punked Posted January 29, 2012 Report Posted January 29, 2012 Not all Obama supporters are socialists though, eh? I agree I think most socialist hate Obama that was my point. Quote
cybercoma Posted January 29, 2012 Report Posted January 29, 2012 Forget socialists. A growing number of progressives are frustrated with him. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted January 29, 2012 Report Posted January 29, 2012 I agree I think most socialist hate Obama that was my point. You said no socialist get upset, so your point was difficult to see. Fact is, supporters who aren't socialists get annoyed with the "socialist" accusation - which was my point. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted January 29, 2012 Report Posted January 29, 2012 And yet Gingrich still insists that Romney would a significant improvement as President than Obama. Of course he's going to insist that - Newt and Romney are both Republicans. Quote
punked Posted January 29, 2012 Report Posted January 29, 2012 (edited) "I am Mitt Romney and I love Obamacare"..............at least I did 4 years ago. Edited January 29, 2012 by punked Quote
Shady Posted January 29, 2012 Report Posted January 29, 2012 New USA Today poll in swing states: Romney 48% Obama 47% USA Today I'd say that's pretty good considering all of the negative ads that Romney has faced over the past few weeks. Once the primary's over and the attention turns to Obama, the lead should increase. I'd say Romney wins in the general election 51% to 48%. Something along those lines. Quote
waldo Posted January 29, 2012 Report Posted January 29, 2012 I'd say that's pretty good considering all of the negative ads that Romney has faced over the past few weeks. Once the primary's over and the attention turns to Obama, the lead should increase. I'd say Romney wins in the general election 51% to 48%. Something along those lines. whaaa! Just a few days back I believe you said Obama was likely to win (I believe it was you; correct me if I'm wrong). Does it just take a single poll to get you back on the Romney bandwagon? You do realize the 2-way campaign hasn't actually started yet, right? Quote
Guest American Woman Posted January 29, 2012 Report Posted January 29, 2012 I'd say Romney wins in the general election 51% to 48%. Something along those lines. And I'd say reverse that and you'll be closer to the reality. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 29, 2012 Report Posted January 29, 2012 I'd say Romney wins in the general election 51% to 48%. Something along those lines. Not going to happen that way with Electoral College math. Sure, Obama will lose some of those swing states, but not all of them, and certainly not NY or CA. Meanwhile, the Republicans have not been this divisive since Goldwater in '64, and probably won't get their act together. Obama's eroded base has nowhere else to go. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
capricorn Posted January 29, 2012 Report Posted January 29, 2012 New USA Today poll in swing states: Romney 48% Obama 47% USA Today I'd say that's pretty good considering all of the negative ads that Romney has faced over the past few weeks. Seems to me, those ads and the pointed attacks Romney faced from Gingrich in the debates have made him more tough skinned. Should he win the nomination, which I expect, this toughening up will serve him well when he comes up against Obama. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Shady Posted January 29, 2012 Report Posted January 29, 2012 Just a few days back I believe you said Obama was likely to win I said the odds are that an incumbent President usually wins. Not going to happen that way with Electoral College math. Sure, Obama will lose some of those swing states, but not all of them, and certainly not NY or CA. Meanwhile, the Republicans have not been this divisive since Goldwater in '64, and probably won't get their act together. Obama's eroded base has nowhere else to go. That's ok, NY and CA aren't really swing states anyways. They almost always go Dem even when Republicans win. I've taken a look at the electoral college math, and it's a big challenge for Obama this time around. There's so many states he won last time that he won't be winning this time around. I believe Virginia, Indiana, South Carolina, Florida and Iowa. Republicans have been divisive, but so were the Democrats last time around. Clinton and Obama were at eachothers throats. In the end, when the primary's over, Republican's have no where to go either. And Obama's base has no where to go, but some of them could very well stay home. Last campaign, Obama had no record to have to defend, had the whole hope n change thing going, and a deeply unpopular Republican President to run against. And all he managed to get was 52% of the vote. It's going to be lower this time around, that's for sure. I just don't see him getting above 50%. Although I suppose he could win a 50% - 49% type election. And I'd say reverse that and you'll be closer to the reality. Well, we'll just have to see won't we. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 29, 2012 Report Posted January 29, 2012 ...Last campaign, Obama had no record to have to defend, had the whole hope n change thing going, and a deeply unpopular Republican President to run against. And all he managed to get was 52% of the vote. It's going to be lower this time around, that's for sure. I just don't see him getting above 50%. Although I suppose he could win a 50% - 49% type election. President Obama has also used those three years to become a known quantity, and likable fellow just like George Bush. He can ask President Reagan's question about being better off and get some, not all, affirmative responses. GM is #1 again! I don't see any of these Republican stiffs beating him in the general. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jbg Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 That's ok, NY and CA aren't really swing states anyways. They almost always go Dem even when Republicans win. I've taken a look at the electoral college math, and it's a big challenge for Obama this time around. There's so many states he won last time that he won't be winning this time around. I believe Virginia, Indiana, South Carolina, Florida and Iowa. I am personally shocked at the number of fellow Democrats who say they want to vote for Romney. We'll see if they do in the end. I think Romney wins this election and wins convincingly. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
LonJowett Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 I am personally shocked at the number of fellow Democrats who say they want to vote for Romney. That's probably because your "fellow democrats" would be called "Republicans." Quote Oliver: Now why did you get two tickets to Chicago when you know that I wanted to spend my honeymoon in Saskatchewan? Stanley: Well, the man said there was no such place as sus - -Swee - Sas...
jbg Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 That's probably because your "fellow democrats" would be called "Republicans." Not at all. Jewish people in the U.S. are overwhelmingly Democratic. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
-TSS- Posted January 31, 2012 Report Posted January 31, 2012 I wonder why Santorum and Paul are not even contesting in Florida, after all it is a big and important state and yields a lot of delegates. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 Romney wins in Florida by a very big margin. I guess he'll be winning most of the rest of states unless Newt can pull off front-page debate responses days before the voting. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
jbg Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 I wonder why Santorum and Paul are not even contesting in Florida, after all it is a big and important state and yields a lot of delegates. Because of the winner take all rule, essentially. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
The_Squid Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 Because of the winner take all rule, essentially. It's not necessarily winner-take-all in FLA. Quote
jbg Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 It's not necessarily winner-take-all in FLA. That's not my understanding. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
capricorn Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 Seems to me, those ads and the pointed attacks Romney faced from Gingrich in the debates have made him more tough skinned. Should he win the nomination, which I expect, this toughening up will serve him well when he comes up against Obama. Yes, I am quoting myself. I am assigning myself a star because in his victory speech tonight, Romney touched on the very thoughts I had when I posted the above. "A competitive primary does not divide us. It prepares us," Romney said after a relentlessly negative fight for all of Florida's delegates to the GOP nominating convention this summer.He suggested that negative attacks by the remaining candidates in the race — Gingrich, former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum and Texas Rep. Ron Paul — would be a test for his candidacy that would prepare him for the general election rather than a gift to Democratic President Barack Obama. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iuSwxjp9heZwsCRJJlIImdyhzy3g?docId=e8b2c039957d4692b46eca73a7d5186c Humility is such an overrated quality. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
The_Squid Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 That's not my understanding. Maybe.... Now, it’s important to note that not everyone agrees with the RNC’s position in this matter. Some members of the RNC have suggested they may challenge Florida’s winner-take-all status at the party’s August convention in ... wait for it ... Florida! The Tampa Bay Times’s Adam C. Smith had a good take on this controversy recently.This is why, when former RNC chairman Michael Steele said on MSNBC today that Florida was not a winner-take-all state, eyebrows were raised. “Florida’s proportional,” said Steele, who opposes Florida’s winner-take-all status. “Florida violated the April 1st rule of the RNC, Rule 15, and their delegates, whatever number’s apportioned to them, will be proportional for the candidates.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/floridas-winner-take-all-delegate-situation-explained/2012/01/31/gIQAXWhRfQ_blog.html Quote
jbg Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 Maybe.... http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/floridas-winner-take-all-delegate-situation-explained/2012/01/31/gIQAXWhRfQ_blog.html The problem with the opposition to winner take all is that the convention will arrive way too late to do anything about it, except in the unlikely chance that Romney and a challenger are within 20 or so delegates. Preventing FL from using "winner take all" in other words won't make a difference except for that highly unlikely scenario. It will be a moot point. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
cybercoma Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 I'm not sure Romney can find the United States on a map, considering he sent a bunch of American jobs overseas and he seems to keep his bank accounts overseas too. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 I'm not sure Romney can find the United States on a map... Don't worry...Michael Ignatieff can help Romney find it. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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