Bryan Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Tory+support+stays+high+ethics+falling+flat+Poll/4514126/story.html Conducted over the weekend (Mar 26/27) : 2095 respondents, margin of error = +/- 2.2 per cent, 19 times out of 20. Conservatives boast the support of 41 per cent of decided voters — 17 points ahead of the Liberals CPC - 41 LPC - 24 NDP - 19 BQ - 10 Seat projection: CPC - 162 (+19) LPC - 61 (-17) BQ - 51 (+7) NDP - 34 (-2) Edited March 28, 2011 by Bryan Quote
Oleg Bach Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 Or Harper is bloody terrible. Harper is a non-discript little bureacrat with no charismatic qualities what so ever. Iggy is an overly institionalized twit...and Layton is just a big kid who never got over reading Carl Marx back in high school...as for the French faction...they are a nation (family) within a nation (family)....they were so stupid that when it was declared that they were a distinct societ and a NATION WITH IN A NATION...they did not understand that they were being called common tenants and NOT land lords...The field of candidates is pitiful...I say let the banks continue to run things...so far so good. Harper was hand picked by the big dogs...and it is better to let a sleeping dog sleep. The theatrics that is politics is a very expensive production to maintain....millions are about to be wasted...... Speaking of waste...I saw this big fat black guy driving a full size city pick up truck...He was parked...motor running and he was searching for a name or address in a half bag of garbage...Because they want to fine some poor person for not wanting to buy one their expensive non-functional plastic garbage cans..This is Canada - a place where they pay a guy 28 bucks an hour to track down some person that did not pay his buck fifty garbage fee...probably because he could not afford it...we can little afford and election...It will make no difference what the results will be...It is high waste...and disrespectful of Canadians struggling to survive in an economically oppressive society. Quote
August1991 Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 CPC - 41LPC - 24 NDP - 19 This is just one poll but it is inline with others. It shows the effectiveness of Harper's coalition strategy. The NDP/CPC are rising at the expense of the LPC.Very soon, I would expect to see Ignatieff start to make very strong attacks against Layton and the NDP. But he has to do it in a way that doesn't alienate soft-left voters. ---- If the Tories stay around 40% in several polls, then I would say that the election is decided. Then again, I once thought that since Hillary Clinton was doing well in the polls, she had the nomination locked up. Quote
Bryan Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 Then again, I once thought that since Hillary Clinton was doing well in the polls, she had the nomination locked up. The difference for her wasn't so much that her support went down, rather that the DNC were selective about which votes to count. Quote
August1991 Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) The difference for her wasn't so much that her support went down, rather that the DNC were selective about which votes to count.When Hillary was high in the polls, both she and Obama were unknown quantities so her high poll ratings probably reflected her husband's name recognition.Everyone in Canada remotely aware of politics has heard of Harper, Layton, Duceppe and even Ignatieff. But admittedly, the Liberal strategy is that people don't know Ignatieff and once they do, his poll numbers will rise. When you are dealing with unknown personalities or ideas, then initial poll numbers are meaningless/random. If you are dealing with known personalities or ideas, the poll numbers reflect accurate trends. Edited March 28, 2011 by August1991 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 When Hillary was high in the polls, both she and Obama were unknown quantities so her high poll ratings probably reflected her husband's name recognition.... No, this is not the case for Hillary Clinton, who already had a high national profile as First Lady, champion of a failed health care initiative in 1993, Whitewater, and a very high profile campaign for election to the US Senate representing New York. Hillary Clinton may be a lot of things, but in 2008, "unknown quantity" was not one of them. It is one of the reasons she lost. Comparisons to a Canadian political dynamic are superficial at best. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Harry Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 Seat projections C - 152 seats L - 72 seats B - 51 seats N - 33 seats T - 308 seats http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/canada/319801/projections-de-sieges Quote
Wilber Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 At any rate, the UK just created a non-wartime coalition last year, not because the voters would or would not like it, but because he believed it the best path to produce a stable government that would do the hard things that need to be done. The voters will ultimately accept it or not, but the voters have their say on election day, and then Parliament has its say afterwards. There is an essential difference between the UK coalition and the ones proposed here. The party with the most seats in Westminster is leading it. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Shakeyhands Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 This is a pretty analysis of the current spot we find ourselves in.... Advantage.... Nobody I'm not familiar with James Moore, but going by the comments, he isn't one of the NP's CPC Darlings? Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Bryan Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 This is a pretty analysis of the current spot we find ourselves in.... Advantage.... Nobody I'm not familiar with James Moore, but going by the comments, he isn't one of the NP's CPC Darlings? It's John Moore, James is a different guy. Yes, his articles are decidedly left-of-centre. Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 Liberals to lose Quebec...? Best Prime Minister among national party leaders: Jack Layton 22% – Stephen Harper 17% – Michael Ignatieff 5%Voting intensions in Quebec, all respondents: Bloc Quebecois 38% –Conservatives 23% – NDP 20% – Liberals 11% Among Francophone voters: Bloc Quebecois 44% – NDP 21% – Conservatives 21% – Liberals 7% Quebec City area: Bloc Quebecois 36% – Conservatives 33% – NDP 22% – Liberals 8% http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/second-reading/brian-topp/ignatieff-hoisted-on-his-own-petard-in-quebec/article1959492/ Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
ROYME55 Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) Con 43 Lib 24 NDP 16 BQ 10 Green 6 http://www.nationalpost.com/news/Tories+begin+election+ahead+Liberals+poll/4498903/story.html I hope the polls are right and the Conservatives just wipe out the opposition as a lesson to them not to waste tax dollars on an unwanted election. The other pet peeve of mine is the comments that a coalition is not a bad thing. In the countries where they have a coalition government the parties are elected from across the country. In Canada there would be a party in the driver's seat that is only interested in one province. Do you really think that they wouldn't exploit that fact to the limit? The fact is it has the potential to tear the country apart. Edited March 28, 2011 by ROYME55 Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 I hope the polls are right and the Conservatives just wipe out the opposition as a lesson to them not to waste tax dollars on an unwanted election. The other pet peeve of mine is the comments that a coalition is not a bad thing. In the countries where they have a coalition government the parties are elected from across the country. In Canada there would be a party in the driver's seat that is only interested in one province. Do you really think that they wouldn't exploit that fact to the limit? The fact is it has the potential to tear the country apart. Agreed on the Bloc component of any coalition... However,Mr. Harper had no qualms,whatsoever,with a coalition with the NDP and the Bloc in 2004... Why was the idea A-OK then and not now??? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Bryan Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) However,Mr. Harper had no qualms,whatsoever,with a coalition with the NDP and the Bloc in 2004... Why was the idea A-OK then and not now??? It wasn't an A-OK idea then, that's why no such thing ever happened. Geez. The 2004 press conference is being played over and over again on CPAC (it's on right now in fact). Go watch it, and watch how all three of them strongly emphasize that there is no coalition. Edited March 28, 2011 by Bryan Quote
Harry Hayfield Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 Based on the average polls since March 24th 2011 (the day before the confidence vote), I have the following: Con 39% Lib 25% NDP 18% Bloc 10% Greens 8% Ind 1% Others 1% which is a Con lead of 14%. Based on a national uniform swing this would see the following result: Con 150 (+7) Lib 73 (-4) Bloc 49 (n/c) NDP 34 (-3) Ind 2 (n/c) with the Conservatives five short of an overall majority. Any Lib led coalition would be 73 + 49 + 34 = 156. Quote
blueblood Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 It wasn't an A-OK idea then, that's why no such thing ever happened. Geez. The 2004 press conference is being played over and over again on CPAC (it's on right now in fact). Go watch it, and watch how all three of them strongly emphasize that there is no coalition. The 2004 is the liberals only "defence" against the tories hammering them with the coalition of 2008. When the entire theme of the liberal's election campaign of ethics accountablity and transparency is shot full of holes because of the coalition of 2008 which canadians didn't find ethical, accountable, and transparent. I don't know why centre left posters keep bringing up the 2004 coalition here though. Its been ripped apart here ad nauseum, and greg weston on the cbc this morning on the first reality check ripped it apart as well. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
capricorn Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 Geez. The 2004 press conference is being played over and over again on CPAC (it's on right now in fact). Go watch it, and watch how all three of them strongly emphasize that there is no coalition. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Jack Weber Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 It wasn't an A-OK idea then, that's why no such thing ever happened. Geez. The 2004 press conference is being played over and over again on CPAC (it's on right now in fact). Go watch it, and watch how all three of them strongly emphasize that there is no coalition. I'm watching it right now... It sounds like they want to give the Governor General the heads up that the opposition party's are prepared to govern together if the minority Liberal gov't fell on a non-confidence motion... So,in other words (and in spite of all denials),a coaliton by another name... And Stephen Harper just said that it is PARLIAMENT that governs the country...NOT just the party with the most votes... PRICELESS!!!! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
punked Posted March 28, 2011 Author Report Posted March 28, 2011 Liberals to lose Quebec...? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/second-reading/brian-topp/ignatieff-hoisted-on-his-own-petard-in-quebec/article1959492/ All signs point to yes. Seems 5 time Montreal MP and Liberal is stepping down two days into the campaign. Nothing but bad news in Quebec for the Liberals. http://www.canada.com/news/Five+term+Liberal+announces+surprise+retirement/4515049/story.html Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 And now Harper is saying that you cannot just call an election because of a spike in the polls... uh...What about 2008 and breaking their own fixed election date law!?!?! This is spectacular!!! Keep talkin',Harper!!! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
capricorn Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 And Stephen Harper just said that it is PARLIAMENT that governs the country...NOT just the party with the most votes... PRICELESS!!!! He also said the government remains the government and, retains the responsibility and the opportunity to present legislation and programs. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Jack Weber Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 He also said the government remains the government and, retains the responsibility and the opportunity to present legislation and programs. Then why the letter the GG?? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 And now he brings up patronage appointments in the senate(and other places).... Mike Duffy,Larry Smith,Pamela Wallen anyone??? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
capricorn Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 And now Harper is saying that you cannot just call an election because of a spike in the polls... The Liberals were notorious for doing this. Chretien even called an election while he already held a large majority. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Jack Weber Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 The Liberals were notorious for doing this. Chretien even called an election while he already held a large majority. Yes he did... But ,again,Mr.Harper campaigned on accountability...Yet he pulled the very same stunt,in contravention of his own law,in 2008... "Standing Up for Canada!" Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
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