Pliny Posted June 3, 2011 Report Posted June 3, 2011 I did't initially like Mitt Romney at all. Especially after not addressing his immplementation of State health care in Mass and not thoroughly stating it was a complete failure. I watched him on Hannity last night and I liked everything he said. On the health care issue he said Obama care was an abominal construct and would have no problem repealing it. What got me is that he said States are better able to deal with the issue because once it becomes a federal institution it will be essentially unchangeable. This is something I have come to understand as being liberal progressivism turning into a solid conservativism. I'm willing to look a little closer at him but I still consider him an establishment conservative and wonder how, as a Republican, he ever became Governor of a primarily Democrat State. Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 3, 2011 Report Posted June 3, 2011 (edited) ....I'm willing to look a little closer at him but I still consider him an establishment conservative and wonder how, as a Republican, he ever became Governor of a primarily Democrat State. The same way 18 previous Republicans got elected governor (more times than the Democrats). Romney was coming off a very successful Winter 2002 Olympic Games and the Republican heir had self destructed. Here is how he did it: 2002 Election Edited June 3, 2011 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted June 3, 2011 Report Posted June 3, 2011 Romney was great yesterday. If he wins the nomination, he'll have a great chance to be President. Obama is very beatable. Quote
Smallc Posted June 3, 2011 Report Posted June 3, 2011 (edited) He'd better get the nomination if te Republicans want to even have a chance at challenging Obama. Edited June 3, 2011 by Smallc Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 3, 2011 Report Posted June 3, 2011 He's better get the nomination if te Republicans want to even have a chance at challenging Obama. The Republicans will "challenge" Obama regardless of who the nominee is. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted June 3, 2011 Report Posted June 3, 2011 Remember when Obama said he'd fix the health care? Or when he said he'd close Gitmo? Or when he promised all those otehr things he failed on? Romney is setting himself up for failure, as soon as he is in, policy will tell the POTUS what is exactly what. Quote
bloodyminded Posted June 3, 2011 Report Posted June 3, 2011 He'd better get the nomination if te Republicans want to even have a chance at challenging Obama. Whatever one's opinion of the Republicans, they are an extremely effective political campaigning machine. I think it was Charles Krauthammer who said they might be the best in the world at this...and I'm not sure he was crowing so much as reporting. They've appeared in the doldrums many times, and then pulled themselves out with dizzying suddenness. Obama is no doubt fixedly aware that he's going to have a good fight on his hands next year. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Guest American Woman Posted June 3, 2011 Report Posted June 3, 2011 Remember when Obama said he'd fix the health care? Or when he said he'd close Gitmo? Or when he promised all those otehr things he failed on? Romney is setting himself up for failure, as soon as he is in, policy will tell the POTUS what is exactly what. Romney already has the same track record as Governor that Obama has as POTUS in that regard. Quote
bud Posted June 3, 2011 Report Posted June 3, 2011 I did't initially like Mitt Romney at all. Especially after not addressing his immplementation of State health care in Mass and not thoroughly stating it was a complete failure. I watched him on Hannity last night and I liked everything he said. On the health care issue he said Obama care was an abominal construct and would have no problem repealing it. What got me is that he said States are better able to deal with the issue because once it becomes a federal institution it will be essentially unchangeable. This is something I have come to understand as being liberal progressivism turning into a solid conservativism. I'm willing to look a little closer at him but I still consider him an establishment conservative and wonder how, as a Republican, he ever became Governor of a primarily Democrat State. then why not look at ron paul? Quote http://whoprofits.org/
Michael Hardner Posted June 3, 2011 Report Posted June 3, 2011 then why not look at ron paul? I was scratching my head thinking the same thing. Isn't Ron Paul the natural choice for Pliny ? Then again, don't ever assume you know what people are going to do. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Pliny Posted June 4, 2011 Author Report Posted June 4, 2011 (edited) I was scratching my head thinking the same thing. Isn't Ron Paul the natural choice for Pliny ? Then again, don't ever assume you know what people are going to do. Just as socialism is progressivism and builds the State, Libertarianism must deconstruct the State. Ron Paul is ahead of his time. I applaud him for being in the forefront but the populace needs a lot more education before he could be elected. Would I vote for him? I would love to vote for him but I am more a realist - it is going to take some "progression" to downsize. So I would vote for the person who promises the least government and has the greatest chance of being elected. I would vote for Harper because he offers the only opportunity for reduction in the size of government. A libertarian in Canada has absolutely no chance of being elected at this point. In other words, there has to be more Plinys around. Edited June 4, 2011 by Pliny Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
Moonlight Graham Posted June 4, 2011 Report Posted June 4, 2011 Mitt Romney has a cool first (or more accurately 'middle') name. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
BC_chick Posted June 4, 2011 Report Posted June 4, 2011 The Republicans will "challenge" Obama regardless of who the nominee is. Unless it's one of the 'joke' candidates. New Gingrich... Michelle Bachman... Sarah Palin.... off the top of my head. Palin pretty much handed him the 08 election, it would be really nice to see her win the nomination (though I doubt even the Republicans are that stupid). Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
August1991 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Posted June 4, 2011 I did't initially like Mitt Romney at all..... I'm willing to look a little closer at him but I still consider him an establishment conservative and wonder how, as a Republican, he ever became Governor of a primarily Democrat State. I have exactly the same opinion.Romney initially struck me as another robot-technocrat. But then I realized that he is not just smart but also human. --- I reckon that health care will kill him politically. Obamacare is a variation on Romneycare. Quote
BubberMiley Posted June 4, 2011 Report Posted June 4, 2011 It could be the end now. He has admitted that climate change exists and that humans have contributed to it! Isn't acknowledging reality a no-no amongst republicans? Could it be the end of his campaign before it even starts? Or did he figure out that the wingnut denier GOP vote is not enough to win a general election? Probably the latter. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Shady Posted June 4, 2011 Report Posted June 4, 2011 It could be the end now. He has admitted that climate change exists and that humans have contributed to it! McCain had the same opinion of climate change. Romney's a better candidate, where the economy will be the focus. And he'll run a better campaign than John McCain did. It's almost impossible not to. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted June 4, 2011 Report Posted June 4, 2011 McCain had the same opinion of climate change. Romney's a better candidate, where the economy will be the focus. And he'll run a better campaign than John McCain did. It's almost impossible not to. And I think the Bush administration also came to that conclusion. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Pliny Posted June 4, 2011 Author Report Posted June 4, 2011 Unless it's one of the 'joke' candidates. New Gingrich... Michelle Bachman... Sarah Palin.... off the top of my head. Palin pretty much handed him the 08 election, it would be really nice to see her win the nomination (though I doubt even the Republicans are that stupid). What defines a joke candidate? Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
Michael Hardner Posted June 4, 2011 Report Posted June 4, 2011 What defines a joke candidate? I give up - what defines a joke candidate ? (This should be good...) Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
BubberMiley Posted June 4, 2011 Report Posted June 4, 2011 I give up - what defines a joke candidate ? (This should be good...) Donald Trump. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
maple_leafs182 Posted June 5, 2011 Report Posted June 5, 2011 I would vote for Harper because he offers the only opportunity for reduction in the size of government. A libertarian in Canada has absolutely no chance of being elected at this point. Harper doesn't offer smaller government, it may not grow as fast of a pace as it would if the liberals or NDP were in charge but it won't get smaller. Harper acts like he understands the economy but he doesn't, he will spend the money the NDP would spend on welfare on warfare and building up the police state. I would love to vote for him but I am more a realist I do not like when people use the word realist. It tries to discredit other peoples views by using a single word. I think Ron Paul has a better chance then people think. The biggest hurdle he faces now is the biased main stream media that consistently claims that his libertarian views are nonsensical. Quote │ _______ [███STOP███]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ :::::::--------------Conservatives beleive ▄▅█FUNDING THIS█▅▄▃▂- - - - - --- -- -- -- -------- Liberals lie I██████████████████] ...◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙'(='.'=)' ⊙
BubberMiley Posted June 5, 2011 Report Posted June 5, 2011 The biggest hurdle he faces now is the biased main stream media that consistently claims that his libertarian views are nonsensical. It would be more biased if they tried to pretend the nonsense made sense. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Topaz Posted June 5, 2011 Report Posted June 5, 2011 While watching one of the American political shows, one person's view was that Palin would try to knock off Rommey and Bachman with the Tea Party behind her and help a new Rep. candidate coming to take the leader. Perhaps she wants to run for VP again and then to the presidency in 2016. God help America! Quote
maple_leafs182 Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 It would be more biased if they tried to pretend the nonsense made sense. Ya, that crazy Ron Paul... Saying stuff in the 90's like if the US continues its foreign policy it may lead to terrorist attacks or in the early 2000's warning people that the US is in a bubble. Clearly he is crazy and knows nothing. Quote │ _______ [███STOP███]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ :::::::--------------Conservatives beleive ▄▅█FUNDING THIS█▅▄▃▂- - - - - --- -- -- -- -------- Liberals lie I██████████████████] ...◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙'(='.'=)' ⊙
Michael Hardner Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 Ya, that crazy Ron Paul... Saying stuff in the 90's like if the US continues its foreign policy it may lead to terrorist attacks or in the early 2000's warning people that the US is in a bubble. Clearly he is crazy and knows nothing. To assess the insanity of a particular candidate, one needs to look at all of his/her statements, not just the sane ones. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
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