Islamification of Toronto?

Omni · May 9, 2017

19 minutes ago, Argus said:

You honestly think a few people on internet web sites are the cause of a growing distrust of Muslims throughout the Western world and not the continuing acts of terrorism, violence and intolerance coming from the Muslim world?

I mean, measured against people like me and DOG are the entire Canadian media, with its slavish devotion to multiculturalism and inclusiveness, and all three political parties at all levels assuring us of how wonderful Muslims are. And you think WE are in any way influencing things?

If it were only a few people on a web site it wouldn't have much effect, and the rest of us could just ignore and skip to the more educated threads. However throughout the country hate crimes against Muslim's are on the rise and are nearly neck and neck with those against Jews, which have been on a steady decline for some time. Graffiti on Mosques, burning Mosques, even shooting people in Mosques. Assaults against women wearing niqabs, and verbal insults against Muslims all on the rise. And if you think the "entire Canadian media" are totally blameless, then that is only consistent your penchant for throwing around huge unsubstantiated assumptions, but sorry, someone who is actually in the media disagrees with you.

Toronto Star's publisher, John Cruickshank, claimed that "a big segment of the Canadian media has been peddling ‘flat-out racism and bigotry’ against Canadian Muslims."[59]

DogOnPorch · May 9, 2017

4 minutes ago, Omni said:

If it were only a few people on a web site it wouldn't have much effect, and the rest of us could just ignore and skip to the more educated threads. However throughout the country hate crimes against Muslim's are on the rise and are nearly neck and neck with those against Jews, which have been on a steady decline for some time. Graffiti on Mosques, burning Mosques, even shooting people in Mosques. Assaults against women wearing niqabs, and verbal insults against Muslims all on the rise. And if you think the "entire Canadian media" are totally blameless, then that is only consistent your penchant for throwing around huge unsubstantiated assumptions, but sorry, someone who is actually in the media disagrees with you.

Toronto Star's publisher, John Cruickshank, claimed that "a big segment of the Canadian media has been peddling ‘flat-out racism and bigotry’ against Canadian Muslims."[59]

And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.

https://quran.com/8/39

Those words are Islam's words...not mine.

Omni · May 9, 2017

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.

https://quran.com/8/39

Those words are Islam's words...not mine.

Yes we've all heard your little quotes from the Koran. Go to the Bible and you'll find equally disturbing ideas.

DogOnPorch · May 9, 2017

1 minute ago, Omni said:

Yes we've all heard your little quotes from the Koran. Go to the Bible and you'll find equally disturbing ideas.

Like love thy neighbor and turn the other cheek. Agreed. Repulsive.

Omni · May 9, 2017

3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Like love thy neighbor and turn the other cheek. Agreed. Repulsive.

That's all you could find eh, well you didn't look very hard, but I wasn't expecting much from ya.

Edited May 9, 2017 by Omni

DogOnPorch · May 9, 2017

1 minute ago, Omni said:

That's all you could find eh, well you didn't look very hard, but I wasn't much from ya.

You're free to post quotes from the Bible you find "disturbing". Christians are not ordered to murder the unbeliever to get a better seat in heaven.

Edited May 9, 2017 by DogOnPorch

Omni · May 9, 2017

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

Your free to post quotes from the Bible you find "disturbing". Christians are not ordered to murder the unbeliever to get a better seat in heaven.

Already been done on other threads here. Sorry if you missed/ignored it.

DogOnPorch · May 9, 2017

Just now, Omni said:

Already been done on other threads here. Sorry if you missed/ignored it.

I accept your surrender.

Omni · May 9, 2017

Just now, DogOnPorch said:

I accept your surrender.

How come you always say "that" when you've lost? Makes no sense.

DogOnPorch · May 9, 2017

6 minutes ago, Omni said:

How come you always say "that" when you've lost? Makes no sense.

You've failed to provide the Christian equivalent to Quran 8:39.

Nor will you or can you.

Omni · May 9, 2017

4 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

You've failed to provide the Christian equivalent to Quran 8:39.

Nor will you or can you.

Choose whichever interpretation you like from this list, and then we'll go get some more.

http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=8&verse=39

DogOnPorch · May 9, 2017

I didn't think so.

I accept your surrender.

Omni · May 9, 2017

8 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

I didn't think so.

I accept your surrender.

Again you say "that" when you lose.

Try reading about the "Babylonian bashed in baby's heads" in Psalm 137.

I accept your surrender.

Edited May 9, 2017 by Omni

Hydraboss · May 9, 2017

55 minutes ago, Omni said:

crimes against Muslim's are on the rise and are nearly neck and neck with those against Jews, which have been on a steady decline for some time

Uh...ya...no.

Goddess · May 9, 2017

1 hour ago, Omni said:

If it were only a few people on a web site it wouldn't have much effect, and the rest of us could just ignore and skip to the more educated threads. However throughout the country hate crimes against Muslim's are on the rise and are nearly neck and neck with those against Jews, which have been on a steady decline for some time. Graffiti on Mosques, burning Mosques, even shooting people in Mosques. Assaults against women wearing niqabs, and verbal insults against Muslims all on the rise. And if you think the "entire Canadian media" are totally blameless, then that is only consistent your penchant for throwing around huge unsubstantiated assumptions, but sorry, someone who is actually in the media disagrees with you.

Toronto Star's publisher, John Cruickshank, claimed that "a big segment of the Canadian media has been peddling ‘flat-out racism and bigotry’ against Canadian Muslims."[59]

http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/jews-single-most-targeted-group-toronto-hate-crimes

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Incidents of hate-motivated crimes in Toronto increased by eight per cent in 2016 over the previous year, with Jews earning the dubious distinction of being the single-most targeted group for the 12th year in a row.

Of 145 total incidents reported to police, Jews were victimized 43 times, according to the Toronto Police Service 2016 Annual Hate/Bias Crime Statistical Report.

While Jews were the single most victimized group overall as well as the single most victimized religious group, the numbers can be considered out of proportion to the number of Jews living in Toronto. Citing the 2011 census published by Statistics Canada, the report notes that Jews make up only 3.8 per cent of Toronto’s population of 2.8 million, yet were “victimized in approximately 30 per cent of the total hate/bias crimes in 2016.”

“The three most targeted groups since 2006 have been the Jewish community, the black community and the LGBTQ community,” the report states.

I wonder why Jews are targetted way out of proportion to their numbers......hmmmmm??

Edited May 9, 2017 by Goddess

Argus · May 9, 2017

1 hour ago, Omni said:

If it were only a few people on a web site it wouldn't have much effect, and the rest of us could just ignore and skip to the more educated threads.

Educated? Let's be honest, here. The only thing you ever put into your arguments, such as they are, are emotion and intolerance.

1 hour ago, Omni said:

However throughout the country hate crimes against Muslim's are on the rise and are nearly neck and neck with those against Jews, which have been on a steady decline for some time.

They are not even in the same hemisphere as attacks against Jews, which, according today's paper, is at an all time high. And in any case, you are simply repeating your vapid claim that because a very few people are doing things hostile to Muslims it MUST be because of people like me complaining about Islam on the internet.

It couldn't POSSIBLY be because of what they read in the papers and see on TV about the continuous stream of outrageous behaviour from Muslims throughout the world, let alone through day to day interaction with Muslims who show no signs of abandoning their backward social views or religious zealotry, could it? Of course not! After all, the media continually tells us that's only the behaviour of a tiny few!

But thanks for making it patently obvious what sort of a mindset would not only welcome a clampdown on freedom of speech and opinion, but is desperate for it.

1 hour ago, Omni said:

Toronto Star's publisher, John Cruickshank, claimed that "a big segment of the Canadian media has been peddling ‘flat-out racism and bigotry’ against Canadian Muslims."[59]

Cruickshank is a progressive fool and his organization states right in its mandate that it's not here to provide an unbiased view of what's going on in the world but to influence people towards a progressive liberal view. His is exactly the kind of organization which would lie and cover up anything done by minorities of any kind, particularly Muslims "so as to not create racism". It's identical to the mindset of the German and Swedish media who did their best to paper over outrageous conduct from Muslim migrants.

Omni · May 9, 2017

5 minutes ago, Argus said:

Cruickshank is a progressive fool

As is anyone who disagrees with you it seems.

Argus · May 9, 2017

2 minutes ago, Omni said:

As is anyone who disagrees with you it seems.

Most of them seem to be.

Europe is way ahead of us on this. European media has self-muzzled for decades. Politicians have embraced Islam and multiculturalism. They've instituted laws against anyone insulting minorities, particularly Muslims. Theresa May read out her favorite quran quotes during the last Tory conference, and Sharia law is allowed in a number of countries.

And what has that all accomplished? Dislike of Islam is at an all-time high, and more than half of Europeans want a complete ban on immigration from all Muslim countries.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/08/europes-fear-of-muslim-immigration-revealed-in-widespread-survey.html

Edited May 9, 2017 by Argus

Omni · May 9, 2017

22 minutes ago, Argus said:

Most of them seem to be.

Europe is way ahead of us on this. European media has self-muzzled for decades. Politicians have embraced Islam and multiculturalism. They've instituted laws against anyone insulting minorities, particularly Muslims. Theresa May read out her favorite quran quotes during the last Tory conference, and Sharia law is allowed in a number of countries.

And what has that all accomplished? Dislike of Islam is at an all-time high, and more than half of Europeans want a complete ban on immigration from all Muslim countries.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/08/europes-fear-of-muslim-immigration-revealed-in-widespread-survey.html

Maybe if xenophobes stopped insulting minorities, we wouldn't need laws against it.

https://thewalrus.ca/media-v-muslims/

Argus · May 9, 2017

5 minutes ago, Omni said:

Maybe if xenophobes stopped insulting minorities, we wouldn't need laws against it.

https://thewalrus.ca/media-v-muslims/

That's just a word Islamophiles use to try and silence those who disagree with them. You and this guy support clampdowns on freedom of speech, but most Canadians are smart enough to realize that's an idiotic proposal. I just demonstrated as much, showing how decades of that in Europe has had the opposite affect to what you think it would. And what do you do? Post a cite from an indignant Muslim who wants to stop people from saying unkind things about Muslims. Yeah, cuz THAT'LL work! :rolleyes:

Boges · May 9, 2017

9 minutes ago, Omni said:

Maybe if xenophobes stopped insulting minorities, we wouldn't need laws against it.

https://thewalrus.ca/media-v-muslims/

Should we have laws against insulting Christians?

Omni · May 9, 2017

11 minutes ago, Boges said:

Should we have laws against insulting Christians?

I assume you, like Argus, are trying to conflate M-103 and an actual law. We do have laws against hate speech because that kind of behavior, at certain levels, does lead to people getting hurt. Maybe if we just let people go to their church, mosque, synagogue, etc., and go about our own business we'd be better off.

Boges · May 9, 2017

1 minute ago, Omni said:

I assume you, like Argus, are trying to conflate M-103 and an actual law. We do have laws against hate speech because that kind of behavior, at certain levels, does lead to people getting hurt. Maybe if we just let people go to their church, mosque, synagogue, etc., and go about our own business we'd be better off.

Don't we already?

M-103 is just a feel good gesture. There are already hate-speech laws. If anyone is in favour of banning critiques of things like Sharia Law, then they are wrongheaded.

Omni · May 9, 2017

19 minutes ago, Argus said:

That's just a word Islamophiles use to try and silence those who disagree with them.

Nope, it's a word that describes a mode of thought, and action, that can be very dangerous because it thwarts any process for sensible resolution of issues.

Omni · May 9, 2017

6 minutes ago, Boges said:

Don't we already?

M-103 is just a feel good gesture. There are already hate-speech laws. If anyone is in favour of banning critiques of things like Sharia Law, then they are wrongheaded.

M-103 is more than a gesture, and it doesn't seek to ban anything. It's an attempt to look into religious discrimination and racism and how to deal with it. I don't think it's all that bad an idea since religious discrimination, especially against Muslim's is on the rise.