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As you know, I'm a little more conspiracy resistant than some people here and I'm always reluctant to suggest malice where incompetence or stupidity will explain the situation just fine. But something is wrong and I do mean very wrong with the polling numbers we're seeing. Nobody who's an unknown jumps that much that quickly ever. Like it has never happened in the history of Canada and we've replaced leaders that were not popular many times. We've seen some pretty incredible bumps, john Turner got some pretty amazing numbers initiallyso did Kim Campbell but both of those were actually well known quantities who had been in politics for a long time in our country visibly. And it doesn't jive with what's happening on the ground. They're getting a few hundred people, maybe close to a thousand at the Carney rallies despite trying like hell and they're in prime carneyland. Poilievre is getting 3- 4 thousand and turning people away. Carney is making gaffe after gaffe, Poilievre is answering questions very well. Polls always lag but it just does not feel possible that the numbers can be what the pollster's are saying.

And does not own it. Period. Burning teslas because you don't like musk is not ok. I don't like the liberals. You vote liberal. If i burn your house down in 'protest' are you ok with that? Oh and what was your address again? Asking for a friend.

And then in 20 years just say 'we DID make reductions. Don't look, don't look, just trust us. we did. Worked great. Best reductions ever. We saved your life, seriously. The world.... poof! Ball of flame. But we came along and then wow. Saved. Anyway those conservatives want to put those big hairy spiders in your garage, you ok with that?

I'm afraid you did. Your initial claim was that it went down with the recession and as evidence you posted a cbc article which claimed there was no drop UNTIL the recession. No numbers just that claim as i recall. I posted real numbers, and they verified that there was a DRAMATIC drop beginning in the year after harper took over and it's far far larger than the shutting down of coal plants would account for. And in fact they kept getting shut down even into trudeau's time, the last one in 2017, yet trudeau's numbers kept skyrocketing until covid. So not only are you lying about what you said, you're also dead wrong about the coal plants Did you have anything else you wanted to bullshit your way out of shortly after saying it?

Sure , i made that point and so did others some time ago. However Herbie the furbie's claim was that 99 percent of all fentanyl crossing the border was heading north. I simply pointed out that no, other things come north but fentanyl heads south.

Yeah no election interference there or anything. The far left in the states is famous for doing this kind of thing. You will NEVER see it with a liberal candidate in canada but they do it all the time for conservative ones. Liberals - what did you expect them to play by the rules or something?

Canada. ie: not you.

elon musk does not own Tesla

LOL awwww muffin, did you get your feelings hurt again?! I know i know - you hate it when you get caught defending your beloved liberals when they can't be defended

I'm sure you think you're looking down at canada, but the fact is you're lying on your back. Like any good prostitute. We're content as long as we agree you're not going to call yourself a canadian. We don't need the embarrassment. It would be like having a retarded monkey hooker as a relative. YOU might be ok with that but we're not.

You mean I like to point out the facts. As I pointed out to you earlier yours are wrong. You posted a series of statements from the cbc and i posted the actual facts which pointed out what you and they said was untrue. You claimed they didn't go down till the recession and it was the recession that did it!! Yeah that's it! Never went down till then!! Then after i proved you were full of crap you're suddenly like "oh ,... er... oh yeah they DID go down before that. but.. umm ... it was.... umm.... ONTARIO!!! Yeah! But the entire amount of ontario coal plants shut down don't account for even a small percent of the reduction. And those shutdowns took forever stretching into 2017 in the end, yet emissions shot up almost immediately under trudeau. Sorry kid. The conservatives did more to reduce GHG than the liberals before OR after. And that's not ontario in the slighest

Nope. Sorry. Did you have any other lies you wanted to try out?

It's normal for people like you to mock their superiors. The lowest Canadian is still better than you.

Sure kiddo, now you run along the adults are talking.

CBC specifically said on their panel that it's a big deal and PP is right that it's a conflict. I don't think it's nothing.

Yep because he's never worked as an economist. That means he trained in economics but that doesn't mean he's an economist. But hey, you can clear this up no problem. tell me when he was ever hired as an "economist'? Not a banker or an investor but an economist. Maybe i missed that. Obviously you can't be an economist without ever having been an economist but sure, tell me where his job title was 'economist' and we'll both agree he was an economist. I've already provided plenty of quotes from official sources to say you're wrong. Monetary policy is separate from fiscal policy. Bankers worry about monetary policy and economists worry about fiscal policy. That is quoted above. So your lame assed attempt to try to conflate it with some sort of "big picture" is stupid and we both know it. Economists are not bankers, bankers are not economists. They are two different jobs. So what you're saying is you never taken courses in.... economics

Cocaine yes, meth I haven't really heard about. I had heard a rumor somewhere that we get more cocaine through our ports than our border but I could be wrong.

Well there you go, we can both agree or no Canadian and that you're an embarrassment either way

Let's say they're lying. Let's say people believe that the pictures 100% true. Which it probably is, he's that kind of guy. It still won't make any difference in the campaign. People that don't like him and would never vote for him will believe it could be him and people who do like him and want to vote for him will dismiss it. As we can see because you showed up to dismiss it Well exactly. True or not it's just not going to be a factor in this campaign

Then why were emissions falling under the conservatives long before the economy crashed? What they really showed us is if you want lower emissions don't vote liberal

there's no such thing as a 'tory' politiican. She's the premier of Alberta and a UPC party leader and of course she's going to do what she sees as being in the best interests of alberta and her party and her government and that's not got much to do with the federal party. She thinks that by palling around with these people she's going to get an energy carve out for alberta and so far it looks like she might be right. To be clear I don't approve of what she's doing right now at all but she answers to the people of Alberta and that's it. It's cheesy as crap to try and make it a federal issue especially when nobody's complaining about Doug Ford doing exactly the same things That's all complete nonsense. Jaggers is parading around a lady who says that Carney's company through her out on the streets in a renoviction you honestly believe that people are going to care that some non-federal politician is currently visiting some guy in the states who isn't even a politician at all? Give your head a shake

They will wait and see. They don't tend to take chances, they will wait and see what Vance will do. And even if Vance gets in there is a very reasonable chance he will kill these tariffs because at that point there is a very real chance that America's economy is going to be in the toilet if the uncertainty has not been resolved between now and then. Honestly they are already facing a huge amount of pressure from the expense and disruption to the economy that these tariffs have created already. Again Canada is America's biggest customer by far and while the reverse is true as well it means that if we stop buying American because of a war then the American economy is going to take a nasty hit. Trump knows this and has acknowledged there may be a recession. He thinks in the long run it will correct and he will benefit, but the reality of the situation is not favoring that point of view. And this is what economists from both sides of the aisle are trying desperately to point out to him Did you know for example the Canada sells oil to the Americans at a vastly reduced price compared to the world market? We've done it because it was easiest but we can sell that oil to other countries for more money, we just have to build the pipelines which we have never been fond of doing. America needs that oil and it will hurt your economy badly if it doesn't have access to it and right now Canadians are all excited about pipelines for the first time in forever to sell to other markets. You need our electricity too but they are talking now about building an Energy Corridor for the pipelines that will allow quebec and British Columbia and the maritimes which sell you a lot of energy to sell to some of our other provinces which are energy short right now like Alberta and Manitoba and Ontario that don't have the riches of hydropower. And sure you can replace that with new killer power or building more oil powered plants or the like but that will be expensive and time-consuming and problematic. America won't go belly up but your economy will suffer and as a result you'll see recessions or stagflation or periods of incredibly slow growth And the American people won't tolerate that. So trump has to come to a point of balance where he's encouraging growth in America but he's not tanking America's economy otherwise out of anger people will trash the republicans next election anyway. Republicans ran on lower inflation, better economy, better jobs, all that good stuff and you aren't going to get that in a inflationary recession.

They won't. There will be a few clips which younger people will see but the older people won't, there might be one or two new stories but it won't really explain anything, and everybody is going to think that she's nuts but they're not going to say she is pp's problem. And it's hard to condemn her and not condemn rob ford who also went off on his own. So it gets pretty easy for Poilievre to say we support rob ford in his efforts to protect his province, we support all of the other premiers taking the actions they feel necessary, we would encourage everyone to stay with the team Canada approach but it's up to the premieres to decide how to address this And that will be the end of that. Like I said, for die hard partisans who weren't going to change their mind anyway it's a no issue. Just like all of the partisans are laughing at Carney for his pictures with Epstein and people are starting to yell out at his rallies how many children did you sleep with. It's something to die hard conservative supporters will laugh at and point to but in the big picture that's not going to make a big difference Skipping the french debate in Quebec is going to make a big difference. Miss naming the polytechnique school and victim is a big thing. Transferring his company to the states is a big thing. Hiding his assets in Bermuda is kind of a big thing. Borrowing money from china is a big thing. But the fact that he was friends with Epstein is not, and the fact that Danielle Smith is a crazy rogue premier is not

The idea federal conservatives control Daniel Smith is stupid. And the vast majority of people simply aren't watching. This is kind of a desperation move from the liberals, which is similar to their move with trying to claim poilievre's Leadership run was tainted by India. It's just not what the election is about. The two issues that our front and center are the economy, which poilievre pulls far better in and who's the best to negotiate with trump, which currently Carney is pulling better at. The rest are side shows that are of interest to partisans but they weren't going to change their minds anyway Seriously dude nobody but diehards care. The vast majority of people don't even know who Ben Shapiro is. And they all think Daniel Smith is nuts anyway and don't believe that the feds control her.

It will. Again I don't think you understand the size of what we're talking about. Moving a factory, one Factory, might be possible within a relatively short time depending on what that factory does. Moving their production is an insanely more complex task. And yes it takes a long time. It's not just about building the thing, you have to select where you want it, find the land and work out the zoning, consider labour force accessability, a whole bunch of things that usually take a couple of years in the US if you go very very quickly before you even put the first shovel in the ground and if you're going to do that for your entire production.... that's not something that will happen in four years. And then there's the supply chain. U.S. industry needs Canada and Mexico to be competitive | Windsor Star He said an investment in a new plant takes three or four years from start to finish and it takes even longer to build a reliable supply chain. “It would take three to five years of dedicated application to move any specific number of vehicles around North America,” Fiorani said. “By then the landscape could change. This industry doesn’t and can’t move quickly. “Look how long it took for Honda to set up in North America in the 1980s. Once there was an agreement to build something, it took nearly another decade to relocate production here to keep their volumes adequate.” Remember that no factory builds cars. They all build or assemble PARTS of cars. There's no factory where raw materials go in one door and a car rolls out the other. As it stands today most parts have to go back and forth across the border several times as they're assembled and they move to the next stage. So even if they move SOME production back they would STILL be tariffed heavily. It's just easier to wait till the next president comes along. bad news dude, almost all of those still depend on some manufacturing in their home country for some components and often in Canada as well. The parts would still be subject to tariffs.