Climate a Non-issue in Federal Election

[Keepitsimple]

I couldn't resist.......

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Science a shambles, politicians mostly dodge global warming scare

Health care, coalitions, corporate taxes. Where’s the looming climate disaster, the threat of the centuries, the end of life as we know it, the meltdown of all meltdowns? It is nowhere in this Canadian election, a non-issue — and for good reason.

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As for climate change, it is hard to get worked up when faced with a steady drip, drip of scientific evidence that undermines the claims of the official UN climate machine. Rising sea levels? Not happening. Millions of refugees fleeing afflicted areas? Not happening. Rising temperatures? Hard to nail down and incite alarm over when local conditions seem cooler rather than hotter.

Link: http://opinion.financialpost.com/2011/04/21/terence-corcoran-climate-non-issue-in-a-cold-spring-election/ Edited April 25, 2011 by Keepitsimple

[Shady]

I think this is one reason for an apparent NDP rise in the polls. They've kept their mouth shut about their real agenda for Canada in terms of economic policy. Because they know it would be political suicide.

The vast majority of Canadians are concerned about whether they'll keep the job the have, or get a job if they don't have one currently. They're concerned about gas prices, taxes, and whether or not they can afford to send their children to university or college. They're definitely not concerned about whether Canada can reduce it's carbon emissions, which are immensely dwarfed already by most other countries.

And coming off of a long cold winter doesn't help matters either.

[Moonlight Graham]

Where is the evidence this isn't an issue? How about some poll numbers?

[Moonbox]

Where is the evidence this isn't an issue? How about some poll numbers?

Has anyone been talking about it much? There be your evidence.....

[Mr.Canada]

Science cannot make up it's mind to be taken seriously. First they said we would have 'Global Warming'. Then they said oops...actually the Earth is cooling so the had to change it to 'Climate Change'. It's all voodoo science.

[GostHacked]

The vast majority of Canadians are concerned about whether they'll keep the job the have, or get a job if they don't have one currently. They're concerned about gas prices, taxes, and whether or not they can afford to send their children to university or college.

All those concerns are the same concerns they have had for decades. Why have those concerns not been addressed?

Edited April 26, 2011 by GostHacked

[betsy]

Where is the evidence this isn't an issue? How about some poll numbers?

They had a poll a while back with either CTV or CBC. #1 priority issue is about jobs. #2 is healthcare #3 economy (?)

Environment was at the bottom of the list. With only 3% I think.

I got the numbers all mixed up. Here's the source:

In 2011, with the country and much of the developed world still apprehensively emerging from the rubble of the recession, the environment has largely been relegated to the back seat.

This time around the dynamic has changed. Polling numbers released on Friday showed that the environment was the primary ballot box issue for just 4.5 per cent of those surveyed.

For most Canadians health care was the top issue, followed by jobs and the economy, high taxes and education, and finally, the environment.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20110415/environment-election-non-issue-110417?s_name=election2011

Edited April 26, 2011 by betsy

[Battletoads]

Science cannot make up it's mind to be taken seriously. First they said we would have 'Global Warming'. Then they said oops...actually the Earth is cooling so the had to change it to 'Climate Change'. It's all voodoo science.

Funny that Bush and his gang popularized 'climate change' as a way to make global warming sound less threatening.

oh and, Global warming is real, it is happening, and it is man made. I'd present some scientific data, but you wouldn't understand it.

Edited April 26, 2011 by Battletoads

[Shady]

All those concerns are the same concerns they have had for decades. Why have those concerns not been addressed?

They have been addressed, for decades. But things change, and new and difference circumstances arise that effect each of them differently. Sometimes in a good way. Sometimes in a bad way.

[Moonlight Graham]

They had a poll a while back with either CTV or CBC. #1 priority issue is about jobs. #2 is healthcare #3 economy (?)

Environment was at the bottom of the list. With only 3% I think.

I got the numbers all mixed up. Here's the source:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20110415/environment-election-non-issue-110417?s_name=election2011

Thank you betsy.

[Moonlight Graham]

Has anyone been talking about it much? There be your evidence.....

Well, nobody was talking about health care early in the campaign either.

[Wild Bill]

oh and, Global warming is real, it is happening, and it is man made. I'd present some scientific data, but you wouldn't understand it.

Wouldn't understand, or just disagree? Whatever. Politics is the art of perception and usually doesn't jive with reality anyway.

The environmentalists have proven to be poor politicians. They've been crying wolf with such extreme predictions that the average citizen has stopped believing them. It makes no difference that it might take decades to prove things one way or another. This is politics and a month can be an eternity.

Perhaps this is the same thing that is hurting the Bloc against the NDP. They've been flogging the separatiste horse for so long that many Quebecers have become bored and disillusioned with their message.

So BT, if you feel you have to keep presenting "scientific" evidence, you've lost! You might even be right as far as the physics but in the court of popular political sentiment, you've lost!

[TimG]

oh and, Global warming is real, it is happening, and it is man made. I'd present some scientific data, but you wouldn't understand it.

I suspect you do not understand the data you present...

GW is happening.

Part of it is due to humans.

The trouble is we don't really know how much.

More importantly - we have no idea what the consequences will be.

They will be a mixture of good and bad.

But what we do know: none of the "solutions" put forward by the environmental movement will do anything about the stated problem.

If you want to convince people to buy into your vision you need to have solutions that have a chance of working. No one believes that the technologies are going to magically appear just because government levies a few new taxes. Find the technologies, prove that they actually work and are affordable. Then we can talk about reducing CO2.

Edited April 26, 2011 by TimG

[betsy]

Anyway, best way is to prepare for adaptation to climate change.

[Uncle 3 dogs]

Anyway, best way is to prepare for adaptation to climate change.

Why the hell is no one realizing that and pursuing it?

[Keepitsimple]

I'll start to worry when people stop buying oceanfront properties. The Florida Keys are a good "canary in the coalmine" measuring stick for rising oceans. I'm aware of a lot of predictions that they will sink but haven't seen any evidence that it's happening.....unless all of those 50 million climate change refugees predicted by the IPCC show up and the Keys go under from the sheer weight.

[CPCFTW]

I'm sick of hippies labeling themselves as "compassionate". There's nothing compassionate about making the wealthy pay for everyone else to slack off. The world isn't compassionate and corporations aren't going to bring jobs to Canada because Canadians have more compassion for the environment. It's not compassionate to put people in Alberta out of jobs and make their families suffer because you don't want it to be 1 degree hotter in the year 2200.

We need to start teaching economics in high school so that these clueless 1st and 2nd year sociology/philosophy/communications/arts majors can stop negatively impacting this country so much. How can we expect 18-22 year olds who have been taught calculus, biology, and chemistry in high school, and maybe a year or two of socialist propaganda in university, to vote for the good of our nation?

[PIK]

Funny that Bush and his gang popularized 'climate change' as a way to make global warming sound less threatening.

oh and, Global warming is real, it is happening, and it is man made. I'd present some scientific data, but you wouldn't understand it.

Global warming to me ,means the globe is warming, it is not, some area's yes alot of area's no, so it is climate change. And nobody has proved why.

[dpwozney]

Man-made carbon dioxide emissions have not been proven to cause global warming or climate change. Therefore, artificial capture and storage of carbon dioxide has not been proven to be necessary to prevent or alleviate any supposed global warming or climate change alleged to be caused by man.

[RNG]

Man-made carbon dioxide emissions have not been proven to cause global warming or climate change. Therefore, artificial capture and storage of carbon dioxide has not been proven to be necessary to prevent or alleviate any supposed global warming or climate change alleged to be caused by man.

I believe you are right, but I have given up this fight a long time ago. The religion of CO2=Bad doesn't tolerate discussion. And ignores science. But thanks for carrying on the fight.

[wyly]

We need to start teaching economics in high school so that these clueless 1st and 2nd year sociology/philosophy/communications/arts majors can stop negatively impacting this country so much. How can we expect 18-22 year olds who have been taught calculus, biology, and chemistry in high school, and maybe a year or two of socialist propaganda in university, to vote for the good of our nation?

duh, I was taught economics in high school 40 years ago...

how can we expect millions of seniors who only have school grade or less to vote for the good of our nation?

surprisingly compared to US and British elected officials canadian MPs have lowest levels of education...

Edited April 27, 2011 by wyly

[wyly]

Global warming to me ,means the globe is warming, it is not, some area's yes alot of area's no, so it is climate change. And nobody has proved why.

actually it's accepted everywhere, only people who can't comprehend the science have problems with it...

[RNG]

actually it's accepted everywhere, only people who can't comprehend the science have problems with it...

It's mostly accepted by politicians like AlGore who set themselves up to make billions on carbon credits, and UN one-worlders who want to control us. Not much science behind it though. Look at the absorption spectrum of CO2 and compare it to water and methane, if you know what an absorption spectrum is. Then get back to me.

[Smallc]

It's mostly accepted by politicians like AlGore who set themselves up to make billions on carbon credits, and UN one-worlders who want to control us. Not much science behind it though.

[wyly]

It's mostly accepted by politicians like AlGore who set themselves up to make billions on carbon credits, and UN one-worlders who want to control us. Not much science behind it though. Look at the absorption spectrum of CO2 and compare it to water and methane, if you know what an absorption spectrum is. Then get back to me.

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