Fight the Boycott of Israel

[Argus]

Here is an interesting report from ynet, which might expell some of these anti-semitic myths circulating around from the "Israel can do NO wrong" junta:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3413292,00.html

Many of the key players in the escalating British campaign to boycott Israel are Jewish or Israeli, the Jewish Chronicle revealed in an investigation published Thursday.

According to the investigation, the Jewish academics justify their stance as part of the struggle for Palestinian rights and ending Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territories.

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Are they all 'self-haters'?

Yes. In the same way so many liberal Whites in Canada hate themselves, their culture, their history and everything their ancestors accomplished. The Chronicle named something like 3 or 4 ultra-left-wing academics who were Jewish or Israeli. The main drive, however, behind the boycott Israel movement are Jew haters, mostly a mix of Islamists and ultra leftists with a mix of moronic and ignorant bleeding heart liberals thrown in for numbers. It is all ignorant, stupid, childish and hypocritical. Where is the boycott China movement? The boycott North Korea movement? The boycott Syria or Iran movements? These are far more murderous regimes guilty of far worse violations of human rights, yet no one much cares about them.

[Argus]

"Self-hater" is yet another slur invented by the Jewish pro-Israeli right to silence any members of the Jewish community who might disagree with them. Anybody who has followed this business for some time will know that these folks specialize in the sound bite. They have sound bite slurs, sound bite hate claims, sound bite over-simplified historical facts....

Would it surprise you that most of Israel's early support came from the Left? It was only with the invention of a "national" group, the Palestinians that left-wing sentiment swung against Israel.

No, it was only when Israel obviously became an oppressor in violation of international law.

Nobody gives a shit about international law unless it supports their existing argument in some way.

To suggest all thse wild-eyed Jew haters are urging a boycott of Israel because Israel has ignored the deeply slanted demands of the United Nations is ludicrous.

Israeli "oppression" is a response to Arab violence and anyone with more than two brain cells ought to be able to figure that out. Unfortunately, most leftists lack even the one.

[Guest chilipeppers]

Now, keep to the FACTS - not opinions from 'Kay" of the NaziPost.

the what Post? gee your insanity and irrationality is showing got any more insults for posters or do you think the rules are just for breaking, one can also make a post without insulting remarks peppering most of one's posts.

The boycott is immoral as there is no basis for a comparison between Israel and the old South Africa. South Africa was a racist state, with laws denying rights to a majority of its citizens and restricting the vote to a small minority of the population. Israel is a liberal democracy, with a free media, and a free market economy and within it room for many voices, and gee didn't they just take in some Palestinians fleeing from their own leader's violence and anarchy.

Of course, its government sometimes follows policies many of us find disagreeable. That's true of many countries, the U.K. and U.S. included, not to mention Russia, China, Cuba, Sudan, Iran -- the list goes on. Why pick on Israel? Well maybe because somewhere there is just a leetle bit of racism and lots of double standards for which these so called academics should be ashamed. In calling for boycotts against Israel, these 'scholars' are siding with militant Islamic groups who embrace an ideology that has no room for freedom of any kind..

hint: NO TROLLING/FLAMING

Do not post inflammatory remarks just to annoy people. If you are not bringing anything new to the argument, then do not say anything at all.

[scribblet]

Nobody gives a shit about international law unless it supports their existing argument in some way.

To suggest all thse wild-eyed Jew haters are urging a boycott of Israel because Israel has ignored the deeply slanted demands of the United Nations is ludicrous.

Israeli "oppression" is a response to Arab violence and anyone with more than two brain cells ought to be able to figure that out. Unfortunately, most leftists lack even the one.

Well, guess they are just lost in a sea of misunderstanding and leftist dictum

[betsy]

Here is an interesting report from ynet, which might expell some of these anti-semitic myths circulating around from the "Israel can do NO wrong" junta:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3413292,00.html

Many of the key players in the escalating British campaign to boycott Israel are Jewish or Israeli, the Jewish Chronicle revealed in an investigation published Thursday.

According to the investigation, the Jewish academics justify their stance as part of the struggle for Palestinian rights and ending Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territories.

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Are they all 'self-haters'?

Report: Jews behind campaign to boycott Israel

Why do they think the left-wing lunatics in Israel are any different than the left-wing lunatics in our own countries. Left-wing loonies are left-wing lonies! Don't forget, Jews were responsible for 9/11 in the eyes of anti-semitic left-wing loonies! Maybe they were even the ones flying the planes. They were probably just kidding when they were screaming "Allah is not gay!" Or was that, "Mohammed was gay!" Who knows with these tooners.

[jbg]

1. "Why the boycott?"
   
2. "Why are such measures even being considered?"
   
3. "What REASONS, using FACTS, do those who advocate the boycott use?"
   

1. "Why the boycott?" - Because there are people for whom the idea of a pro-Western, modern country ever succeeding is anathema.
   
2. "Why are such measures even being considered? - To the extent there is any reasoning at all, see answer 1 (I am trying to avoid accusing you of hating Jews)
   
3. "What REASONS, using FACTS, do those who advocate the boycott use?" - To the extent there is any reasoning at all, see answer 1 (I am trying to avoid accusing you of hating Jews)
   

[buffycat]

1. "Why the boycott?"
   
2. "Why are such measures even being considered?"
   
3. "What REASONS, using FACTS, do those who advocate the boycott use?"
   

1. "Why the boycott?" - Because there are people for whom the idea of a pro-Western, modern country ever succeeding is anathema.
   
2. "Why are such measures even being considered? - To the extent there is any reasoning at all, see answer 1 (I am trying to avoid accusing you of hating Jews)
   
3. "What REASONS, using FACTS, do those who advocate the boycott use?" - To the extent there is any reasoning at all, see answer 1 (I am trying to avoid accusing you of hating Jews)
   

Nice - insults and name calling and certainly not answering the questions. Well done.

So, the illegal settlements have nothing at all to do with the boycotts? How about the restrictions on movement? How about the destruction of property? Livelihood?

No, of course not - it's all just Jew hating to you. What utter nonsense.

jbg - what DO you think of the Wall? What do you think of the illegal settlements on Palestinian lands? What do you think of some members of the Knesset calling for the forced transfer of all Arabs (christian and muslim) out of Israel proper?

Can you answer without insulting me?

Thought not.

[buffycat]

But I will say it is thankfully quite far away from TO.

Just wanted to know for the next time someone says I'm close to a fruitloop I can honestly say thankfully I'm quite far from it.

Gee, nice little insult there Dancer - do you feel better now?

My only regret here is that I actually responded to you.

Anything to say on topic? Care to address the same questions I have posed to Scriblett? (Or anyone else for that matter?)

hmmm?

Show me where I have insulted you personally. A nice big quote would do just fine. Otherwise, all I see is insults from you. fruitloop? wingnut?

How very mature and intellectual of you!

Now, care to talk about the reasons why these boycotts are being proposed? (Whether or not you agree with them or not - there are reasons and they should be discussed).

Or will you simply hurl some more insults and derail the topic?

Why on earth would I address a fruitloop?

Tell you what, when you stop making ignorant insults I will stop thinking of you as a wingnut.

[M.Dancer]

But I will say it is thankfully quite far away from TO.

Just wanted to know for the next time someone says I'm close to a fruitloop I can honestly say thankfully I'm quite far from it.

Gee, nice little insult there Dancer - do you feel better now?

My only regret here is that I actually responded to you.

Anything to say on topic? Care to address the same questions I have posed to Scriblett? (Or anyone else for that matter?)

hmmm?

Show me where I have insulted you personally. A nice big quote would do just fine. Otherwise, all I see is insults from you. fruitloop? wingnut?

How very mature and intellectual of you!

Now, care to talk about the reasons why these boycotts are being proposed? (Whether or not you agree with them or not - there are reasons and they should be discussed).

Or will you simply hurl some more insults and derail the topic?

Why on earth would I address a fruitloop?

Tell you what, when you stop making ignorant insults I will stop thinking of you as a wingnut.

Took awhile to find what may or may not be directed towards me in this post, seeing it is as coherent as most of Buffy's stuff.....so this may be it......who knows?

Show me where I have insulted you personally. A nice big quote would do just fine. Otherwise, all I see is insults from you. fruitloop? wingnut?

Oh It has to be directed at me for me to take offence?

Now, keep to the FACTS - not opinions from 'Kay" of the NaziPost.

That might sound clever in high school like calling Bush Bushitler and such, but you owe an apology to a few hundred hard working Canadians, sone jewish, some muslim......and some very close friends of mine who don't take kindly to some wingnut fruitloop calling them nazis........

Now run along, I'm sure there some placards that need slogans on them.....

[scribblet]

Why on earth would anyone oppose programmes that help soldiers adapt to civilian life?

I mean I can't see these opponents objecting to these kind of programmes for terrorists......

That's what I don't get either, which is why the boycotts are more than that, apart from being a form of McCarthyism.

This current campaign is not about ending west bank 'occupation' nor is it about alleged Israeli policies towards the Palestinians, more specifically it has nothing do with Israeli universities. So it would appear that the sole aim of these boycotts is simply to paint Israel as an allegedly racist and colonialist state which has no right to exist.

[jbg]

Nice - insults and name calling and certainly not answering the questions. Well done. Can you answer without insulting me? Thought not.

After you insults to me, such as calling me "sweetie" the day after sending me a scathing PM, etc., you're in no position to be calling me out on insults.

So, the illegal settlements have nothing at all to do with the boycotts? How about the restrictions on movement? How about the destruction of property? Livelihood? jbg - what DO you think of the Wall? What do you think of the illegal settlements on Palestinian lands?

If the "leaders" of these people didn't start mixing suicide bombers in with the workers, the restrictions on "freedom of movement" never would have happened. Why don't the mainstream victims of these restrictions protest the mindlessness of the murderers, not those who are trying to live in peace among the terrorists.

What do you think of some members of the Knesset calling for the forced transfer of all Arabs (christian and muslim) out of Israel proper?

Israel is a democracy. Those Knesset members are marginalized.

No, of course not - it's all just Jew hating to you. What utter nonsense.

Convince me otherwise. Maybe an apology for your PM would go a long way.

[buffycat]

jbg, the mail I sent YOU was a response to an uncalled for mail you sent me.

I simply asked you NOT to PM me again. I reiterate that here. Scathing? Far from it - time for you to get over my rejection of your Personal Message to me.

Now, as far as you above answers go:

You have NOT addressed the illegal nature of the settlements - established after the 67 war. You have not mentioned the thousands of villages which have been bulldozed to make way for many of these enclaves. Do you not think that watching one's home and livelihood be destroyed, the loss of everything to be somewhat influential as to how that person might feel? Does it justify suicide bombing? (IMO no - but it does explain why the hatred is there - and it's not anti-semitism it is hatred towards those who have destroyed one's life!).

So: the destruction of villages and theft of lands (plus marginilisation) has resulted in some blowback - what a surprise!

You also refuse to discuss the Wall - which has been deemed illegal by both the Israeli supreme court (who ruled that its course must be moved). This wall winds into Palestinian farms, lands and groves - making sure to keep valuable water resources on the Israeli side - fencing in Palestinians in such a way as to prevent freedom of movement even to their own fields, schools and families. And you wonder why any of these folks might be a tad upset?

You also have not really answered what you think of the various members of the Knesset wanting Arabs out of Israel (you know those pesky Israeli Arabs or non-Jews). You only said that these folks are marginalised? Ever here of Avigdor? He isn't marginalised! (anyways I will assume you agree with the removal of all Arabs from Israel).

I'm sure there is some hatred towards Jews - as there is just as much towards Arabs. Too bad, since all this hate and mistrust will result in a never ending cycle of violence from both sides - the Palestinians with their pathetic little rocket launchers and the IDF with their ultra modern killing machines. I think what has always astounded me, is that the Jews - perscuted for 'milenia' and kicked out of every darn country they've ever been in over time - could turn around and do the SAME to others. Of course - not all Israelis feel the hate towards the indigenous folks in the area, many rally and protest alongside their Arab brothers and sisters - for a more just, caring and truly democratic Israel - one which treats her neighbours with respect, one which includes all - regardless of religious affiliations. There are many of these voices - sadly drowed out often times by the thugs on BOTH sides of the 'fence'. It's too bad that you can't see both sides of this issue. And only lay the blame on the Arabs - sorry but it takes two to tango.

Anyways, I don't expect you to say much wrt the illegality of land confiscation and destruction of Palestinian property - the underlying cause of so much resentment - and sadly so much retalitory violence against otherwise innocent Jews (suicide bombing) or the retalitaions of the IDF against otherwise innocent Palestinians. Keep in mind the ratio is about 5:1 (five dead Palestinians to every dead Israeli) In the last year that ratio has approached ten to one. And you wonder why they are ticked off?

You may want to take a gander at some of these brave groups:

http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

http://www.icahd.org/eng/about.asp?menu=2

http://www.btselem.org/English/

http://gush-shalom.org/

http://www.cactus48.com/

All of these groups are peaceful, all working towards an understanding, all brave and filled with people of with big hearts! Or, are they all just Jew haters too??

(I guess to you they are! Why don't you write Jeff Halper and tell him he is a Jew hater? How about Uri, he must be one too, accoring to you!)

That's it - though let me add one more thing: DO NOT ever PM me again!! (Scathing eh? oooooooo)

[Dougie93]

Leftist BDS movement invites known PFLP terrorist to speak at U of T.

Said individual has already been ordered deported by the Government of Canada for his terrorist activities.

He has not at this point been arrested and is rather hiding in plain sight, terrorist hugging Liberals loathe to actually deport him apparently.

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/university-of-toronto-bds-invites-alleged-terrorist-as-speaker/

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 6/11/2007 at 6:41 PM, Black Dog said:

Hey, it's a free market. The boycotters can boycott and others can boycott the boycott. What's most interesting is that, if you say it enough times in a row, the word boycott loses all meaning. Boycott. Boycott. Boycott. See?

That’s it in a nutshell. Do what you like, guys, but don’t tell others whom they can and cannot boycott. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

Look and see who the Israel haters are!!!!

Edited November 21, 2019 by CITIZEN_2015

[Dougie93]

the Internationalist left takes pride in hating Israel, so it's pointless to decry them for it.

[marcus]

Israel would be nothing without the billions it receives each year and the political support it receives from a few countries.

[Right To Left]

1 hour ago, marcus said:

Israel would be nothing without the billions it receives each year and the political support it receives from a few countries.

Settler colonial states stick together! 

I never could get the logic behind the ruthless campaign to stamp out the BDS movement!  

As the Israeli Government steadily builds more illegal settlements in territories occupied from wars, they kill peaceful protesters....leaving only one option open to Palestinians facing eventual eviction.

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, Right To Left said:

Settler colonial states stick together!

As opposed to what?  Siding with our sworn enemies?  I think not, better to ruthlessly crush them without mercy nor quarter, to include the leftist enemies in our midst.

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

Some info on the original Captain Boycott, a rather unsavoury individual: 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Boycott

Another row over land. 

 

 

Edited November 24, 2019 by SpankyMcFarland

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 11/20/2019 at 10:54 PM, marcus said:

Israel would be nothing without the billions it receives each year and the political support it receives from a few countries.

Oh really? And what about the Arabs with hundreds of billions of dollars of easy oil money every year, and most advanced Russian and French military hardware and population of over half a billion could not defeat or even resist a nation of less than a few million. It is not the military hardware (or money) that counts it is the brain who drives it.

Edited December 7, 2019 by CITIZEN_2015

[marcus]

On 12/6/2019 at 2:55 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Oh really? And what about the Arabs with hundreds of billions of dollars of easy oil money every year, and most advanced Russian and French military hardware and population of over half a billion could not defeat or even resist a nation of less than a few million. It is not the military hardware (or money) that counts it is the brain who drives it.

Israel's actions against the Palestinians cannot be justified because of the incompetent and corrupt governments in other places. Neither the fact that Israel would not be able to do what it's doing to the Palestinians without the monetary and political support of the U.S., Canada and Europe.

You are either ignorant about what is happening or you are confused about the principal you tell others you claim to have. I don't understand how you can sit there and (rightfully) criticize the European governments for not taking a principled stance against the Iranian government but then go and defend the Israeli government and their policies towards the Palestinians. The information is out there. The reports, the videos and the facts are right there for you to see. I do wonder about your double standards.

 

[DogOnPorch]

21 minutes ago, marcus said:

Israel's actions against the Palestinians cannot be justified because of the incompetent and corrupt governments in other places. Neither the fact that Israel would not be able to do what it's doing to the Palestinians without the monetary and political support of the U.S., Canada and Europe.

You are either ignorant about what is happening or you are confused about the principal you tell others you claim to have. I don't understand how you can sit there and (rightfully) criticize the European governments for not taking a principled stance against the Iranian government but then go and defend the Israeli government and their policies towards the Palestinians. The information is out there. The reports, the videos and the facts are right there for you to see. I do wonder about your double standards.

 

 

The Arabs (your pet "Palestinians") started the Arab-Israeli War...not the Israelis. Losers do not dictate terms. Especially losers that started the conflict. Ask Germany if you don't believe me.

[CITIZEN_2015]

7 hours ago, marcus said:

You are either ignorant about what is happening or you are confused about the principal you tell others you claim to have. I don't understand how you can sit there and (rightfully) criticize the European governments for not taking a principled stance against the Iranian government but then go and defend the Israeli government and their policies towards the Palestinians. The information is out there. The reports, the videos and the facts are right there for you to see. I do wonder about your double standards.

 

In my statement I never defended the Israeli government or its actions against Palestinians. In fact as I recall I have posted some very critical comments against the Israeli regime and it military against defenseless civilians in the past as I am sure you recall reading them. What I said was the fact. That in 1945, and again in 1967 Israel went to war against armies (not defenseless civilians) of Egypt (equipped with advanced Russian hardware) and Jordan (British and American hardware) and Syria )Russian hardware) and defeated all three in 6 days and has survived decades now and those who resisted occupations against so many armies were Israelis not Americans. . In a similar scenario the Iraqi Arabs invaded non-Arab Iran. They had the support from all the world including billions from Saudi Arabia and Kuwait and many thousands of most advanced military hardware from Russia and France and intelligence from US. They too were defeated and forced to withdraw from Iranian soil by Iranian soldiers who fought with light weaponry against fully armed with most advanced weapons Iraqi invaders. So your statement that Israel would be nothing without Western support is baseless as I said it were Israelis who fought the war and if you say it was military hardware or money then Arabs had it too. That is oil money and Russian and French support

In other statements before I have reminded you that those people (Israeli haters) who shoot their own defenseless people in the back what do you expect them to do if they ever occupy Israeli towns and cities? You evaded a response because you know what they would do. I am looking at both sides not just one side of the conflict. Both have some rights and both have committed crimes against defenseless people (some against their own people). However, if ever the day comes that Arabs occupy Israeli land then bloodshed would be far far worse than what it is now happening in Arab lands under occupation. They (both sides) must stop the war and hatred and make a peace. It is enough bloodshed already. 

Edited December 11, 2019 by CITIZEN_2015

[CITIZEN_2015]

6 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

The Arabs (your pet "Palestinians") started the Arab-Israeli War...not the Israelis. Losers do not dictate terms. Especially losers that started the conflict. Ask Germany if you don't believe me.

That is not true. Imagine you are at your home and some guests (under police protection being the British imperialistic power at the time) enter your home as guests and then terrorize you and kick you out and take over your home. Will you fight back or watch the occupation? If you fight back against take over will it be starting the fight or would you say those who came and took over your home started the war? Enough with hate already. Lets have a peaceful solution and end atrocities by both sides so that both Israelis and Palestinians have a land to live in peace. 

Edited December 10, 2019 by CITIZEN_2015