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Get back to me when you have understood that it wasn't Mossadegh that employed those riots...lol The rest is just drivel...

Mods make/allow insults of Trump, but not allowed for Trudeau.

Trump correctly tweeted that Russia took the Crimea on Obama's watch. Now that's what I call cooperating with Putin !

While Kellyanne Conway may be garnering a few headlines and ought to be investigated by the ethics committee, she's basically a joke and I suspect harmless so American's ought not to focus too much on that, but Trump may/should be investigated under US code 2381."aid and comfort to US enemies". That's tantamount to treason. Ivanka selling a few more or less dresses isn't nearly as important I would say.

I nearly coughed up my coffee listening to Spicer today telling about how "tough Trump has been on Russia". Breitbart is getting some stiff competition on the fake news front it would seem.

If this was happening in a post election Democratic White House administration I would expect the Republicans would be encouraging the 2nd Amendment folks to mobilize so the nation could be rescued from the treasonous traitors in power.

Have been told by a moderator that revision of history is "off topic" as it is not a competition in history lesson and get a warning for that...This is totally uncalled for as some of the debates here is trying to revise the history even though evidence has been provided...

Netanyahu felt welcome. It was a good scene.

Gee, being a Trudeau fan boy..........you sound like a sour grape. Trudeau got his payback. Big time.

Perhaps because he is the Prime Minister and has a concern about global warming.

Trudeau inherited a country who's international image had been hollowed out by nearly a decade of conservative rule under Harper. It will take some work to revive it but JT is getting there. In his year he has done tours to the G20 and Commonwealth summits, the Paris climate summit, hosted the 3 Amigos, greatly improved relations with the US, impressed the G7 members by his performance at that summit in Japan, and showed renewed interest and participation at the UN. How's Trump doing so far?

Justin Trudeau is now fully exposed domestically and internationally, with no backstop or support from the previous U.S. administration. He is too weak and unimaginative to lead a "postnational" Canada without any "core identity" through worldwide economic and political change. Trudeau has only reacted to things so far....watching and hoping that other foreign leaders of far more relevance don't upset the status quo too much.

You stated " without intelligence, face to face interviews are not effective". You make that statement with zero basis. Its absolutely illogical for many reasons. First, any face to face interview is inherently an intelligence gathering exercise that will serve as the basis for intelligence. Intelligence without face to face interviews is uncorroborated and can not be tested for veracity and accuracy. Interviews allow this testing. Interviews do not need intelligence to be effective. I spent 20 years interviewing individuals to try determine if they were sex criminals with NO evidence. How do you think we gathered it? Everything starts with the face to face and non verbal language is how we communicate. 90% of what we say is done non verbally. Its what people DO NOT say, not what they say we listen for. So you are just out and out wrong and need to read up on what interviewing is before you make statements based on false uninformed decisions. Its there on the internet. Nothing's stopping you. Next you made the sweeping statement, " Canada does not have the intelligence to identify suspect terrorists anyways." Of course we do. When a potential immigrant or refugee is being interviewed they are being vetted not just to see if they are a terrorist but what other issues they may be bringing with them, i.e., medical illnesses, psychiatric illnesses, problem relatives, lack of skills, red flags that they may be a fugitive evading an arrest, a kidnapper, they may be a war criminal, an illegal drug smuggler, a people smuggler, a money launderer. on and on. So your comment is not only illogical but it misses the point. Screening at borders detects many things not just terrorists. As for your comment in fact Canada is in a intelligence network called the Five Eyes. It shares intelligence on terrorists with Australia, New Zealand, Britain, The United States and France. It also has special arrangements with NATO countries, Israel, Egypt, and Interpol as well as Japan, South Korea, India. In fact you have no clue as to the network of intelligence Canada engages in and shares its information with. Intelligence can be exchanged through CSIS, the military's branches of operation (airforce, navy, army, coast guard), RCMP, provincial and local police forces, and municipal, provincial and federal level government agencies. So don't pretend there is no intelligence. That's absurd. The fact you don't get told who does what does not mean it doesn't exist. More to the point and you clearly don't get it, some people are not terrorist but are vulnerable or prone to getting recruited into terrorist cells or criminal cells or are victims of crimes and so the time to gather info on them is before they become criminal or terrorist. Zip over your head. It is unfortunate but many female refugees have been raped or are being raped and child molestation rates are high. This has to be screened for. Next you make the ridiculous statement there are 10,000 Israeli spies in some network and another 100,00 working in intelligence "just gathering info on arabs". Of course like your other statements you provide no references. You spew out such comments with zero basis. You pose fabricated allegations as if they are fact. In fact you have no clue how many people who are in fact Israeli citizens are intelligence operatives let alone what information they gather. What makes your comments even more idiotic is that when people gather intelligence information, no they don't simply focus on "arabs". They look at anyone and everyone. Next you stated. " WE don't have that in India or Syria or Pakistan". What you are a citizen of India, Syria and Pakistan all at once? What you claim to be an expert on the intelligence operations of all three nations now as well as Israel? That's something else considering you have been unable to provide one reference for any of your information. I thought you worked intelligence for the Pacific Island nation of Tonga. You had me fooled. Next, do you really want to come on this forum and make a blanket sweeping statement that India and Pakistan do not have intelligence gathering operations and the same for Syria? Get real. What the hell do you thinkt he Mukhbarat is in Syria? You have any idea how they operate? Clearly not. Pakistan and India have complex multi-layered policem government and military intelligence operations. Finally let me address this bizarre comment you made to me:" It is you who demanded jew people be segregated from arabs and from whites and other races, why don't the israelis integrate with the arabs? " To start with, let's be crystal clear. You have come on this forum numerous times advocating on behalf of "blacks" and "African-Canadians" that they be removed from white schools and placed in their own white free schools. Your comments are record on this forum. All anyone has to do is plug in your name and they come up. I on the other hand have never advocated at any time on this forum or anywhere, that I believe in segregation in schools based on ethnicity as you do. Put up or shut up. Find one post from me where I advocated this. You assume because I believe Jews have a right to a Jewish state no differently than an England has an Anglican state or the Vatican is a Catholic state or Thailand is a Bhuddist state or India is a Hindu state or all the Arab League nations are in fact Muslim states, that this means I believe in segregation. You assume Jews are segregated from "Arabs" in Israel. This is a false assumption. First of all Many Israelis are Arabs, i.e, they are Tsfardic or Mitzrahi Jews meaning they come from Arab countries or their parents or grandparents came from Arab countries and they speak Arabic. In fact 900,000 Arab Jews were forcded out of the Arab word with 700,000 forced to flee to Israel as retaliation for Israel becoming a Jewish state. Many Jews today are descended from those 700,000. Even we Ashkanazi Jews which I am one have been shown through blood tests to be genetically linked to people of the Arabian peninsula. Arabs are semites. Technically Jews and Muslims are semite but Christians of the Middle East can be just as Arab as Jews or Muslims. You clearly have no idea what an Arab is. Arab is the common word used to refer to people of or from the vicinity of the Arabian peninsula no more no less. Arabs are people of many religions. Gamel Nasser reconstituted the word Arab to mean people of the Arab League of Nations and whose common language was Arabic but were not Jews. Before that Arab referred to the Beduins and people who had descended from them. Egyptians never called themselves Arabs.Sunni Muslims in the Middle East may or may not identify themselves as Arabs, Christians do not although some in Israel or the West Bank or in Jordan might. Shiites do not The so called Arab League nations use the word Arab in the Nasser pan Arab Nationalist description not to say they are descendants of the Beduins. Berbers and Kurds and Druze are as "Arab" as Beduins, so are Bahaiis, Jews,Christians, certain Zoroastrians, they just don't call themselves Arabs. Next you have no clue what goes on in Israel. No "Arab" in Israel, i.e., no Israeli citizen who is not Jewish, i.e., is Christian, Muslim, Bahaii is segregated from Jews. That is an out and out lie based on your ignorance of what you think Zionism means. In fact the only apartheid in the Middle East is practiced in all the Arab League nations following Sharia law precisely because Sharia law is not separated from Muslim religion and is enforced by these Muslim states. Sharia law defines non Muslims as dhimmi. Dhimmi can not own land, and are not considered equal in law to Muslims and therefore the state institutionalizes the inequality through forcing them to live in assigned ghettos and agree to conform to laws that deem them inferior. You have no clue what dhimmitude is, how Sharia law defines non Muslims and why Muslim countries define non Muslims as infidel. Your selective moral outrage speaks for itself. You are silent as to apartheid enforced by Muslim nations through Sharia law. You are silent as to how it defines non Muslims as inferior. You are silent as to how as we speak black Muslims from African nations such as Senegal, or how Muslims from Pakistan, Bangladesh, the Philippines, Indonesia, Chad, Dahomey, Niger, Malawi, Nigeria, Sudan are sent to Qatar, Oman, Bahrain, the UAE, Saudi Arabia and used as slave labour. Slavery based on skin shade is alive and well in the Muslim world with a class system of Muslims defined on their physical and skin features and you Sir ignore it. You then spew made up facts about Israel. Non Jewish Israelis precisely because of the concepts of Zionism and state laws have all the rights of Jewish Israelis. They have the very rights no Jew or non Muslim has in an Arab state. Muslim Israelis are treated in the same hospitals, have their land rights and human rights enforced by the Israeli Supreme Court, elect members to the Knesset, engage in stating and writing whatever they want on t.v. or in the press. In fact the discrimination non Jewish Israelis undergo in Israel is the exact same thing as any Israeli Jew. If they don't serve in the armed forces which is their right, they don' get security clearance to work certain jobs. Its not based on their religion, but their lack of military identification.In fact some of the Israeli Defence Force's bravest soldiers have been Arabs, i.e., Muslims, Druze. The Bahaiis have their headquarters in Tel Aviv. To show just how false your comments are, Israel recognizes each and every land title of Christian churches in Israel and this is why they pay rent to these churches for government buildings built on Christian lands in Jerusalem The Palestinian Authority and Hamas do not recognize any right of any non Muslim to land title anywhere in the Middle East. Israel does. The Arab League of Nations refuses citizenships to Jews. Israel allows non Jews to become citizens of Israel. Israel fast tracks citizenship for Jews to become Israeli no different than 145 other countries do with designated ethnic groups and examples include, Japan, China, Taiwan South Korea, Belgium, Ireland, Germany, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuaania, Poland, Finland, Sweden, I taly, Slovakian Republic, Ukraine, to name just a few countries. Palestinians from the West Bank who wish to marry Israelis of any religion will be stopped at this point for security reasons. It certainly is a problem with them. Because the standard of life for Israeli Arabs is so much better than Arabs on the West Bank, if Israel permitted Palestinian Arabs to marry Israeli Arabs within months or years, the majority of Israel would stop being Jewish. That is true. But that is no different than Arab countries not allowing non Muslims to marry and become citizens unless they become Muslim first. What you are also ignorant of is that Muslim Israelis and Jewish Israelis can opt out of Israeli religious and family laws. As a reform Jew I would also opt out of Jewish law if I was an Israeli citizen and follow Israeli state laws on family law because I am a progressice and believe the laws should be non denominational and not refer to religion and Israel law does that. No such choice exists for non Muslims in Muslim states. Israeli laws also prevail and are enforced on all Israelis of any religion when it comes to treating gays or women as equals unlike in the Arab world. On the West Bank, Jews and Palestinians live segregated from one another as do ultra-orothodox Jews because of terrorism. There are 200,000 ultra orthodox Jews who do not recognize the right of Israel to b e a Jewish nation and who state until the Messiah returns the creation of an Israeli state is an abomination against God. They are anti Zionist and wish nothing to do with 200,000 Jewish settlers on the West Bank who are not religious at all. There are another 200,000 Jews with varying degrees of strong political beliefs that the West Bank is as much the land of Jews as any Muslim. Hamas and the Palestinian Authority refer to the anti Israel ultra-orthodox Jews who have lived on the West Bank since Judaism began as infidel who must be expelled or killed when the Palestinians take back Jordan and Israel. The position of the PA and Hamas remains the creation of a Muslim sharia law state in all of Jordan, the West Bank, Israel and the Gaza and their Charters state the solution to deal with Jews is to wipe them all out. The charters envision a world war in which Jews and Christians from the entire planet are either killed or converted to Islam and the Palestinian state will be step one before joining with other Arab states to take over the world and have a one world government, a one world Muslim government run by a Muslim clergy council of caliphs. Interestingly that ultimate genocide of non believers and turning the world into a Muslim state, you of course ignore. So do me a favour don't tell me what I believe. I believe Palestinians and Israelis, Jews, Muslims and Christians all have equal rights. I believe in a two state solution. I believe if Palestinians disarmed and denounced terrorism, Israel would take down its wall and pull out the Jews from the West Bank as part of a comprehensive peace. What I know is Muslims and Jews in Israel interact every day. I lived there. The majority deal with each other and are not allowed to liv epeacefully side by side because they have no control over Hamas and the PA.I worked with both. You have not. You do not understand either. Both sides have lived and worked together. Unlike you they do no consider each other inferior or superior to one another. They are desert people. It call comes down to how much water does one have and can they share it. It all comes down to water.

Argus I agree the wording of the motion is problematic in that it does not define Islamophobia and seems to put it on a higher level of priority than other forms of discrimination. I also personally believe its redundant as the Charter of Rights, Criminal Code and human rights laws of each province already provide remedy for the issue. I do respectfully disagree on one point. Motions are an exercise in politicians farting. Its gas. Its hot air. Its rhetoric. Its feel good babble. What our legal system has shown us at all three level of governments is that when someone proposes a study, its a meaningless phrase. Studies are what? Its an excuse for some patronage appointment or perhaps some senators to draft a white paper and make themselves feel important. Its piffle. The only reason this motion has gotten any attention is because of the word "Islamophobia" being singled out and given some kind of special status. Clearly that is as a result of the Mosque incident and a politician seeking to exploit the issue. The politician is Muslim so can say she is concerned as a Muslim representing many Muslims in her riding that the latest attack on the Mosque makes them all frightened. She will express her subjective views and those of other Muslims. I say you should not take the bait and assume its a conspiracy to prevent free speech. The best way to handle politicians pandering to ethnic votes whether they do so honestly or not, is to make the language as neutral as possible when referring to the kind of discrimination. I believe the MP has already agreed to do that. I myself feel its a pandering exercise by a Muslim who feels compelled as a politician to say something. I don't think her intention is evil, intended to snuff out free speech or even deliberately exploit the issue. Personally I find the wording ironically discriminatory but I think it was unintentional. Hope that clarifies it. I do concede there are quite a few journalists who have reacted feeling it could trigger unintended consequences. I myself don't react to motions. To me I expect politicians to make loud noises. They are full of legumes. On a more serious note, I think the Parliament already addressed the issue which is to stand up, denounce the act, condemn it, and then move on. Our country has good laws in place to deal with hate crimes including religious discrimination. There is an incident in Quebec where the police were jumpy and arrested someone for making a sacrcastic statement on a blog questioning how Islamophobia would be wiped out. The blogger asked in sarcasm whether this meant wiping out all Muslims. That comment was taken seriously and the individual was arrested, held over night and told to get medical care. The individual claims his freedom of speech was violated and he was being sarcastic and simply was trying to show how impractical it is to say you can wipe out any hatred. We are at the point now where people want to censor words. I get your concerns. Political propriety has become so damn prevalent, it does curtail free speech because there is such a fine line between what is hateful and what is not. Someone ask I suppose Michael H the moderator on this forum how slippery that line has been for him. Its not easy to know when words go over the line to become so hateful as to constitute a crime and no longer just an opinion of freedom of speech. We live in a democracy. That vital right of freedom of speech and when to step in and say its gone too far its now a hate crime, is a tough one. So I do not underestimate the concern. I don't like government having too much power. I get it. I don' like censorship. Me personally I think educating the next and younger generations to see more than one side of an argument and to understand how words can unintentionally hurt is far more effective in the long term than motions by politicians. Hatred is ignorance. Ignorance is learned. Ignorance is taught. So can tolerance be learned and taught. Using motions or laws to change peoples' behaviour, doesn't work. It forces constraints on them with consequences for breaking laws, but that deterrence or prevention of displays of hatred doesn't change the hater from hating. It simply sends it underground. Sometimes I think and I know its stupid and naïve, the best way to deal with hatred is in the gym in the boxing ring. Man if we could just take all the idiots and have them learn to box. When you are in th e ring, your realize people bleed, sweat, smell the same. Anyone I boxed with whether they were Irish, Brazilian, French Canadian, Muslim, Jewish, when we were done we were always o.k. with each other. It was like playing hockey or football. It was the equalizer. Its why in the old days a lot of minorities joined the cadets or armed forces or by scouts. We had institutions and sports that were equalizers and put us on a common ground. We lack such things today. Give me a weekend with kids from any culture. Let me take them out in the woods survival camping and dependent on one another to eat and get shelter. That's how you deal with ignorance. Nothing like the need for food and shelter to smarten people up. Give people a common cause. Of course we can't do that. In today's environment organizations that promote common causes have become frowned upon. Ask any soldier to explain what I am talking about. The military is no panacea for ignorance, but soldiers who go through certain things together and had to survive, their skin colour, religion well it doesn't mean much when they have to keep each other alive and do. I have seen that when these guys return and how they talk about each other. That I get. You go through a common cause to survive things like religion or race become meaningless. Its too bad we have to get people killed to realize that.

Either way, deploying a new generation of cruise missiles with nuclear capabilities is really stirring-up the hornet's nest. America has pretty much eliminated nuclear cruise missiles as they are a very iffy weapon. Only strategic bombers carry them now (the model 86). Even then, only on certain occasions...or by mistake! The reason why they are iffy should be obvious...but if not: you never know if you're under nuclear attack with cruise missiles. That is until one explodes...or crashes on an unintended target. Many cruise missiles have both nuclear and conventional warheads. So in a crisis situation...you might need to wait an hour or more to find out the truth. No such ambiguity exists with ICBMs. The last thing one wants when facing global nuclear annihilation is a bunch of question-marks before your forces react. And speaking of question-marks...the USA with all its safeguards DID transport nuclear armed ALCM-86s by MISTAKE...oooops. Now imagine the rest...who use lower safety standards re: nuclear weapons.

No one corrected Sean Spicer when he called Orlando "Atlanta" either. They let him run his mouth and make fun of him later. It's rude to correct someone while they're talking, and nobody wants to make Spicer mad because he might have another tantrum at the podium. CALM SPICEY AIN'T HAPPY ABOUT BEING CORRECTED, FOLKS! Is this why so many conservative snowflakes seem upset about Trudeau's looks? They're afraid that he "looks gay"? uh no. Shinzo is his give name. Abe (pronounced ah-bay, not "aeb" if you were wondering) is his family name. His granddad was Kan Abe, his dad was Shintaro Abe... of course in Japan they'd be known as Abe Kan, Abe Shintaro, Abe Shinzo. I was wondering about this from your earlier thread when you talked about Trump being "on a first name basis with Abe!"... clearly you missed something. Mind you, it's not out of the question that Trump himself also thinks the PM of Japan is a guy named Abraham "Abe" Shinzo... -k

Yes, Israel is such a bully. 8 million ppl in a country a little bigger than PEI making those hundress of millions of hostile muslims shake. How dare they, right? Never heard Israel declare their goal is the genocide of the entire muslim community. Hitler and the leaders of Iran on the other hand. Superficial opinion? Israel has a right to be there. The Muslim community wants her gone. Israel is not going to use nukes on a reckless way. Iran sure as hell would. That's the truth.

Yeah me too! He is such a lovely man!!! Cannot same the same thing about Trudeau. But he doesn't matter.

Trump leads Trudeau to more border security....of course. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/border-security-terrorism-organized-crime-1.3983105

Maybe stay away from Breitbart and read some reliable sources. If you do you will find that Trump may have moved even closer to the possibility of impeachment following revelations of the constant connections existing throughout the campaign betwen Russia and the Trump team. The turmoil grows by the day, and that's just what we see outside the WH.

Furthermore, why would Canada want to deplete the population of another nation? How can that nation recover at all, if all its educated people have all gone to Canada?

I think Herb Grubel - an immigrant himself - put it as succinctly as possible in this column in which he puts the cost to Canada of our present immigration system at $30 billion per year. The most important difference between modern Canada and when previous waves of immigrants entered this country is the existence of the welfare state. In the absence of its universal social benefits in the past, only healthy immigrants with strong work ethics, drive and skills came to Canada. Under present conditions, potentially many immigrants would not possess these qualities and impose heavy fiscal burdens on our welfare programs and ultimately bankrupt them. It is for this reason that Milton Friedman, one of the world’s most ardent advocates for human and economic freedom concluded that, “The welfare state and free immigration are incompatible.” http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/herbert-grubel-canada-should-not-open-its-doors-to-the-world

Not that I've seen. So far they're mostly falling all over themselves, including O'Leary, to show how inclusive they are and how much they embrace wide open immigration and oppose any screening whatsoever other than for criminal and terrorist history. The only one who hasn't said one way or another is Scheer.

Well......there's a silver lining. At the joint press conference of Trump and Trudeau, our PM talked about improving our immigration system. There'll be immense pressure for Trudeau to follow through. "We cannot let the wrong people in. And I will not allow that to happen during this administration. And people want that. That's their attitude too. And we're getting praises for our stance....and it's the common sense stance. We wont' stand for it. We won't put up with it. We won't let it happen." The big onus will be on Canada to ensure no "undesirables" manage to sneak in to the USA from Canada. Am I over-reaching if I imagine it puts a clamp on Trudeau's tweet? Am I over-reacting if I look to Trump to forcefully hammer common sense into our PM's head?

It's the support for eroding a principle that goes back to the Peace of Westphalia that should be at issue and especially the grotesque means by which it's being eroded.

There are several issues in this way of thinking I believe. 1- You don't want to know the facts and discredit everything others tell you. You were provided with several sources and discredited them all. 2- You have already made up your mind to have the argument for the sake of winning no matter what. If so, go ahead but do not expect a response... 3- You do have a point in which case will be happy to hear it.

If that's the case the mods should present us with the MLW approved version of history so we can proceed from there. Otherwise they should follow or stay out of the way.

No one said Mossadegh was a saint, what was said however is that the Anglo-American overthrow of a democratically elected government and installation of a monsterous dictatorship instead was an act of depravity that should be dealt with as a crime against humanity. Puppet dictators make WMD's look like a reasonable alternative.

This is the source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état So it wasn't Mossadegh after all who jailed his opponents, employing street thugs according to CIA classified documents...Hmmmm!

No he wasn't and so was Christianity.

Have you ever considered the possibility that constantly trying to bury or ignore such an important root cause only causes people to constantly keep digging it up and point it out?

Dictatorship (and extremism) problem created.

The point is collusion of communists and Islamist's before revolution remains mooted...The involvement of the US and British is undisputed. There are many sources to validate this as has been already shared. Tudeh party consisted of People's Worker's Party, Iranian jews, Azeries and kurds and some others opposed Shah as did Islamist...

You may not want to accept it....but yes, Trump is dictating the terms upon which the borders will remain easily accessible to Canadians and trade! Why do you think Trudeau brought up, "looking to improve our immigration system?" Why would our immigration system suddenly needs improvement, when all this time Trudeau's been touting our success with immigration? The rest of your argument is irrelevant. It's not an all-Muslim ban....since other Muslim nations have not been banned. Now, back to topic.

Any different than cozying up to Saudi Arabia.

So Iran is bad because everyone else tried to make Iran it's bitch?

Personally, I think that most Canadians should stay away from politics altogether because most of them appear to know nothing at all about politics. Canada would not last five minutes in a war against Russia. After three weeks of the Trump presidency, the Canadian fake media cannot get away from constantly talking and attacking every day against Trump. Thank gawd for Trump otherwise our Canadian would have nothing to talk about. We have many juicy stories that need to be brought up about Canadian political corruption going on but the Canadian media still prefers to talk about Trump. Keep the sheeple busy listening to non eventful stories, and keep them from learning what is really going on. It's the Canadian way.

Trump is a puppet on a string for the Russian elite establishment. I think his name is Putin. Have you got a cite for that? Then how about Trump and his minions stop lying.

I am a nudist. How should I go to an atheist gathering?

The link doesn't work, and even going on the unwatch.org site and searching for the story doesn't work.

There are already a number of issues that could get him impeached. The emoluments clause is one, breaching the INA immigration law of 1965, renewed sexual offences, just to name a few. And let's see, we're all of 3 weeks into his "reign"? Stay tuned.

Agreed...the U.S. Pentagon has a lot riding on the F-35 JSF platform and it will be deployed. The U.S. does not have the luxury of sitting on its cheap ass and waiting 40 years to procure strike aircraft that are designed, developed, and manufactured by other nations. National security requires that domestic capabilities for military platforms remain supported, regardless of cost. Canada deserves exactly what it is willing to pay for.

The founding fathers are long gone by now. State legislatures have redrawn many district boundaries and they are a partisan bunch and effect the numbers of EC reps. per state. Kind of like instead of the voters picking their reps., the reps. pick their voters. That's gerrymandering, plain and simple.

Schadenfreude... The guilt in bosnia is killing ya....

That's correct, and it (the EC) is highly gerrymandered. They ought to dump it.

He actually was elected by a majority of the voters for starters.

Actually i was talking about the Canadian Air force, you know the guys that fly our military aircraft for a living.....the guys that the liberals have disregarded, any and all advise when it comes to purchasing equipment, this will be the second contract liberals have given DND the finger, and purchased what was good for the liberals..... You've come on here to debate and yet you have not shown us any valid proof the F-35 is as bad as you and the liberals claim, today the evidence shows quit clearly that the F-35 is the western best aircraft of choice , with sales to prove that...Nation after Nation have had extensive competitions and most have chosen the F-35 as the clear winner...Why is that ? because the F-18 is the better aircraft right ? and when all else fails you go to the all and famous "Canada does not need a stealth fighter" and yet we have signed and are a part of the same defense agreements that the other F-35 operators are a part of, what do they know that you do not, we all share the same missions.... well to start with it goes again'st the liberals leader election promise, and all liberals will blindly back the school teacher up regardless of whom he comes up again'st .....like DND for instance...WTF do they know, after all liberals and their Military have always had a close relationship....In fact Canadians and their military have always had a close relationship.....except when the military want's funding then it is go F*** yourself.....you want proof of that visit a military base, infra structure over 40 to 50 years old is very common, shit PMQ's that were built just after the war, ya they been upgraded a few times, mostly lipstick....then look at the equipment they run....army, navy and airforce......most of it is over 30 to 40 years old, ya you can find a few pieces that are under 10 years old, but not many......it's a telling sign..... https://www.f35.com/news/detail/agreement-reached-on-lowest-priced-f-35s-in-program-history https://www.f35.com/news/detail/red-flag-gives-f-35a-its-toughest-test-yet https://www.f35.com/news/detail/marine-corps-aviation-officer-believes-study-will-back-f-35-over-super-horn https://theaviationist.com/category/military-aviation/f-35/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2014/02/03/five-reasons-the-latest-pentagon-testing-report-on-the-f-35-fighter-doesnt-matter/#1d83729a5085

So what type of bam would you righties like to call it?

Yeah, how much damage can a person do? It's not like it's an important job.