionist lobbies to destroy Iran too.

Apparently all that will happen now is that the US will continue to aid the terrorist side against Assad in order to pacify the Zionists.

(in each instance where I have used the word 'zionist', it was done intentionally in order to separate ordinary peaceloving Israelis/Jews from the evil warmongering element.)

Edited June 12, 2013 by Jeff M

[Jeff M]

The problem with sanctions is they are inevitably relaxed if they work. Success in sanctioning creates a humanitarian crisis since the dictator keeps fighting and diverts resources, starving the people.

Is it time to send in the ground troops jbg?

Also, it probably needs to be made clear right now, the Assad regime is popular with the people of Syria and has been right from the start. Any problems were of the US/Zionist's making as Syria is considered a stepping stone to war against Iran.

Edited June 12, 2013 by Jeff M

[Jeff M]

Today's news from RT.

Elderly, children among at least 60 killed in Syrian ‘massacre’

Syrian rebels attacked a village in the country's eastern Deir el-Zour province, killing dozens of Shiites, mostly pro-government fighters, activists said Wednesday. A Syrian government official denounced the attack, saying it was a "massacre" of civilians. The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said at least 60 people were killed in the village of Hatla on Tuesday. Thousands of rebels took part in the attack and at least 10 of them were killed in the fighting, said the Observatory. In Damascus, a government official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media, said the rebels "carried out a massacre against villagers in which older people and children were killed," AP reported. The fighting in Deir el-Zour came one week after Syrian troops captured the strategic town of Qusair near the Lebanese border after nearly three weeks of fierce battles that killed dozens of fighters on both sides.

Terrorist rats from other countries showing their true colours in Syria. And that's who the US is going to give more weapons to?

[DogOnPorch]

Is it time to send in the ground troops jbg?

Also, it probably needs to be made clear right now, the Assad regime is popular with the people of Syria and has been right from the start. Any problems were of the US/Zionist's making as Syria is considered a stepping stone to war against Iran.

If you ask me, the "Zionists" are happy to have both sides beat the ever-lovin' bejeezez out of each other. As long as its distant thunder...and nobody is mixing up the VX nerve agents...etc.

[Jeff M]

If you ask me, the "Zionists" are happy to have both sides beat the ever-lovin' bejeezez out of each other. As long as its distant thunder...and nobody is mixing up the VX nerve agents...etc.

Yes, but their ultimate goal is to have Iran neutralized by the US and then there will be no ME threat to their expansionist apartheid regime. However, a big sea change could be on it's way for them now as the US is hesitating to do their bidding. Mostly because of an American realization that it's not in their future best interests to continue the policies of unfairness to the Palestinian people. This I believe, is due to Obama's leadership, but that is hotly debated on other forums especially European now. Obama is hotly condemned along with his country.

And so, if we accept that Syria is a stepping stone to Iran for both the zionists and the US, we can see that big trouble for Israel's status quo is in the making.

In any case, it's inevitable that the ME will eventually have an Arab country that is totally nuclear capable. This is a very desirable outcome in my opinion because it's absolutely certain that nukes in the hands of Iran would obviously be used as a deterrent to more US aggression. It's also obvious why the US/Israel must stop it at all costs.

A brighter day for world peace is in the offing. A great topic for discussion here if Zionist screaming of anti-Semitism is not acceptable censorship on this forum. And the hot topic at the moment is obviously the success/failure of Western interfering in that conflict. On a very positive note, Russia is appearing to be more and more on the side of right as the facts continue to come out on how it's the terrorists, Al Quaida, foreign rats, etc., that are the real enemies of the Assad regime. Certainly not his own people who are in the majority on his side now.

[bush_cheney2004]

...In any case, it's inevitable that the ME will eventually have an Arab country that is totally nuclear capable. This is a very desirable outcome in my opinion because it's absolutely certain that nukes in the hands of Iran would obviously be used as a deterrent to more US aggression. It's also obvious why the US/Israel must stop it at all costs.

This is a false notion, as Pakistan has nuclear weapons (thanks Canada !), but the U.S. has been prosecuting a drone war on Pakistan's sovereign territory for years. They are called "Hellfire" missiles for a reason.

Deterrent....not !

[DogOnPorch]

This is a false notion, as Pakistan has nuclear weapons (thanks Canada !), but the U.S. has been prosecuting a drone war on Pakistan's sovereign territory for years. They are called "Hellfire" missiles for a reason.

Deterrent....not !

Damnit, Jim. It's the Zionists from Ceti Alpha 7 that are the issue in Syria. Must I insert mind worms?

[jbg]

Is it time to send in the ground troops jbg?

Also, it probably needs to be made clear right now, the Assad regime is popular with the people of Syria and has been right from the start. Any problems were of the US/Zionist's making as Syria is considered a stepping stone to war against Iran.

Are you taking over from Hudson Jones, dub, bud and naomiglover?

[ReeferMadness]

This is a false notion, as Pakistan has nuclear weapons (thanks Canada !), but the U.S. has been prosecuting a drone war on Pakistan's sovereign territory for years. They are called "Hellfire" missiles for a reason.

Deterrent....not !

Not a good example. The relationship between Pakistan and the US is complicated (arms trade, some commonality of political purpose, etc). And drones are not an invasion.

Talk to us again when the US sends ground troops.

[bush_cheney2004]

Not a good example. The relationship between Pakistan and the US is complicated (arms trade, some commonality of political purpose, etc). And drones are not an invasion.

Talk to us again when the US sends ground troops.

Nothing magic about "ground troops" when it comes to nuclear weapons or deterrence. It's called "conventional warfare" for a reason.

Non-nuclear power Argentina attacked and invaded the U.K.'s Falkland Islands (Las Malvinas) in 1982.

Edited June 14, 2013 by bush_cheney2004

[GostHacked]

This can no longer be considered a civil war.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/14/assad-use-chemical-weapons-confirmed-us-officials-say/

Now the chemical weapons use is still in question as it still could be the rebels used chemical weapons and try to pin it on Assad.

Pentagon officials told FoxNews.com that they did not expect immediate U.S. military action. However, the Associated Press reported Thursday night that U.S. officials had confirmed that President Obama authorized sending weapons to Syrian rebels for the first time.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., one of the strongest proponents of U.S. military action in Syria, said he was told Thursday that Obama had decided to "provide arms to the rebels," a decision confirmed by three U.S. officials, AP said. The officials cautioned that no decisions had been made on the specific type of weaponry or when it would reach the Syrian rebels, who are under increasing assault from Assad's forces.

If they were not arming them before, the US will arm them now. Might be a reaction to the turmoil in Turkey which could be a risk to the support of the rebels.

Might see a push for a no-fly zone, but that will mean direct support from the US and other NATO members. Here we go again!!!

[bush_cheney2004]

I'm still waiting for that good 'ole "Canadian Soft Power" and "Responsibility to Protect" to save the day in Syria. Michael Ignatieff is probably writing another book

[Hudson Jones]

No kidding

[GostHacked]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57590531/u.s-training-syrian-rebels-at-secret-bases/

(CBS News) WASHINGTON -- Since late last year, the CIA has been training small numbers of Syrian rebels at secret bases in Turkey and Jordan, CBS News has confirmed.

The training has included the use of anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons, which have been provided by Arab countries, and which the rebels say they badly need to counter the firepower of the Syrian army.

So far, you'd have to say the training hasn't succeeded, since in the past several weeks, the tide of battle has turned in favor of the government forces.

The reason we don't see them running around with M-16s is because that would be a little too obvious.

[GostHacked]

This is NOT a civil war.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/06/22/syria-qatar-talks.html

The U.S. and its Arab and European allies agreed on Saturday to do more to help the embattled rebels trying to oust Syrian President Bashar Assad, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said.

While he offered no specifics about stepped-up military and humanitarian aid, Kerry said the assistance would help change the balance on the battlefield of the civil war where regime forces have scored recent victories.

At a meeting of nearly a dozen of his counterparts, Kerry blamed Assad for the deteriorating situation in Syria where more than 93,000 people have died in a two-year civil war. He denounced Assad for inviting Iranian and Hezbollah fighters to battle alongside his troops and said the Syrian president risked turning the war into a regional sectarian conflict.

Hypocrites to arm the rebels while denouncing Iran and Russia helping out Assad.

[dre]

I guess we will be seeing these western countries added to the list of state sponsors of terrorism now?

[GostHacked]

I guess we will be seeing these western countries added to the list of state sponsors of terrorism now?

Hard to know who the real terrorists are these days.

[-TSS-]

No kidding

Someone, let's say Obama or at least Kerry, should answer that question.

[GostHacked]

These are the kind of rebels we are supporting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23139784

Seems like the Rebels love some Sharia Law. Who are the real terrorists again?

[GostHacked]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23258792

So now we have a risk of the Al-Queda like FSA Rebels to attack western targets with the chemical weapons.

Al-Qaeda and "individual jihadists" are both seen as a threat, it added.

"There is a risk of extremist elements in Syria taking advantage of the permissive environment to develop external attack plans, including against Western targets," the ISC, which oversees the work of the intelligence agencies, said in its annual report.

So when do we stop backing these rebels?

[DogOnPorch]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23258792

So now we have a risk of the Al-Queda like FSA Rebels to attack western targets with the chemical weapons.

So when do we stop backing these rebels?

Are we supporting these rebels? I thought Canada cut off relations with the Assad government but has yet to actually send weapons/troops/etc to any opposition forces. Perhaps I'm mistaken...

[GostHacked]

Are we supporting these rebels?

As a part of NATO, yes we are.