paxamericana

Nah, we'll just place a bludgeon tariff on Canada because ultimately it is up to the Canadians to govern their own borders...

Yup medicare for all will fix everything... the socialist left keep telling us...

using Chinese raw materials...

Sure as soon as you stop China's transshipment of steel through Canada where they relabel Chinese steel as Canadian steel.... as for your self imposed tariff, you can thank Trudeau for that. https://www.ghy.com/trade-compliance/canadas-new-trade-enforcement-measures-regarding-steel-and-aluminum-product/

Free market determine winners and looser, it is the fairest of all system. Contrary to the interventionist train of thought that we ought to make more fair an inherently fair system. Why put trade barriers with the world's largest economy and jeopardize an entire trade partnership. The US has already offered a very fair term. It is Canada who wishes to promote protectionist trade, something the rest of the world need to move away from not towards. Once again, you are witnessing a moment in history of yet another example of American exceptionalism; where we fight to tear down trade barrier from protectionist soon to be third-world communist countries like China, venezuela, turkey, iran, north korea and Canada. I must say this American Kool-aid is pretty good.

Are you serious? The definition of a freemarket means un tethered trade. There isn't this give and take relationship you keep expounding. That is not free trade. Free trade means zero tariff, zero non tariff barrier and zero subsidies. Free trade is not give and take. Any party that thinks free trade should be a give and take is being intellectually dishonest.

What values is on the Nafta talk other then lefty progressive demands Freeland tried to shove down America's throat? What is Canada offering in return , what bargaining leverage does Canada have to get unfettered access to world's largest economy? Yet Trump was magnanimous enough to offer up free trade and ya blew it Canada. Good luck if you think your government is bargaining in good faith. Don't think Canada can cross the US and everything will be fine. Might I remind you what the cost is for countries who want to fight America and look tough, like Iran, Turkey and Venezuela. They're economically collapsed and that's not by accident. Take the carrot, avoid the stick. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40928114 The funny part is Canada's economy is collapsing even faster with the help of Trudeau and his cronies. Trump only slap a steel and aluminum tariff yet Trudeau decided to impose tax on a wide range of other goods affecting several different industry, weakening Canada's economy even faster. Yes indeed, Canada was offer unfettered free trade to the world's largest economy and it turned that down because it wanted to shove Canadian progressive values down America's throat? I think we all know who the real aggressor here is.

Remind me which country was it that won world war two and did so on two separate front across two vast ocean? Think of the infrastructure America had to build to support such a war effort. Canada is a cake walk, don't kid your self. Or....we could both adopt free trade and let the best competitor win while lowering prices and increasing productivity... There is no benefit in protecting the minority industry at the expense of the many. Look, dairy farmers don't need your help they're already worth an average of 5 millions each. I've said it before many times and its worth repeating, Canada should be viewed as a another state not a foreign country when it comes to trade. The differences in trade between the US and Canada are only highlighted by the protectionist policies for Canada's agricultural industry, something Trump is exploiting to hammer away at NAFTA, Canadians only have themselves to blame for their grievances by Agent Orange. Quebec is the product of your social "mosaic". These sort of things do not exist in America because we are a melting pot, we assimilate other cultures not adopt protectionist policy to refuge said culture. If they want to have their own separate culture then they can do that back at their own home country, nobody begged them to come over here expecting their culture to be protected from assimilation.

Lets look at this logistically, is it cheaper to ship in bulk to California or Vancouver I wonder? There are major port of entry along the American coast where they then can redistribute smaller truck loads of product to Canada. Again there is 330 million customer south. How many Sony TV will Canadians buy to fill up a ship compared to Americans? Again, Canada's population is the size of Texas. This notion that Canada should remain a separate foreign entity when it comes to trade is ludicrous. Free market will decide for Canada if getting out of NAFTA, at the expense of raising consumer goods, will be worth the pride to pay.

Instead of waiting on lipservice you can just elect a government that will kowtow to trump I er mean accept a new NAFTA agreement like mexico. It would be the least painful way to resolve this trade dispute. But I suspect that trade isn't really the issue with Canada, its what the word i'm looking for....oh yeah pride.

What's wrong with American hegemony and domination, I mean you're living in it now, since 70 years ago actually. Racism is not alive and well as you mentioned, i suspect this is due to a lack of historical context. We are no where near the era of civil rights nor are we in a Utopian society, something lefty keep comparing america to. This is the reason why the left keep thinking that America is not great, because they are comparing it to a non-realistic society while lacking any context of how much of a shit-hole the rest of the world really is. Trump is the direct result of unchecked leftist-ism, lefties railed against the most benign candidate the GOP offered up in 2012, Mitt Romney. It's your own fault for getting trolled by somebody like Trump. I'm just enjoying the heads exploding over things that isn't all that consequential while the intersectional left keep calling out conservative who don't agree with them homophobe, sexist, bully,racist etc... a double standard don't you think? Don't worry about me canucks I do that too. You're only getting attention from me because I find it amusing that there were 30 million extra people i could expound American propaganda to and get a reaction like the one I'm receiving.

This is not the american way. We are a melting pot, we strip what ever previous cultural identity you may have and replace it with a uniquely american one. Obviously this isn't done overnight its over the course of1-2 generations. Look at the italian americans, german american, chinese american, korean american, mexican american, african americans... now they are all just american. This reduces intersectionality and builds a more unified country. Also americans do not look up to other cultures simply because we are the best, american exceptionalism is omnipresent. We think the rest of the world should learn from us and not the other way around. The constitution is basically the holy scripture of why america is as great as it is. It protects individual liberty, something other countries and government keep eroding away. Canadians are generally viewed as somewhat effeminate here in america. This is mainly due to your communitarian tendencies of caring about what others think. This is the opposite for us american. We simply do not care about what others may think of us.

Struck a nerve? Wasn't trying to hide it...have you seen my profile. See it is me who find Canadians who are anti-american or anti-intercollusion fascinating. I mean Canada wouldn't have existed if it wasn't for you nay sayers. I'm just surprised Canada was't annex a long time ago. But i digress. Anyways trade should be used as a tool to integrate the Canadian economy further and further into America's hegemony. Then, then that's when we mail you your new driver liscense. This is America's final solution.

Tis me the biggest interlocutors on this forum, I said there is no cultural difference. Look, from America's perspective, Canada is the Sudetenland of Germany, like Austria or more recently Ukraine to Russia. Canada has a population roughly the size of Texas, just let that sink in. So while you're advocating for this multicultural fabric of society made up by a hodgepodge of pseudo groups ... Canada is therefore not a country and should be absorbed. Free trade is free trade. There isn't this give and take relationship, free market should dictate such specialization based on comparative advantage not artificial trade barriers.

Okay then why don't canada make that number lower? Obviously milk farmers who are now worth 5 million each is more important.

Because its true? Trump isn't the one tearing the country apart, its snowflake lefty who thinks intersectionality should reign over politics. Ever been in the military, or any major team sport? They can tell you it ain't about you. Its about the team. Get over your self. Nobody cares about you enough to cause you all these percieved injustice. Also you can't fix past injustice. Find individual cases of where there is injustice and we will be right along fighting it. But don't tell me society failed you.

Steel and alum is a national security threat because without it you can't build tanks and ships. Also its actually meant to target china's transshipment through canada that canada could have stop them selves but nooo. We didn't tariff everyone, not australia and Brasil. Just china and everywhere else china dumped their surplus on. Tariff for china's transgression is well deserved. Second its about time somebody trolled the snowflake intersectionality left. If agent orange has to be called upon then even better.

Which is why canada should take trump's generous offer on free trade. He's offering to remove all barriers. You haven't address the question. Why don't canada accept this free trade offer. It benefits BOTH parties. As for national security, are you joking that's "insulting and unacceptable."-Trudeau .Is this the 1940s and germany is invading canada? Your neighbor is the most powerful country on earth. You think there is someone around willing to do a embargo or blockade food to canada.

And yet trump was the one who offered, zero tariff, zero non tariff barriers ie supply management and zero subsidies. So why did canada reject free trade? Food is a matter of national security to who, the agriculture cartel of canada? Is there such a thing as national security interest of canada? I mean they are located next to the most powerful nation on earth.

Hate it or love it but that's where the world is heading. Consumerism is king and so is financing. Its the natural progression for all economies, to consume. We all would be without jobs if it weren't for consumers.

Or you could just buy it from us in america for a lot cheaper... you know where our warmer climate is more efficient for growing...a natural comparative advantage that canada artificially tried to subsidized through trade barrier and supply management at the cost of canadians like your self. Growing food locally is a relative word. My salad comes from the fields of mexico.

Pipe dream. As we tried to explain, tariff hurt the rest of the world a lot more than it hurt us. International trade is only roughly 20 percent of our gdp. And most of that is import not export! America to the rest of the world: get over your self.

Lets be pragmatic realist here, religious ideology and geopolitics are two very different issue that are often conflated. America is trying to partner up with whoever serves our geopolitical interest. As imperfect as Saudi Arabia is , much like Canada is an imperfect ally to the US, we will still do business and maintain diplomatic relationship. Some for better some for worse. Can you imagine the shock and confusion Americans had when we didn't receive an apology after you counter tariffed us. But in keeping with America's perfect record on non-intervention we didn't start a war over it. On a serious note, I don't think its fair to say the Trump administration is bowing to them. More like the reverse. " Last June, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates led an embargo by four Arab nations of Qatar, accusing the tiny, gas-rich nation of funding terrorism, cozying up to Iran and welcoming dissidents. Years of perceived slights on both sides of the conflict added to the bitterness. Mr. Pompeo’s predecessor, Rex W. Tillerson, spent much of his tenure trying to mediate the dispute, which also involved Egypt and Bahrain, but without success. The Saudis, keen observers of Washington’s power dynamics, knew that Mr. Tillerson had a strained relationship with President Trump and so ignored him, particularly because Mr. Trump sided with the Saudis in the early days of the dispute. But Mr. Pompeo is closer to Mr. Trump and thus a more formidable figure. And in the nearly 11 months since the embargo began, Qatar has spent millions of dollars on a Washington charm offensive that paid off earlier this month when its leader, Emir Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani, had an Oval Office meeting with Mr. Trump during which the president expressed strong support for the tiny country. " https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/28/world/middleeast/mike-pompeo-saudi-arabia-qatar-blockade.html

Fundamental Islam is incompatible with western culture. Why do you automatically assume I'm speaking about the entirety of Islam, where did i mention that I was on a crusade to erase Islam? Again, fundamental Islam is the issue here, which is why i brought up reform. The length of time it takes for an extremist to sort their views and behavior out is irrelevant to me. If they want to adopt a 7th century way of life and attack others for their beliefs then they can do that in heaven. I'm not in the business of reconciliation. I'm in the business of death. If they were serious about reform they wouldn't be advocating for violence as required by sharia law. Their extremist ideology played out on the streets of Raqqa and Aleppo for the world to see so don't pretend it won't happen when they take over the streets of London, New York and Toronto . Why would arguing against fundamental Islam automatically make you a white nationalist. This is the problem with identity politics that both right and left suffer from. The far right choose to adopt a identity of whiteys, as if that was a real identity. Same for the left, they chose to adopt a bi-lesbian trans-women identity, again as if that is an actually identity. You need to address the merit of the idea you are debating not the identity of said group or person. I will say that Canadians are generally better about this than Americans, which is why I like debating you canucks.

Tell that to the dairy farmer and farming cartel of Canada. You are right though, That is why its all flowing out of canada.