Conservative attack ads

[capricorn]

which has no point to offer other than to suggest Quebec can't be pleased;

A sentiment shared by many in the ROC.

which is a divisive assertion particularly as it's false given the historical Liberal attachments.

You're really hooked on this "divisive" angle.

apparently you are challenged by discussion across multiple posts and obviously can't follow the flow sequence unless it's pointedly laid out for you... this is the point in flow sequence where you actually speak to the, as you state, "gradual erosion of seats". Of course, I counter by highlighting the recent poll trends that show a significant Liberal rise in Quebec... at the expense of the BQ and the Conservatives... and, of course, I make certain to point out, once again, that the Conservatives are polling dead last, even behind the NDP.

I see. And to think, all this time I was blind to your brilliance.

[Sir Bandelot]

I've seen some of these attack ads and I admit, to me at least some of this criticism is justified. I never liked how he conducted himself when Dion was the leader. I do see him as an arrogant and self-centered opportunist.

Although I would vote Liberal long before I would ever vote for CPC, it also depends on who the leader is. For me, Ignatieff is not the guy.

[Oleg Bach]

The internationalist Trotskites at the CBC refere to a "plot" to destroy the liberal leader.....conspiracey eh? No such thing.

[waldo]

brilliant strategy!

Harris-Decima poll - Conservative attack ads have a negative effect on Stephen Harper & the Conservatives

The Canadian Press Harris-Decima poll found that about half the respondents said the ads had no impact on their impression of the Liberal leader, with 30 per cent reporting a negative effect on their attitude toward him.

However, just over half of the respondents said the ads have a negative effect on their feelings about Prime Minister Stephen Harper and the Tories.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

brilliant strategy!

Harris-Decima poll - Conservative attack ads have a negative effect on Stephen Harper & the Conservatives

The Canadian Press Harris-Decima poll found that about half the respondents said the ads had no impact on their impression of the Liberal leader, with 30 per cent reporting a negative effect on their attitude toward him.

However, just over half of the respondents said the ads have a negative effect on their feelings about Prime Minister Stephen Harper and the Tories.

That is what happens when you gamble, there is a potential to lose.

[noahbody]

However, just over half of the respondents said the ads have a negative effect on their feelings about Prime Minister Stephen Harper and the Tories. [/indent]

They're likely all sitting around scratching their heads saying, "But the focus group...."

[Leafless]

The Conservative Party of Canada was unable to get television commercials aimed at Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff broadcast by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation because the attack ads violated the network's long-standing ban on political advertising.

The Tories approached CBC officials before the launch of the "Michael Ignatieff: Just Visiting" campaign and were told that an internal policy prevented the network from accepting political ads outside of elections.

One Conservative source, speaking on background, said the party thought it was odd CBC would turn down its advertising dollars at a time when the network was struggling under financial pressures. CBC has had to reduce staff and programming as ad revenues have plunged.

More recently, the Tories have battled with Elections Canada in court over the agency's refusal to reimburse candidates for the costs of radio and television ads from the 2006 federal election.

There is no indication the Tories intend to challenge CBC's refusal to run the ads.

However, Adbusters, a Vancouver-based magazine, has been fighting a long-running legal battle to force media organizations to air "socially-minded public service announcements." Adbusters claims the Charter of Rights and Freedoms entitles any Canadian to buy advertising on public airspace. One of the rejected TV spots was to promote "Buy Nothing Day," an anti-consumerism event.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/News/rejects+...0661/story.html

It seems the CBC is a government within itself.

Hint...a Liberal one.

It should of been axed years ago.

[Borg]

How does one argue with your logic?

It is an ancient socialist organization that has sucked taxes from this country and made many libs rich

Cut it off today - if it swims fine - if it sinks - so much the better

Borg

[Moonbox]

At least they're sticking to their guns. You can't really call them partisans for abiding by their own rules until they start airing LPC commercials.

[ToadBrother]

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/News/rejects+...0661/story.html

It seems the CBC is a government within itself.

Hint...a Liberal one.

It should of been axed years ago.

Or maybe because the ad, even by political, is a travesty. If I were in a debate, and my interlocutor started using the kind of dishonest out-of-context quoting the Tories used, I'd walk off the stage. For a party supposedly filled with all these God-loving Christians, they sure don't mind being a bunch of immoral b*st*rds.

[sharkman]

Or maybe because the ad, even by political, is a travesty. If I were in a debate, and my interlocutor started using the kind of dishonest out-of-context quoting the Tories used, I'd walk off the stage. For a party supposedly filled with all these God-loving Christians, they sure don't mind being a bunch of immoral b*st*rds.

This is the problem with liberals. Simply ignoring all of the dirty Liberal tricks, they assume: 1)Any ad the Tories come up with is going to be a travesty since it attacks their leader and 2)Anything the CBC does in the political realm is above questioning. It appears they do know the CBC is leftwing organization.

About the God-loving thing, wake up dude, there are many representatives of the faith in the Liberal camp. Martin was a good Catholic, wasn't Chretien too? At any rate, by this logic it's okay to play dirty as long as you don't believe in God.

[ToadBrother]

This is the problem with liberals. Simply ignoring all of the dirty Liberal tricks, they assume: 1)Any ad the Tories come up with is going to be a travesty since it attacks their leader and 2)Anything the CBC does in the political realm is above questioning. It appears they do know the CBC is leftwing organization.

About the God-loving thing, wake up dude, there are many representatives of the faith in the Liberal camp. Martin was a good Catholic, wasn't Chretien too? At any rate, by this logic it's okay to play dirty as long as you don't believe in God.

My logic is based on the fact that the ad uses blatant out-of-context quoting (or, as we call it in the biz, quote mining). It's a dishonest, dishonorable tactic. Yes, I'm aware the Liberals do it. In fact, all political parties do it, because political parties are populated by the morally degenerate. It's just that the Conservative party is doubly hypocritical in that it seems to believe itself God's Own Party.

What I'd give for an actual discourse on the economy, rather than spin doctors inventing B.S. ads to attack each other with.

[Alta4ever]

It's just that the Conservative party is doubly hypocritical in that it seems to believe itself God's Own Party.

So you have proof of this?

[Smallc]

The CBC does not air political ads outside of election campaigns. End of story, case closed.

[ToadBrother]

So you have proof of this?

You, for one.

[Alta4ever]

You, for one.

Really have I ever said I speak for the Conservative Party? On top of that I would like to see the post were I stated that the Conservative Party was gods own party. You are fabricating lies.

[daniel]

The CBC does not air political ads outside of election campaigns. End of story, case closed.

The real "Fair and Balanced".

[Smallc]

You seem to think that the Hypocrisy that Harper constantly displays is completely acceptable...as long as he isn't a Liberal.

[Alta4ever]

You seem to think that the Hypocrisy that Harper constantly displays is completely acceptable...as long as he isn't a Liberal.

You seem to think that the liberal double talk is acceptable so we are at an impass.

[M.Dancer]

The CBC does not air political ads outside of election campaigns. End of story, case closed.

I agree.

[Smallc]

You seem to think that the liberal double talk is acceptable so we are at an impass.

All politicians double talk. You want to know why? Because when the public hears the clrea truth, they over react and jump to conclusions without ever knowing what they're talking about. I expect a politician to double talk, and so I've learned to understand what they're actually saying. I don't expect a Prime Minister who said he'd do things different to instead do things exactly the same...and then have people amke excuses for him.

[canfan]

How does one argue with your logic?

It is an ancient socialist organization that has sucked taxes from this country and made many libs rich

Cut it off today - if it swims fine - if it sinks - so much the better

Borg

What logic? That the CBC is partisan because it enforced a nonpartisan policy? That's not logic that's ranting without reason. Smallc and mdancer are right.

[KingIggy]

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/News/rejects+...0661/story.html

It seems the CBC is a government within itself.

Hint...a Liberal one.

It should of been axed years ago.

Harper supporters view the CBC EXACTLY as Republicans would.

Rightwing blindness, rightwing MADNESS.

Harper & Co. deliver REPUBLICAN STYLE attack ads on TSN, tune in there then.

[Leafless]

Harper supporters view the CBC EXACTLY as Republicans would.

Rightwing blindness, rightwing MADNESS.

Harper & Co. deliver REPUBLICAN STYLE attack ads on TSN, tune in there then.

Sure, sure.

CBC=Liberal=culture of entitlement

OTTAWA -- CBC's top executives spent more than $60,000 over six months holding meetings in luxury hotels and resorts and expensing such items as sparkling wine and limousine rides.

Documents released under Access to Information show the CBC spent at least $61,500 on nine meetings between January and June 2006.

The meetings were held according to CBC/Radio-Canada guidelines, CBC spokesman Marco Dube wrote in an e-mail. When face-to-face meetings are required, "off-site meetings are usually better to avoid disruptions."

Stays in expensive resorts topped the bill. More than $21,600 was spent sending 21 CBC and Radio-Canada human resources managers and senior executives to the ritzy Chateau Beauvallon in Mont-Tremblant, Que., for two days. The limo costs alone for one vice-president amounted to $1,009.94.

GET 'PAMPERED'

CBC managers headed to a neighbouring resort where, according to its website, "there is only one reason to come to Auberge Sauvignon: To be pampered and treated like royalty." That's where they dropped $1,612.93 on supper.

Twenty-two Radio-Canada executives enjoyed their own luxury retreat in the Laurentians, spending $6,028.41 at Manoir Saint-Sauveur.

A 1 1/2-day conference at Gatineau's Hilton Casino at Lac Leamy, just a few kilometres from CBC's Ottawa headquarters, cost at least $18,300. That included $11,406.17 on a banquet for 47 employees, with cocktail reception, dinner and a "social evening."

Four-star hotels were the location of choice for meetings hosted by CBC vice-president Richard Stursberg. A day-long meeting at the Renaissance Hotel, a few blocks from the CBC's Toronto headquarters, cost $3,481.65 for 28 senior television managers.

Tacked on the bill was an order for six bottles of Hillebrand Trius Brut sparkling wine. "Client has guaranteed 6 bottles but would like 2 additional bottles on reserve," states the hotel form.

DON'T TELL ANYONE!

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/MediaNews/2009...200261-sun.html

[Hydraboss]

At least they're sticking to their guns. You can't really call them partisans for abiding by their own rules until they start airing LPC commercials.

I have no use at all for the CBC as they are simply Liberal-supporting hacks. They air junk, and suck on the public-money tit. Axe them altogether and save taxpayers a billion a year.

That being said...how can you fault them for doing what they say they're going to do. No political ads. For anyone.

Credit where credit is due. The CBC is bang-on correct and should be commended.