Aristides

So what, your post was about a WW2 bomber crew.

Whatever bud. You still can't make their parents take them.

Maybe they are and maybe they aren't but you still can't force the kids to go. Your immigration laws don't override your constitution. This will wind up in court if the government insists on making these kids leave and the government will lose. I've never maintained you can't deport the parents but this thread is about their kids. It's in the title.

No they can't. WTF do you think citizenship means? You just can't make up excuses to justify violating their rights or the fundamental protections guaranteed by citizenship. I don't know what a 10 year old wants. Maybe he does want to stay with his family but maybe his family believes he will be better off staying even without them. That's their decision whether you like it or not. You can't make a citizen (or anyone else for that matter) responsible for, or suffer the consequences of the actions of their parents

Can you guarantee you wouldn't try to do the same if you were stuck in some 3rd world shit hole run by gangs? I'm not the one making moral judgments here, I'm simply saying citizens cannot be forced out of their own country for any reason. Keeping families together is just the excuse being used to justify it.

The kids are citizens, citizens have rights. They can't be forced to leave the country of their citizenship any more than you can be forced to leave yours. Your constitution makes their children citizens.

Because your constitution allows them to. You can't blame people for wanting a better life.

The kids are citizens, they can't be forced to go with their parents and can't be held responsible for their parent's actions. I'm not making a moral judgement like you and using it as an excuse to force citizens to leave the country. They may well feel that their child is better off abandoned in the US than taken back to a country where they have no future. But then, we will never have to make that kind of choice for our children.

The mess is caused by the constitution that says anyone born in the US is a citizen. Period. We have the same law in Canada although it isn't in the Constitution. I don't agree with it, I think at least one parent should have permanent resident status or better for the child to get automatic citizenship. We don't have a big problem with illegals but birth tourism is an issue in some parts of the country. Women with advanced pregnancy come to Canada on a visitor visa, have their child to get it citizenship, then go back home. Not only does it produce citizens of convenience but it plugs up maternity wards in some hospitals forcing locals to use hospitals in a different town.

So you will be responsible for and have to look after the kids or dump it on local governments. That's all I've been saying. You guys were trying to say you could force the parents to take them along. You can't.

Answer the question. I don't know how many would take their kids, how many would make plans for them or how many would just leave them. All I am saying is whatever they decide to do, there is nothing you can do about it because the kids are citizens. So what are you going to do with the kids that just get left with no plans made for them?

Why do they need a plan? How can you force them? What are you going to do if they don’t, deport them?

Bullshit, they have been separated without their consent and what are you going to do with them if they do, you can’t deport the kid. This is too funny, now you want to lock them up which means they will still be in the country and then what will you do with the kid, put them in jail with their parents? Maybe some of them will prefer a US jail to what may be awaiting them if they are sent back.

They haven’t fled, they are being deported and you can’t deport citizens. WTF is the matter with you?

There is a case to be made for both but once one of these fires get away there isn't much that can stop it other than weather. Controlling brush in recently logged areas should be a no brainer but not possible in the other millions of square miles of forest.

Actually that’s not true, intense forest fires “crown”, the fire jumps from tree top to tree top.

User cites one case and condemns all illegals as criminals. He justifies deporting all because of a crime by one. So he is accusing them of a crime. Exactly, you have to provide a reason for holding someone. User claims they can hold all responsible for the actions of one. You guys refuse to answer the question. What will be done with these kids if their parents don't take them?

Habeas corpus basically means, show us the body. You can't accuse someone of a crime if you can't show a crime has been committed. You present one case and claim millions are guilty. You have not answered the question. What do you do with the kids if the parents don't take them? What do YOU do with them? You can blame the parents all you want but the reality is, they cannot be forced to remove citizens from the country.

Habeas corpus. But I forgot, MAGAT's don't believe in it. No you haven't. What happens to these kids if their parents don't take them?

One case out of millions of people so deport millions. I'm glad we can agree that you can't force people to take the kids with them. So what are you going to do with the kids if they don't take them?

There are millions of acres of forest in northern Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba that have never been logged as well as the NWT. Other than removing slash and planting more fire resistant species after logging and fires there isn't much in the way of management that can be done for the rest. Hotter, dryer summers and lower snow packs mean more fires. They also mean more thunderstorms and lightning strikes.

1944 was WW2 and Paris was liberated from the Nazi's in August. You should quit whatever it is you are on.

You say there are millions of illegals an d bring up one case. You can produce nothing that shows the are committing a greater rate of crimes than citizens. Stop with the bullshit, I have never pushed for anything of the sort. I don’t object to deporting people who enter illegally unless they are escaping persecution. Both our countries have a history of that. I’m just saying that you can’t force parents to remove citizen children from their country of citizenship. You can’t force any citizen to leave for any reason.

What crimes have they committed? I'm not saying you can't deport people who have entered the country illegally, I am saying you can't force them to take US citizens with them if they don't want to. At no time have I ever supported open borders, I do support due process. Laws aren't something to be ignored just because it is convenient.

We haven't changed the way they are managed but these huge wildfires are becoming far more frequent. Why? Drought and higher temperatures are making forests more vulnerable. Why are we experiencing more frequent droughts and higher temperatures? No one has ever said carbon tax would solve climate change, it was to encourage people to make the changes that would at least slow change. Anyway it is gone now so find another whipping boy.