Rampant antisemitism remains prevalent

[Bonam]

So I was reading this article on CNN about the protests in Israel:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/08/07/israel.protests/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

Nothing wrong with the article at all, just presenting the story of what's going on there. Then I scroll down to the comments and the first page is filled with such gems as:

stealing amnd murdering palestinians no longer is sufficiant. not even selling palestinians body parts. siczionists always up to no good. charity us 3billion and free weapons still not enough for this greedy khazar monster

republicunt democrap is a jew deceit method used on stupid people. jew vermin create make believe parties in order to keep population divided and dumbed down while both parties do dirty job for jew vermin and shitrael. nothing will change until we slay every jew and enough of politically correct bs

Israel is a Godless leech-nation and once Ron Paul gets into office their funds will disappear and so will they and nothing of value will be lost.

Isreal-Isnot must form a team to implement a plan to vacate the the Middle Eastern land that they (Poland, Germany, USA, etc..) STOLE FROM the Palestinean Peoples. AMEN

bank of israel now will be the new logo on US dollar . obummer have to prostate to zionist and say yes master to be reelected 2nd term or have to go back to kenya tending cows and drink blood.

i am. and so is everyone else who wants jew vermin purged

what US needs is purging of jew if its economy is ever to recover. wherever jews go they cause problems thats why they were expelled from so many countries and cities throughout centuries.

how come racist apartheid israel have no money when they can just print US dolar using fed reserve zionist bankers backed by lies and empty promises.

Remember, these are the comments on one of the most widely viewed news networks in America, not some extremist fringe nazi forum.

In debates that touch on Israel on this forum, people often make the claim that antisemitism is not that common anymore, or that it is not a major motivator among Israel's critics, or that antisemites are a minority among the critics of Israel. And yet on places like the comments sections on major news sites (or even far far worse on Youtube), you see the darker reality, that about half the comments on any story touching on Israel are from rabid antisemites. In fact, there are almost no comments that appear to come from "reasonable critics" of Israel at all. There are those who try to defend it or to ridicule the hoards of racists, but among its detractors, there are only rabid, frothing at the mouth, deranged, haters.

That is the loud majority of Israel's critics right there.

Now, some might claim that this is just one article, that this is anecdotal, or whatever. But look at literally ANY story that talks about Israel or Jews on any major news or media website that allows free commentary, and you will see the same thing almost always. Note that this article wasn't even about what people usually criticize Israel for, it was about its own internal protests and economic policies. Things only get uglier in the comments on stories about Israel's relationship with the Palestinians.

So when people on this board ask, why do critics of Israel so often get labeled antisemites, well, there is your answer. Because the attitude of the howling majority (not, as some claim, a small minority) of the anti-Israeli crowd is perfectly summarized by the quoted comments above.

Edited August 7, 2011 by Bonam

[scribblet]

"selling Palestinian body parts" oh sure, it's right up there with the blood libel thing and a few other good pieces of anti semetic propaganda.

[Bonam]

"selling Palestinian body parts" oh sure, it's right up there with the blood libel thing and a few other good pieces of anti semetic propaganda.

Yup, there are all the worst signs of classical antisemitism, including blood libel and variations upon it, claims of Jewish control of the political/economic system, and calls for extermination of Jews. This stuff is commonplace and appears in roughly every second comment on any topic remotely related to Israel or Jews.

Edited August 7, 2011 by Bonam

[Remiel]

Comments on news websites are a crapshoot. They world they portray is incredibly distorted. Almost any comment section on any article on any subject should be able to demonstrate that.

While you should take individual comments seriously, it is spurious to paint an entire group with them. I mean, if I took newspaper comments that seriously, I would have to think all Conservatives were brainwashed schills for the leadership.

[Oleg Bach]

Muslims and Christians both mention Jesus Christ in scripture - and both blame the Jews for the demise of this ancient king of Judea - YET - it was ROME that was fully responsible for the assasination by cruxifiction - why do we not have anti-Italianism? At least hating Italians would be accurate and based in fact.

[Oleg Bach]

To use Jews as a scape goat is and always was a fatal error - as you use them to scape goat evil out of existance the real bad satanic goat laughs and goes free - Why have we not punished the bastards that generated world war 2 out of Germany? They used Hilter as some sort of front man - who were the real culprits? We will never know because everyone was busy running like a stupid dog - chasing the Jews -----------"the Jews did it - gettem rover" - What a ruse...When someone points to a group or person and say that they are evil - always follow the finger up to the wrist - the fore arm and to the head of the pointer - and that is where you will find evil - evil always diverts attention away from it self.

[Black Dog]

emember, these are the comments on one of the most widely viewed news networks in America, not some extremist fringe nazi forum.

In debates that touch on Israel on this forum, people often make the claim that antisemitism is not that common anymore, or that it is not a major motivator among Israel's critics, or that antisemites are a minority among the critics of Israel. And yet on places like the comments sections on major news sites (or even far far worse on Youtube), you see the darker reality, that about half the comments on any story touching on Israel are from rabid antisemites. In fact, there are almost no comments that appear to come from "reasonable critics" of Israel at all. There are those who try to defend it or to ridicule the hoards of racists, but among its detractors, there are only rabid, frothing at the mouth, deranged, haters.

That is the loud majority of Israel's critics right there.

Now, some might claim that this is just one article, that this is anecdotal, or whatever. But look at literally ANY story that talks about Israel or Jews on any major news or media website that allows free commentary, and you will see the same thing almost always. Note that this article wasn't even about what people usually criticize Israel for, it was about its own internal protests and economic policies. Things only get uglier in the comments on stories about Israel's relationship with the Palestinians.

So when people on this board ask, why do critics of Israel so often get labeled antisemites, well, there is your answer. Because the attitude of the howling majority (not, as some claim, a small minority) of the anti-Israeli crowd is perfectly summarized by the quoted comments above.

You're actually basing your assessment on news site comment sections and YouTube? Give me a break.Clearly, you aren't familiar with the Greater Internet Fuckwad theory.

[Oleg Bach]

Any creep that insists that anti-semitism is on the rise is assisting in this rise. The historic way of a dull and stupid government to control a populace is to instill hatred in that population - while it is hating - it is not thinking.

[Sir Bandelot]

I see these hateful statements all the time in the comments section of news articles. They often get reported and deleted by the admins.

I also see the same type of hatred expressed toward Muslims - the "new Jews".

[Oleg Bach]

I see these hateful statements all the time in the comments section of news articles. They often get reported and deleted by the admins.

I also see the same type of hatred expressed toward Muslims - the "new Jews".

To be honest with you - I might rant about Muslims because I am a protectionist at heart - But - when my second daughter was in the hospital - there was a family next to her bed - the Muslim mother was dying - It was the young Muslim son who brought water for his mother - AND the sweet young man also brought water for my daughter _ I will always remember that moment. As for Muslims being the new Jew scape goat - good luck on that one - they are not as passive as the jews of the 1930s..and there are millions upon millions of them....but - I do see your point..and you are correct...governements and men of power with little leadership ablity need hate objects - it makes rule easier.

[eyeball]

I see these hateful statements all the time in the comments section of news articles. They often get reported and deleted by the admins.

I also see the same type of hatred expressed toward Muslims - the "new Jews".

What about all the hatred that's directed at those on the left? You never see the admins doing much about that.

[Oleg Bach]

It's those lizard people from the other dimention that we have to blame - not to mention the alliens for other worlds - oh - and maybe we should give pomegranets a good hard kick - what a horribly designed piece of fruit that is.

[Oleg Bach]

What about all the hatred that's directed at those on the left? You never see the admins doing much about that.

Don't know about that. It might be that those that are on the left just appear to be on the left - they could be so far left that they are right. If you are talking about this site - I have noticed that they have the pretence of being right wing - but over tones of socialism do come through- It could be that the right is maturing and becoming more centralist - and vise versa - Moderation and central thinking is the only thing that can save us...good quiet intelligent thought> As my dad said "There are others" - which meant we have to take care of each other whether we are left or right - because we are of the same central body.

[Shwa]

Muslims and Christians both mention Jesus Christ in scripture - and both blame the Jews for the demise of this ancient king of Judea - YET - it was ROME that was fully responsible for the assasination by cruxifiction - why do we not have anti-Italianism? At least hating Italians would be accurate and based in fact.

Nope. They admitted and repented. Then took over the Church. So... no hating on the Romans!

[Shwa]

So when people on this board ask, why do critics of Israel so often get labeled antisemites, well, there is your answer. Because the attitude of the howling majority (not, as some claim, a small minority) of the anti-Israeli crowd is perfectly summarized by the quoted comments above.

How do you know the comments to the story you posted aren't the work of just a few people?

[Scotty]

What about all the hatred that's directed at those on the left? You never see the admins doing much about that.

Would you like them to do something about the hatred directed at those on the right.. given you direct it?

[Oleg Bach]

Nope. They admitted and repented. Then took over the Church. So... no hating on the Romans!

What - Rome sent a letter of apology to the mother and family of Jesus the Christ that read "Sorry Marie and Joe - but we could not tolerate the Royal House of Judea being a threat to Roman authority - we really thought that rendering your family to poverty and having you work as carpenters would have solved the problem ---------but apparently your son did not get the message - so excuse us for killing him - and it was not really your fellow Judeans that were resonsible...it was us..but what the heck - we promise to create a huge institution in the honour of Jesus - and we will put words in the dead mans mouth that will assure that the Roman empire will not be bugged by returning kings making claims."

[Bonam]

How do you know the comments to the story you posted aren't the work of just a few people?

They are, there's only a few dozen comments, and some people posted more than once. But that story is just one example. There are thousands of stories out there, millions. Pick at random any story relating to Jews or Israel, from a mainstream American or Canadian news website that allows comments, and you'll invariably see the same thing. Is it the same few people posting on all the thousands of stories on all the hundreds of media outlets? I doubt it.

Edited August 9, 2011 by Bonam

[dre]

:lol:

Youre trying to label a gigantic demographic... the majority of the world... as howling anti-semites because you read some web comments?

Edited August 9, 2011 by dre

[eyeball]

Would you like them to do something about the hatred directed at those on the right.. given you direct it?

That'd be a hoot, given the years of right-wing hatred that's been expressed towards the left around here. I only really started cranking up my unwillingness to suffer you dweebs gladly a few short weeks ago and here you are starting to whine like some insufferable dweeb.

Your kind can sure dish out whole buffets of hatred but get a few crumbs brushed back your way and suddenly you're crying like a baby.

Go figure, and piss up a rope while you're at it.

[dre]

lol. what an epic failure of an OP.

Edited August 9, 2011 by dre

[bud]

bonam is a victim.

[Michael Hardner]

7 minutes ago, taxme said:

1) The internet is full of many websites that have questioned or challenged the holocaust event.

2) And what is wrong with that? Is the holocaust suppose to be some kind of taboo or sacred cow subject that must never be discussed. I could question just about any historical event in history, and would never be attacked as much as questioning the holocaust. I am not blaming all the world's problems on the Jews. Where do you get this from? Zionists are not suppose to be real Jews anyway according to many websites.

3) IHR.org is a great  website for wanting to discuss the holocaust. It never hurts to get to know the other side of the story. Having an open mind is such a beautiful.thing. And who can really say that the Hollywood version of the Holocaust is the real story, a story that has been told to us all for many decades now? I am only questioning like so many others have. I see no problem with it. Politics is all just fun and games being played by our fearless leaders, and all at we the peoples expense. Why must any historical event be off topic? 

1) That's really not stunning news.  Another relevant fact: those silica gel packs that they put in electronics boxes have 'DO NOT EAT' printed on them.  I don't think 'many websites' of garbage information by racist pricks would have any impact on my point of view, so I'm happy to save the minutes of my life that your sites would cost me.

2) What's wrong with posting falsehoods that scapegoat Jews ?  If you're gullible, or if you hate Jews and want to convince gullible people to hate them then absolutely nothing wrong with those sites.  Scapegoating 'zionists' for running the world and causing problems is an old tactic and to my mind doesn't work on anybody who can discern facts adequately.

3) I doubt it is.  If you don't mind, I'll keep that one out of my browser history, though.  I can't imagine what ads I'd start seeing after that one.  Having an open mind is necessary when there is some doubt about facts, but thinking adults can make up their minds about obvious things pretty quickly and don't need hate propaganda in their lives.  

 

[taxme]

17 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1) That's really not stunning news.  Another relevant fact: those silica gel packs that they put in electronics boxes have 'DO NOT EAT' printed on them.  I don't think 'many websites' of garbage information by racist pricks would have any impact on my point of view, so I'm happy to save the minutes of my life that your sites would cost me.

2) What's wrong with posting falsehoods that scapegoat Jews ?  If you're gullible, or if you hate Jews and want to convince gullible people to hate them then absolutely nothing wrong with those sites.  Scapegoating 'zionists' for running the world and causing problems is an old tactic and to my mind doesn't work on anybody who can discern facts adequately.

3) I doubt it is.  If you don't mind, I'll keep that one out of my browser history, though.  I can't imagine what ads I'd start seeing after that one.  Having an open mind is necessary when there is some doubt about facts, but thinking adults can make up their minds about obvious things pretty quickly and don't need hate propaganda in their lives.  

 

(1)Just because you have no interest in getting the other side of the story doesn't have to mean that others should not. And what is with this "racist pricks" chit anyway? Are you pretty much trying to say here that I am a racist prick? Anytime someone wants to question something that you think is racist, they have to be racists? It is now quite evident to me that you do not like my own personal opinions and points of view here because of your use of the words "racist pricks". Deplorable indeed. 

(2)I am not trying to convince anyone here to hate Jews. And who says that I am somehow posting falsehoods here? How would you know that? Are you an expert and know all the facts about the holocaust event and what went on there or are you only going by what others have told you? Have you gone over to check out those so-called ovens, and gas chambers to check for yourself as to whether any gassings took place like so many others have, and have come back saying that the gassings could not have happened as told? Zionists are real, and they do run the show. Again the internet will point this out to you on many websites. But it would appear as though you are not interested at all to get the other side of the story. Your choice. 

(3)You see, you have shown me that you do not have an open mind, and are not willing to back up what you appear to believe as gospel. Having an open mind is what everyone should have. Thinking adults will make up their own minds but that should only happen after they have checked out both sides of the story, and then can come to a conclusion. Why is it that everything that you do not want to believe in or hear has to be in some way a pile of propaganda or racists bull? I thought that you being a moderator and all that you would be one that would be open to other peoples opinions and points of view, but it is obvious to me that you are not.  

[taxme]

On 8/8/2011 at 10:28 PM, eyeball said:

That'd be a hoot, given the years of right-wing hatred that's been expressed towards the left around here. I only really started cranking up my unwillingness to suffer you dweebs gladly a few short weeks ago and here you are starting to whine like some insufferable dweeb.

Your kind can sure dish out whole buffets of hatred but get a few crumbs brushed back your way and suddenly you're crying like a baby.

Go figure, and piss up a rope while you're at it.

Sounds like liberal trash talk to me. If anyone is great at showing intolerance and bigotry towards others are liberals. Look at all those leftist liberal demonstrations against Trump? One would never see that from conservatives when they have lost an election. They would live with it, and carry on. The leftist liberals cannot accept defeat, and carry on like the losers that they are. They are very good at whining and crying.