eyeball Posted April 1, 2011 Report Posted April 1, 2011 ...so why not shake the place up? Probably for the same reason astronauts tip-toe carefully amongst pods of Aliens. I wish the public would wake up. I do too but I don't think it will until it's too late. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
M.Dancer Posted April 1, 2011 Report Posted April 1, 2011 No way, I never would have pegged you as a lib voter. So what's your opinion of uncle Jean? He had a brilliant Finance minister Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
wyly Posted April 1, 2011 Report Posted April 1, 2011 (edited) It looks like the liberals are picking off ndp support while the tories are snapping up a lot of the undecided group, or as I call it the mdancer,guyser,bonam,capricorn,etc. group. At the end of the day that's the group that matters. oh please,the only thing your group of "undecided" is undecided about is extreme right fascism and the reform party, none are anywhere near a centrist...any claim to the contrary by any that they're objective undecided voters is BS... Edited April 1, 2011 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Bryan Posted April 1, 2011 Report Posted April 1, 2011 Harper opens up daylight on Liberals, as NDP make gains: EKOS Poll Were one to believe the media coverage, Stephen Harper’s Conservatives had a bad week on the campaign trail. But an EKOS/iPolitics.ca poll suggests the governing party finds itself in a significantly more comfortable position today than when the writ was dropped last weekend. CPC - 36.9 LPC - 26.2 NDP - 17.2 GRN - 8.7 BQ - 8.5 GRN - 8.7 OTH - 2.5 http://ipolitics.ca/2011/04/01/conservatives-open-up-daylight-on-liberals-as-ndp-make-gains-ekos-poll/ Lots of breakdown graphs on this site. Quote
ToadBrother Posted April 1, 2011 Report Posted April 1, 2011 Harper opens up daylight on Liberals, as NDP make gains: EKOS Poll CPC - 36.9 LPC - 26.2 NDP - 17.2 GRN - 8.7 BQ - 8.5 GRN - 8.7 OTH - 2.5 http://ipolitics.ca/2011/04/01/conservatives-open-up-daylight-on-liberals-as-ndp-make-gains-ekos-poll/ Lots of breakdown graphs on this site. The polling is so damned wishy-washy I'm not sure what we can gleam from it. I have a feeling we won't really know until very late in the campaign, or possibly not until election night. Quote
Bryan Posted April 1, 2011 Report Posted April 1, 2011 (edited) The polling is so damned wishy-washy I'm not sure what we can gleam from it. I have a feeling we won't really know until very late in the campaign, or possibly not until election night. I'm wondering if we are starting to see the limits of the small sample sizes these polsters use in the age of cell-phones and the internet. The wide ranges could be explained by luck of the draw WRT who happens to a) be home, b.) have a home phone, c) will actually answer that phone, and d) are willing to answer a survey. There was a day when that would be a lot of people, these days it's very few. Might be different enough that their margins of error are larger than they are willing to admit. Angus-Reid was the most accurate last election. Their polls are conducted online (by invitation). Properly managed with registration for each respondent, it's quite possible that it more accurately reflects a cross section of todays public. Edited April 1, 2011 by Bryan Quote
Wild Bill Posted April 1, 2011 Report Posted April 1, 2011 oh please,the only thing your group of "undecided" is undecided about is extreme right fascism and the reform party, none are anywhere near a centrist...any claim to the contrary by any that they're objective undecided voters is BS... Geez, all those years I spent with the Reform Party and I never once guessed I was an "extreme right fascist"! If only someone had explained it to me! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
ToadBrother Posted April 1, 2011 Report Posted April 1, 2011 Geez, all those years I spent with the Reform Party and I never once guessed I was an "extreme right fascist"! If only someone had explained it to me! Relax, Brown Shirt. Soon it will be time to take on the Bolsheviks and their foul leader, Comrade Layton. Quote
blueblood Posted April 1, 2011 Report Posted April 1, 2011 oh please,the only thing your group of "undecided" is undecided about is extreme right fascism and the reform party, none are anywhere near a centrist...any claim to the contrary by any that they're objective undecided voters is BS... Are you sure about that, they seem pretty centrist to me Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Wild Bill Posted April 1, 2011 Report Posted April 1, 2011 Relax, Brown Shirt. Soon it will be time to take on the Bolsheviks and their foul leader, Comrade Layton. As long as they're not armed with those dreaded Baryshnikov rifles! First they distract you by doing a little dance, then KA-POW! They shoot you dead! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Smallc Posted April 2, 2011 Report Posted April 2, 2011 I have traditionally been a Liberal voter...I turned to the dark side after the Liberals shed P Martin jr and embraced the even darker side... Me too. I couldn't vote for Paul Martin, because I was too young, but I liked him so much that I joned the LPC. I ripped up my membership this year (finally), and I have never actually voted Liberal. I stopped supporting thE Conservatives in December 2008....and Ignatieff quickly convinced me to go back to supporting them. Quote
wyly Posted April 2, 2011 Report Posted April 2, 2011 Are you sure about that, they seem pretty centrist to me ya centrist if you're Fransisco Franco, one of the list has approved of genocide so how does that fit on a centrist scale?...I've been on this forum long enough to know where most regulars stand...I'd like to withdraw my inclusion of guyser... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
blueblood Posted April 2, 2011 Report Posted April 2, 2011 (edited) New nanos poll http://m.ctv.ca/topstories/20110402/nanos-ctv-globe-poll-110402.html Tories @ 41 Liberals @ 30 NDP @ 16 Bloc @ 8.5 GRN @ 3 and change Punked must not be impressed!! Edited April 2, 2011 by blueblood Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Smallc Posted April 2, 2011 Report Posted April 2, 2011 Maybe punked won't be, but those are majority numbers given the Quebec and Ontario (they didn't list the Ontario results, but it's safe to assume they're still high enough above the others) results. Quote
Wild Bill Posted April 2, 2011 Report Posted April 2, 2011 Maybe punked won't be, but those are majority numbers given the Quebec and Ontario (they didn't list the Ontario results, but it's safe to assume they're still high enough above the others) results. Go here for the regional breakdowns. It looks even worse for the Liberals! http://www.nanosresearch.com/election2011/20110401-BallotE.pdf Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Smallc Posted April 2, 2011 Report Posted April 2, 2011 Go here for the regional breakdowns. It looks even worse for the Liberals! http://www.nanosresearch.com/election2011/20110401-BallotE.pdf The Conservative numbers in Ontario did come down a bit, and that's somewhat of a problem. Hopefully they'll go back up. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted April 3, 2011 Report Posted April 3, 2011 (edited) Interesting that the headline says that the Conservatives Lose Ground with this miniscule change. Seems to me the Conservatives have actually broadened their lead over the Liberals by a similar miniscule amount (Conservative fell by .6 while the Libs fell by .9) - wishful thinking by the author I guess : ..Conservatives lose ground in pollBy Jeffrey Hodgson | Reuters 1 hour 0 minutes ago EmailPrint......TORONTO (Reuters) - The Conservatives lost a bit of ground in an opinion poll released on Sunday, while still remaining in territory that might hand them a majority in Parliament in the May 2 federal election. The Nanos Research tracking poll of results over three days of surveys put support for the Conservatives at 40.7 percent, down from 41.3 percent in Saturday's survey. Support for the Liberals fell to 29.4 percent from 30.3 percent. Under Canada's electoral system, a party needs around 40 percent of the vote to win a majority of the 308 seats in the House of Commons. The Conservatives have a minority in Parliament and need support from at least one other party to stay in power. The daily tracking figures are based on a three-day rolling sample of 986 interviews, with a margin of error of 3.1 percent, plus or minus, 19 times out of 20. Link: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/conservatives-lose-ground-poll-20110403-064306-647.html Edited April 3, 2011 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
Bonam Posted April 3, 2011 Report Posted April 3, 2011 I'm wondering if we are starting to see the limits of the small sample sizes these polsters use in the age of cell-phones and the internet. The wide ranges could be explained by luck of the draw WRT who happens to a) be home, b.) have a home phone These things still rely on home phones? I don't know anyone in my generation who even has one of those. There is absolutely no reason to have one when you've got a cell phone anyway. Limiting the surveys to oldies who still use antiquated technology biases the results to the point of uselessness, I'd guess. I'd trust an internet poll over a phone poll any day. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted April 3, 2011 Report Posted April 3, 2011 It's John Moore, James is a different guy. Yes, his articles are decidedly left-of-centre. Are you talking about John Moore the radio and now TV talk show host? If so that is distressing - he reminds me of a perky British school boy who's mother constanly whispered in his ear..."Johnny, you are gifted and better than the rest" ....a little two sure of himself if you ask me...He likes to brag about being close to celebs and politicals...most insecure guy on radio - Next to John Tory who has the sexual maturity of a kid in the fifties storing up Eatons bra adds and considering it his porn collection. Quote
blueblood Posted April 3, 2011 Report Posted April 3, 2011 (edited) Are you talking about John Moore the radio and now TV talk show host? If so that is distressing - he reminds me of a perky British school boy who's mother constanly whispered in his ear..."Johnny, you are gifted and better than the rest" ....a little two sure of himself if you ask me...He likes to brag about being close to celebs and politicals...most insecure guy on radio - Next to John Tory who has the sexual maturity of a kid in the fifties storing up Eatons bra adds and considering it his porn collection. Bwahahahahaha!!! That was a beauty! Edited April 3, 2011 by blueblood Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
sweet frog Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 Very interesting poll here where you can vote with your IP ADDRESS. Maybe this sort of thing could be less biased if more people participated... It's allot better than calling people up during dinner time I would think. Quote
BC_chick Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 There were only 39 people who voted in that internet IP-address poll. My vote actually changed the figures! Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
TimG Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 Very interesting poll here where you can vote with your IP ADDRESS. Maybe this sort of thing could be less biased if more people participated... It's allot better than calling people up during dinner time I would think.A silly idea. I can easily grab as many IPs as I need and use them to vote. Quote
Bryan Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 Nanos daily tracking: April 4/2001: Tories enter second week with commanding 14-point lead Conservative - 42.3 Liberal - 28.4 NDP - 16.4 Bloc - 8.0 Green - 3.8 http://www.nanosresearch.com/election2011/20110403-BallotE.pdf The Conservatives have opened up a 14-point lead over the Liberals, according to a Nanos daily tracking poll, and start the second full week of the election campaign sitting firmly above the 40-per-cent mark – the kind of support that typically leads to a majority government.Stephen Harper’s party leads the Liberals in every region of the country, trailing only the Bloc in Quebec. The poll has now placed Mr. Harper at levels of support above 40 per cent for three straight days. That level is traditionally seen as the yardstick for forming a majority government. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/tories-enter-second-week-with-commanding-14-point-lead/article1969494/ Quote
GWiz Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 Very interesting poll here where you can vote with your IP ADDRESS. Maybe this sort of thing could be less biased if more people participated... It's allot better than calling people up during dinner time I would think. Good post... Very few votes so far, no way to change your vote down the line as this election unfolds, and the very fact that usually more than one person use the same computer (IP address without any other form of ID) are a bit of a drawback to getting a truly accurate result though... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
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