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1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Lots of bad things happened in history such as burning of witches.

In Africa, Christians still harm witches.  You in favour of banning Christian immigrants?

 

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but Christianity is at fault here. The pastors of independent African churches may identify children as witches (for a fee) and are prepared to "cure" them (for a further fee) by exorcising the evil spirits. Such exorcisms are often violent; beating and the use of cold water to cleanse and purify the possessed being is common in many Congolese churches and elsewhere in Africa, too.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/mar/01/witchcraft-curse-africa-kristy-bamu

 

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5 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

In Africa, Christians still harm witches.  You in favour of banning Christian immigrants?

 

 

 

5 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

In Africa, Christians still harm witches.  You in favour of banning Christian immigrants?

 

 

Africa is not Canada.  There are bizarre things that go on in some other countries too.  Those are terrible incidents in Africa of course but the number of Islamic terrorism incidents in the world and the number of deaths as a result is far greater.   There is no comparison. 

 We are talking about Canada and who to let into Canada.  No, I would not admit those kinds of people to Canada either.  Just common sense.  We know you prefer to try to find a frivolous argument against everything.   The subject is Islamification of Toronto.  I pointed out the website that reports on the ongoing terrorism in the world by radical Islam.  That is a serious problem because there are approximately 1.7 billion followers in the world.  If even just a small percentage are radical, that could be a large number.  But you ignored the website and the issue and try to come up with frivolous arguments that have nothing to do with it.  You haven't changed. 

Much like your argument against any divorce even if women are being seriously abused.  Domestic abuse is a serious problem in Canada.   Intimate partner violence is fairly common in Canada as well. You still have not admitted that divorce is justified in some cases.

 

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Then stop it.  I just posted evidence that they're less religious than Christians.  Read and learn.

Stop what?   The claim they are less religious than Christians is a frivolous argument.   Such a claim proves nothing.

There is no benefit to Canada in having it here and the future could bring lots of trouble.  We have seen the terrorist attacks in France and Britain by the jihadists and we know about the existence of the no go zones in some cities in Europe.

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20 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Stop what?   The claim they are less religious than Christians is a frivolous argument.   Such a claim proves nothing.

There is no benefit to Canada in having it here and the future could bring lots of trouble.  We have seen the terrorist attacks in France and Britain by the jihadists and we know about the existence of the no go zones in some cities in Europe.

There are benefits to bringing people here, of course there are.  There have been more terrorist acts against Muslims than by them in Canada.

'No go zones ' are made up nonsense.  You're gullible.

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15 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

There are benefits to bringing people here, of course there are.  There have been more terrorist acts against Muslims than by them in Canada.

'No go zones ' are made up nonsense.  You're gullible.

I don't see the benefits of bringing Islamists from the third world.  No-go zones are not nonsense.  They are a serious problem in some cities in Europe.  They are the result of multiculturalism which Canada also embraces.

 

You say there have been more terrorist attacks against Muslims than by them in Canada.  That might be the case, but that is beside the point.  A number of them did in fact travel overseas from Canada to join ISIS.  The number of terrorist attacks within Canada has nothing to do with whether or not they should be brought into Canada.  The radical jihadists are involved in terrorist attacks all over the world frequently, perhaps daily.   What happens when they grow to large numbers in Canada as in some countries in Europe?  That will lead to the possibility that a certain segments of them may become radicalized and become militant.  Many also travelled from France, Britain and other countries to join ISIS.

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Indeed, Canada was built by immigrants. They came here because of our great cultural heritage which allows for freedom of expression, religion, association and peaceful assembly. Radical Islam does not recognize those freedoms and thus poses a clear and present threat to what makes Canada such a great country and the envy of much of the world – our Christian heritage.

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‘Radical Islam’ a clear threat to Canada | ARPA Canada

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This is the second article in a multi-part series documenting so-called no-go zones in Europe. The first article in this series documents no-go zones in France. This second segment focuses on the United Kingdom. It provides a brief compilation of references to British no-go zones by academic, police, media and government sources.

An erroneous claim on American television that Birmingham, England, is "totally Muslim" and off-limits to non-Muslims has ignited a politically charged debate about the existence of no-go zones in Britain and other European countries.

No-go zones can be defined as Muslim-dominated neighborhoods that are de facto off limits to non-Muslims due to a number of factors, including the lawlessness, insecurity or religious intimidation that often pervades these areas.

In some no-go zones, host-country authorities are unable or unwilling to provide even basic public aid, such as police, fire fighting and ambulance services, out of fear of being attacked by Muslim gangs that sometimes claim control over such areas.

Muslim enclaves in European cities are also breeding grounds for Islamic radicalism.

Europe's no-go zones are the by-product of decades of multicultural policies that have encouraged Muslim immigrants to remain segregated from — rather than become integrated into — their European host nations.

The problem of no-go zones is well documented, but multiculturalists and their politically correct supporters vehemently deny that they exist. Some are now engaged in a concerted campaign to discredit and even silence those who draw attention to the issue — often by deliberately mischaracterizing the term "no-go zone."

Islam expert Andrew C. McCarthy has offered a lucid clarification of what no-go zones are and of what they are not:

"[N]o sensible person is saying that state authorities are prohibited from entering no-go zones as a matter of law. The point is that they are severely discouraged from entering as a matter of fact — and the degree of discouragement varies directly with the density of the Muslim population and its radical component. Ditto for non-Muslim lay people: It is not that they are not permitted to enter these enclaves; it is that they avoid entering because doing so is dangerous if they are flaunting Western modes of dress and conduct.   unquote

European 'No-Go' Zones: Fact or Fiction? Part 2: Britain :: Gatestone Institute

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3 hours ago, blackbird said:

Horseshit.

Gatestone Institute

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https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/

Figured as much...

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7 hours ago, blackbird said:

1. I don't see the benefits of bringing Islamists from the third world. 

2. No-go zones are not nonsense.  They are a serious problem in some cities in Europe.  They are the result of multiculturalism which Canada also embraces.

 

 

1. So bringing a tech worker from Pakistan to Canada when there's a shortage of labour in that field is bad for the economy?

2. As has been pointed out, only questionable sources make this stuff up and put it on the web for gullible people, who are at heart fearful racists, to regurgitate.  You discredit your ability to engage in serious discussion when you come in with this garbage.

 

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

3. You say there have been more terrorist attacks against Muslims than by them in Canada. That might be the case, but that is beside the point

3. I thought you were making the case that Muslims pose a threat to Canadians.  Your admission means that it's not so, it's the other way around.  Whatever your case about their numbers is paranoid speculation.  I already posted the PEW poll showing they're less religious than Christians.

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3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. So bringing a tech worker from Pakistan to Canada when there's a shortage of labour in that field is bad for the economy?

2. As has been pointed out, only questionable sources make this stuff up and put it on the web for gullible people, who are at heart fearful racists, to regurgitate.  You discredit your ability to engage in serious discussion when you come in with this garbage.

 

3. I thought you were making the case that Muslims pose a threat to Canadians.  Your admission means that it's not so, it's the other way around.  Whatever your case about their numbers is paranoid speculation.  I already posted the PEW poll showing they're less religious than Christians.

1.  I am sure there are tech workers in many countries in the world which do not have the death sentence for blasphemers.

2.  I am sure you can find much information on the internet from various sources on the problem of no-go zones.  There is more than one site.  You just don't accept facts.

3.   lslam poses a threat everywhere in the world.  As numbers of a group increase, they can also become more militant.  It is the core beliefs that do not accept our fundamental freedoms such as freedom of religion, freedom of expression and freedom of the press that should be a concern as well.  Islamic republics have laws against blasphemy and the punishment is the death sentence.  There is also female genital mutilation in some countries that should also tell you something about it.

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12 minutes ago, blackbird said:

 

   lslam poses a threat everywhere in the world.  As numbers of a group increase, they can also become more militant. 

I have you ignore because you use bad sources and are not good at listening or discussing facts.

I'll focus on this one thing, which I've already refuted twice and you just keep restating like a parrot.

Public dialogue is centered on people discussing with open minds and intellectual honesty, and you're a detriment to that goal.

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4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. So bringing a tech worker from Pakistan to Canada when there's a shortage of labour in that field is bad for the economy?

2. As has been pointed out, only questionable sources make this stuff up and put it on the web for gullible people, who are at heart fearful racists, to regurgitate.  You discredit your ability to engage in serious discussion when you come in with this garbage.

 

3. I thought you were making the case that Muslims pose a threat to Canadians.  Your admission means that it's not so, it's the other way around.  Whatever your case about their numbers is paranoid speculation.  I already posted the PEW poll showing they're less religious than Christians.

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A No Go Zone is sort of a failed state in miniature form, and is not that recent of a development. In the strictest sense, a No Go Zone (or ”No Go Area”) is an area that has been barricaded off by military or paramilitary authorities. However, a broader definition has emerged in recent years as governments such as France and Sweden use euphemisms such as “vulnerable area,” “exposed area” or “sensitive urban zone” for what are effectively No Go Zones.

For our purposes, a No Go Zone is anywhere that the government is incapable of providing basic support services – policing, firefighting and emergency medical services. This is also the common meaning when “No Go Zone” is used in the media.

Uncomfortable for some to consider, it is an undeniable fact that most, if not all, of the No Go Zones in Europe coincide with large Muslim populations. In these areas, large radicalized immigrant populations are indifferent or hostile to the central government.

Beyond the merely uncomfortable for some and into the deeply disturbing for all, second-generation Muslim immigrants tend to be more radicalized than their parents, not less. This is true across Europe. Second-generation Muslim immigrants have been behind nearly every terrorist attack in Europe post-9/11. The kind of assimilation America saw after its massive immigration wave between the Civil War and the First World War simply is not happening with Muslim immigrant communities in Europe.

No Go Zones in Europe

Much of the debate around whether or not Europe has “No Go Zones” comes down to how terms are defined. A 2017 article on RT’s website put the matter very succinctly: “Thus those looking to dismiss no-go areas as a ‘myth,’ can argue the semantics of what constitutes a ‘no-go zone,’ or how much of a threat they present, but not that term represents a real phenomenon.” Here are some examples of growing civil unrest in Europe:

Belgium: Following the November 2015 terror attacks in France, Belgium’s Home Affairs Minister Jan Jambon stated that the Belgian government does not “have control of the situation in Molenbeek.” He described this as a “gigantic problem” without actually using the term No Go Zone.

France: Fox News created controversy in 2015 when they declared France had No Go Zones after the Charlie Hebdo shooting. However, looking beyond the hysteria, there’s considerable evidence that France has No Go Zones. In fact, Reuters referred to No Go Zones in Paris in October 2016. In June 2018, the French President Emmanuel Macron gave a speech with repeated euphemistic references to No Go Zones. The National Post, Canada’s paper of record, did an in-depth feature on No Go Zones in 2016. In 2017, an app launched called “No-Go Zone,” allowing the French to report lawless areas to be avoided. So while there may be a reflexive reaction to dismiss reports from Gatestone Institute or Breitbart on French No Go Zones as “right-wing propaganda,” there are no shortage of so-called “mainstream” sources reporting on No Go Zones in France.

Germany: Angela Merkel has spoken about No Go Zones as a “reality” in Germany. In April 2018, the Daily Mail reported on a poll showing that a majority of Germans feared No Go Zones, with over three quarters stating they believed the government should crack down harder on organized crime.

Sweden: Much of the media attention surrounding No Go Zones is centered on Sweden. Despite vehement denials, there is overwhelming evidence of No Go Areas in Sweden, no matter what term one chooses to use. An April 2018 Sputnik report described areas where emergency services cannot enter without significant police support. In 2018, the Prime Minister of Sweden referred to “parallel societies” in Sweden. The spectre of civil war in Sweden is openly discussed in Parliament. A 2017 RT article quoted Swedish National Police Commissioner Dan Eliasson as saying “we cannot continue in this direction ten more years.” In December 2017, the nation’s chief prosecutor described a Stockholm suburb as being like “a war zone” and stating that she would look to countries like El Salvador and Colombia for potential strategies.

United Kingdom: President Donald Trump was ridiculed for suggesting the presence of No Go Areas in the UK, however, there is evidence to suggest he was correct. Raheem Kassam, a UKIP activist and former Breitbart UK Editor in Chief has written an entire book on the subject. Kassam is of Tanzanian extraction and was raised as an Ismaili Muslim, though he now identifies as an atheist. An anonymous London police officer went on popular British radio program LBC and stated that the British capital did in fact have “No Go Areas.” Councillors for Leeds suburb Bradford have similarly described areas of that city.

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No Go Zones: A Guide to Western Failed States and European Secessionist Movements (richardsonpost.com)

Notice it says second generation Muslims are often more radical than their parents.  That means the more you bring in, the more radicals you may have in the future generations.

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14 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I have you ignore because you use bad sources and are not good at listening or discussing facts.

I'll focus on this one thing, which I've already refuted twice and you just keep restating like a parrot.

Public dialogue is centered on people discussing with open minds and intellectual honesty, and you're a detriment to that goal.

You just don't want to accept facts.  Put your fingers in your ears.  You just proved you don't believe in freedom of expression.  What religion are you again?

I also quoted a different source in my last post, but you will say any post that you disagree with is not credible.  The idea of no go zones really scares you.  It scares me too.

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2 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Do you think most tech workers support that, or do you think they’re moving to get away from things like that?

The idea that we would not get tech workers from some specific place is viable, but we have been importing Muslims for decades since 9=11 and ... pretty much no impact, except maybe on them.

Not importing from Pakistan, or Iran would mean jobs go unfilled and $ left on the table, that's it.

What I find is that the same people who fret about 'the economy' or inflation are happy to suggest self-sabotage like embargoes with China, blocking immigrants based on religion etc.

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23 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Do you think most tech workers support that, or do you think they’re moving to get away from things like that?

The problem is Islam itself.  Check the article I posted above on no-go zones in Europe.  One report says Islamic descendants of immigrants have been found in some cases to become more extremist or terrorist than the parents who immigrated.  Reports are that some no-go zones are unable to receive police, fire, ambulance and other services because of the danger from extremists in the no-go zones.  They can basically become areas that governments lose control of and become ungovernable.  

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1 hour ago, blackbird said:

   One report says Islamic descendants of immigrants have been found in some cases to become more extremist or terrorist than the parents who immigrated.  

"One report says...."  

The PEW research comes from a respected organization that is objective and doesn't come from an online website set up to generate suspicion of Muslims.  It says the opposite.   


You use bad sources, probably stemming from the fact that you were taught to have faith and not question things growing up...

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

"One report says...."  

The PEW research comes from a respected organization that is objective and doesn't come from an online website set up to generate suspicion of Muslims.  It says the opposite.   


You use bad sources, probably stemming from the fact that you were taught to have faith and not question things growing up...

Older immigrants say above 40 or 50 are likely more conservative and not as likely to change to become more militant and extremist.  It makes sense that their children when they get into their teens or twenties might take the radical parts of the Quran more seriously and become more ideological and aggressive militants.  If you look at the terrorist attacks in France and the UK you will probably find the terrorists are generally in the younger age bracket below 30 or 40.  Some who have criminal records and mental problems seem to lean toward becoming radical Islamists.  Perhaps they think being a radical will win them favour with Allah and earn them 70 virgins in the next life. 

In fact I believe there is a prison in England which has many radical Islamists in the prison and it is considered dangerous if you are an inmate there and are not one of them.  You will likely find those prisoners are in the younger age bracket.

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6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

1. Older immigrants say above 40 or 50 are likely more conservative and not as likely to change to become more militant and extremist.  It makes sense that their children when they get into their teens or twenties might take the radical parts of the Quran more seriously and become more ideological and aggressive militants. 

2. In fact I believe there is a prison in England which has many radical Islamists in the prison and it is considered dangerous if you are an inmate there and are not one of them.  You will likely find those prisoners are in the younger age bracket.

1. Why do you keep repeating stuff you read on biased blogs or from your own head ? It's not happening here.  Maybe those who come to live in the great Satan don't think it's so bad ?

2. I don't believe what you believe.  I don't believe in God, for example.  Provide some evidence, some of us aren't convinced by faith I am sorry.

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5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Why do you keep repeating stuff you read on biased blogs or from your own head ? It's not happening here.  Maybe those who come to live in the great Satan don't think it's so bad ?

2. I don't believe what you believe.  I don't believe in God, for example.  Provide some evidence, some of us aren't convinced by faith I am sorry.

1.  I never said there were no-go zones in Canada yet.  You missed the point.  I said it is happening in cities in Europe.  The point is it is happening in places where large populations are built up in certain tight areas.  There is nothing to prevent that from happening in Canada in the future as the Muslim population grows larger.  Do you have any reason why it is happening in Europe but would not happen here in the future?  Of course not, because if the exact same situation develops, that is, a large population of Muslim develops in certain neighbourhoods or concentrations in certain cities, there is no reason to believe it would not happen in Canada as well.  Sharia Law has certain demands that must be followed if at all possible.

2.  Psalm 14:1 says "the fool hath said in his heart there is no God".   The evidence is in the creation all around you.  You just close your eyes to it and won't accept it as evidence of God being the Creator.  It is simple logic.  Something complex that operates in a very precise way such as the universe, the movement of the planets around the sun, the season on earth that give us the seasons and agriculture, the intricate and complex workings of a cell for instance all point to the necessity of an intelligent designer Creator.  The very existence of the universe point to a supernatural being that brought it into existence from nothing just as Genesis says.  It all required the creation of the laws of physics, energy, matter, atoms, particles such as electrons, neutrons, protons, and precise way they operate.  This had to have a designer Creator.  Something (the universe) cannot come into existence by nothing.  Every effect had to have a cause.  Hence the universe had a cause.

When we talk about God, in order for it to make any sense, we must look at it with spiritual eyes.  Trying to look at it from an earthly or humanistic way (human wisdom) will not work.  It is a supernatural subject and therefore can only make sense if one looks at it through a spiritual mind.  

" 21  For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. 22  For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 23  But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 24  But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. 25  Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 26  For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 27  But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28  And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: 29  That no flesh should glory in his presence. 30  But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31  That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. " 1 Corinthians 1:21-31 KJV

"14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15  But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man." 1 Corinthians 2:14, 15 KJV

 

 

 

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On 11/6/2022 at 5:53 AM, Michael Hardner said:

1. So bringing a tech worker from Pakistan to Canada when there's a shortage of labour in that field is bad for the economy?

2. As has been pointed out, only questionable sources make this stuff up and put it on the web for gullible people, who are at heart fearful racists, to regurgitate.  You discredit your ability to engage in serious discussion when you come in with this garbage.

 

3. I thought you were making the case that Muslims pose a threat to Canadians.  Your admission means that it's not so, it's the other way around.  Whatever your case about their numbers is paranoid speculation.  I already posted the PEW poll showing they're less religious than Christians.

1... No it is not bad for the economy, but do you think of all the nations in which tech workers come from,  Pakistan is the best choice. Considering Pakistan stance on all most everything. 

2... It's not about being gullible, it's about just facing reality... There are Muslims from certain counties that are what we would consider of extreme Muslim faith, Pakistan is one , Afghanistan, Chechenia, Iran, Iraq... one of my tours we had a riot outside of ours camp with thousands upon thousands of Muslims, so many we could not get out of our own camp with armored vehicles...well over 2 to 3 hundred died do to being crushed in close quarters, over a rumor that a American soldier had burnt a Quran... tell me those people are Canadian friendly, So if you had a choice why not eliminate these country's, not all muslims from across the globe but atleast 

3.... Well considering what is in the media and what has been in the media i would say that some Muslims have posed a threat to Canadians and other nations as well. Tell me ISIS is Canadian friendly, tell me all those women ISIS brides are Canadian friendly, tell me all those fighting age males that left Canada to join ISIS are Canadian friendly, how many Canadians went to Afghanistan, Iraq, Chechenia to fight there in Muslim holy wars....we are talking about hundreds that CSIS knows about only god knows how many more that CSIS knows nothing of... 

You know who also thinks the same way the Liberal government, why have we not brought those women and children home from Syria until now, why have we not brought in more Afghanis translators back...why did we have to wait until that little boy washed up on shore to bring in Syrians. And why have we stopped bringing in Syrian refugees, has the war stopped... Could it be that the Government is picking and choosing...it looks that way...

Also in the media many European countries have had huge issues with Muslim refugees from across the middle east and African continent. google that there are thousands of stories, about crime rates going way up, riots, rapes, social incidents, complaints about food accommodations, and welfare cheque. before the pandemic, you don't hear about anything right now, but lets not pretend it did not happen.  

I get it lets not paint all Muslims with the same brush, first we need to agree that the Muslim faith has more extremist in it than any other, so why not screen people out from certain Muslim extremists nations. or do we throw the doors open and hope it does not bite us in the ass..

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