Poilievre vs Carney: Critical Issue

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

1. I don't think we have to look too hard to find the answer, do we...?  Politics aside, Poilievre is just one of those people that whether it be his looks, mannerism's, tone of voice, whatever....  is just hard to like. Every approval polling for the last 2 years has shown that.  

2. His 'unCanadian' character is just the past attempt to be the "Trump of Canada' as Trudeau's term was flailing and has forever screwed his political ambition of becoming our PM. Trump has made divisiveness 'cool' to some and Poilievre chose to be the clown that brought that style to his politics.  I think it's fair to say the majority of Canadian's don't like it...

1. He was more popular than the PM for a significant amount of time.  Your opinion on him is subjective, and whether or not he's "likeable" I don't think you can argue that he wasn't successful in helping to change the tone of politics.
2. Well, right now they don't.  But there has been a change and he capitalized on it.  Will Carney be able to ?

Whoever wins (the image war, not the election) will do so because they delivered something of value IMO.

[Goddess]

 

 

[Goddess]

Everywhere Carney goes, Brookfield was either just there or arrives right after him.

Every.

Single.

Time.

Right now he's in France to "deepen ties".

Is he there for Canada?  Or for this new Brookfield deal?

Brookfield Invests €30B in French AI Infrastructure

[LinkSoul60]

23 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. He was more popular than the PM for a significant amount of time.  Your opinion on him is subjective, and whether or not he's "likeable" I don't think you can argue that he wasn't successful in helping to change the tone of politics.
2. Well, right now they don't.  But there has been a change and he capitalized on it.  Will Carney be able to ?

Whoever wins (the image war, not the election) will do so because they delivered something of value IMO.

1. His popularity can be attributed to the unpopularity of Trudeau during his last years, IMO.  When there was a viable alternative (Carney) the opinions of Poilievre reverted to where they are today.... not popular.  And yes of course my opinion of him is subjective, but does align with the majority of opinions of him.

2. Carney has already capitalized from being elected PM an approval ratings that continue to be strong.  Right or wrong I don't see the majority of Canadian's buying into divisive politics now or any time soon.

The image war is handily in Carney's favour.  Keeping it there will be the challenge if economic pressures continue....

 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

1. And yes of course my opinion of him is subjective, but does align with the majority of opinions of him.

2. The image war is handily in Carney's favour.  Keeping it there will be the challenge if economic pressures continue....

 

1. I love his TV shows.  Especially when he led the team on 'Reach for the Top'
2. There would need to be a psychological pause point to lock in impressions... otherwise they're all bums when they go.

[Moonbox]

5 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I don't think we have to look too hard to find the answer, do we...?  Politics aside, Poilievre is just one of those people that whether it be his looks, mannerism's, tone of voice, whatever....  is just hard to like. Every approval polling for the last 2 years has shown that.  

There's no mystery.  Poilievre is a mouthy worm and has a 15+ year history of being one of the least likable and most abrasive members of Parliament.  He was a notorious shrill in Harper's government, and now that he's been out front in public for a few years, the rest of Canada has seen what he's about too.  

The stupidification of the Conservative Party has only accelerated under his leadership, and the traditional Red Tories in the GTA and other urban areas want nothing to do with him.  

He's the ticket to another 4-8 years of Liberal government.  

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I love his TV shows.  Especially when he led the team on 'Reach for the Top'
2. There would need to be a psychological pause point to lock in impressions... otherwise they're all bums when they go.

1.  Not much of a TV watcher, but generally change the channel after a minute or two of him talking.  The only way he'll 'reach the top' is with a ladder.

2. The impressions have already been made, and those are difficult to change when a persons mind has formed an opinion.  How long they last in another question but I'd put money in Kalshi or polymarket that one of them won't be around  representing one party in the next federal election. The life of a politician.... hero (maybe) to zero in a relatively short period time.

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

There's no mystery.  Poilievre is a mouthy worm and has a 15+ year history of being one of the least likable and most abrasive members of Parliament.  He was a notorious shrill in Harper's government, and now that he's been out front in public for a few years, the rest of Canada has seen what he's about too.  

The stupidification of the Conservative Party has only accelerated under his leadership, and the traditional Red Tories in the GTA and other urban areas want nothing to do with him.  

He's the ticket to another 4-8 years of Liberal government.  

Lol... you summed it up far better than I did, but I was trying to somewhat tactful.  Who am I kidding....  100% agree the clown is an unlikeable mouthpiece that wore out his welcome long ago.

Also agree that as long a Poilievre is there the liberals will be the government.  That said, I'm guessing his days will be nearing an end sooner than later.

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Goddess said:

We have given $25 billion to Ukraine, which is now being revealed that most of that money has gone into the pockets of the corrupt leaders of Ukraine.

War starts under Biden, it's a straight-up grift, Lefties: "This is the best war ever. My heart bleeds for these peole!"

War to prevent Iran from having nukes, Lefties: "Iran should sink oil tankers to protect the ayatollah! Go Iran! America is losing!!! Kill more Americans please, mr ayatollah, sir!"

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Meanwhile, our own infrastructure crumbles, our economy is tanking, 25% of Canadians are starving, tent cities increasing in every city, the fentanyl crisis is of the charts (and BTW, WHERE THE HELL IS OUR SUPPOSED FENTANYL CZAR?  ANYONE SEEN OR HEARD FROM HIM?  BUELLER?  BUELLER?) Canadians dying in hospital waiting rooms, and the mass importing of low-skilled Uber drivers and Tim Horton's workers continues.

Canada will continue to deteriorate under these two.

If Poilievre had better socks, and he was more gleeful (or sadder?) when describing LPoC lies, scandals and failures, things would be better. 

[Legato]

39 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

There's no mystery.  Poilievre is a mouthy worm and has a 15+ year history of being one of the least likable and most abrasive members of Parliament.  He was a notorious shrill in Harper's government, and now that he's been out front in public for a few years, the rest of Canada has seen what he's about too.  

The stupidification of the Conservative Party has only accelerated under his leadership, and the traditional Red Tories in the GTA and other urban areas want nothing to do with him.  

He's the ticket to another 4-8 years of Liberal government.  

 

[Moonbox]

31 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Lol... you summed it up far better than I did, but I was trying to somewhat tactful.  Who am I kidding....  100% agree the clown is an unlikeable mouthpiece that wore out his welcome long ago.

Also agree that as long a Poilievre is there the liberals will be the government.  That said, I'm guessing his days will be nearing an end sooner than later.

Who knows?  The clown brigades in the respective Conservative parties in Canada make it unlikely.  The irony of it is that the Conservatives partially blamed Bernier's PPC for splitting the right of centre vote, but by absorbing them and some of their messaging, they made themselves distasteful to the majority of Canada.  Great job!  🫠

[eyeball]

14 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

There’s always tension between what the base wants and what policies will bring a win.

By the same token there's also a palpable tension between electors and electees. It's a tension I don't think gets enough attention. I think that inattentiveness puts all the onus on politicians to make our political/governing systems work.

It's a truly thankless job by the look of things for most.

12 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

But the thing that needs addressing is how the public sphere produced such an unCanadian character as Poilievre.

It seems there's a lot of this elsewhere in the world these days

Too much of the electorate is misinformed, gaslit and unable or unwilling to think straight.

12 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

To me, it was the emergence of the Culture of the Comments, ie. Internet comments... Brash, Unapologetic, Strident... It appeals to those who want to preach back at the preachers. 

It takes down the intelligentsia of the past generation, and expands the public sphere.

The intelligentsia doesn't seem to have expanded with it. Which has apparently resulted in a stunted political system...garbage in garbage out. We give politicians shit to work with so shit is what we should probably expect.

Electors, never mind partisan ones, need to take more responsibility for making our polity work.

12 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Whatever supplants it will need to respond to it and incorporate it.

I increasingly hope the alien Nanny ship racing to our rescue before we cook or blow ourselves to kingdom come arrives before it's too late.

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[Army Guy]

On 6/8/2026 at 9:41 PM, LinkSoul60 said:

We have 11 years of a liberal government because of conservative failures. I can buy people being gullible once or even twice, but not 4 times.  Facts are what they are AG, and Canada doesn't want the conservative clowns you've lined up as party leaders to run the country.  Trudeau held the door wide open during his last 3 years and Poilievre still couldn't win the election. People are smarter than you think....

Yes, apparently we do have the best deal of any country and I'm glad to see Carney isn't satisfied with that...yet, or as far as we know. Layoffs and job losses in those sectors are a direct result of ridiculously high tariffs, which are not an excuse?  You don't comprehend well do you... 

I won't argue that we've been laggards with military spending.  It started with Harper who spent the least of any PM, gradually increased with Trudeau, and fair to say it's a new spending ballgame now.  I don't think you'd find many Canadians at all who believe our military is 'modern', which is being changed.  Why is that a problem for you?

 

Which conservative failures are you talking about, or are you reading out of the liberal propaganda leaflet....I was being nice when i said gullible, the fact they voted in Justin 3 times in a row is not being gullible it is just plain stupid ..or just voting for anyone but conservatives even though Justin was slowly destroying the country......they preferred destroying the country over having a Conservative PM, that sir is retarded....As for Carney, after Justin i'd have voted for my pet hamster....and while he is a million times better than justin....he is nothing more than the promise man...

It is not that Carney is not satisfied, he just does not care....his strategy is what is costing jobs...we were not even at the table for 8 months...SO tariffs are not that bad of a deal according to Carney...

Lack of military spend goes back well before Harper....Today there are lots of plans but very little in the ways of contracts...SO your say most Canadians knew our military was full of obsolete equipment , but did not care, or just shrugged their shoulders and had better things to worry about...Change is in the air....or should i say the promise of change is in the air...at least while trump is in power once he is gone, NATO as a whole will be back to what it once was...these spending levels are unsustainable for long periods..... Is it a problem, YA it's a problem during my 34 years of service our governments have made lots of promises and delivered very little until forced to...when soldiers are being killed because equipment sucks or just to old...it is a huge problem... 

[Army Guy]

On 6/8/2026 at 9:48 PM, LinkSoul60 said:

Which is kind of the whole point when we have 13 little countries looking out for themselves in one big country...  But those big prizes sure help people put bread on the tables don't they.

I guess you'll have to ask Alberta on that one...I know most liberals are asking "we have a province named Alberta" and on another note those 13 little countries were brought to by the liberal government and their divisive policies....The only ones putting bread on the table is Quebec, Ontario...

[Gaétan]

Mark Carney is in the wrong party; he should be in the Conservative Party, but the job wasn’t available and he didn’t have any friends there.

[LinkSoul60]

4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Which conservative failures are you talking about, or are you reading out of the liberal propaganda leaflet....I was being nice when i said gullible, the fact they voted in Justin 3 times in a row is not being gullible it is just plain stupid ..or just voting for anyone but conservatives even though Justin was slowly destroying the country......they preferred destroying the country over having a Conservative PM, that sir is retarded....As for Carney, after Justin i'd have voted for my pet hamster....and while he is a million times better than justin....he is nothing more than the promise man...

It is not that Carney is not satisfied, he just does not care....his strategy is what is costing jobs...we were not even at the table for 8 months...SO tariffs are not that bad of a deal according to Carney...

Lack of military spend goes back well before Harper....Today there are lots of plans but very little in the ways of contracts...SO your say most Canadians knew our military was full of obsolete equipment , but did not care, or just shrugged their shoulders and had better things to worry about...Change is in the air....or should i say the promise of change is in the air...at least while trump is in power once he is gone, NATO as a whole will be back to what it once was...these spending levels are unsustainable for long periods..... Is it a problem, YA it's a problem during my 34 years of service our governments have made lots of promises and delivered very little until forced to...when soldiers are being killed because equipment sucks or just to old...it is a huge problem... 

It's been over a year that Trudeau has been gone.  You need to get over it, and get over liberals winning again.  Find better part leaders and you might have a chance.

What has he done to make you think he doesn't care, and what strategy is it that's cost jobs?  Cite where he said 'SO tariffs are not that bad of a deal'

You're probably right that a lot of Canadians didn't care about our military spending.  Admittedly there were a lot of my years where I didn't either.  So be it, that's the past and again, fair to say it's changed.  We're spending more, recruitment is up, and we're creating jobs. Try having a positive outlook rather than a negative one.... can't do anything about it anyway, and makes the day a little better.

[LinkSoul60]

4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

I guess you'll have to ask Alberta on that one...I know most liberals are asking "we have a province named Alberta" and on another note those 13 little countries were brought to by the liberal government and their divisive policies....The only ones putting bread on the table is Quebec, Ontario...

Yep, have to hand it to Smith for trying to save her àss don't you...  If I was king I'd find the money to give each one of them a one way ride out of the country, after I collect my 25% departures taxes, and be done with it.  Equalization payments are in our constitution and people in BC, SK, MB or the Atlantic provinces work just as hard as those in the provinces you said are putting bread on the table. You're in NB and benefitting from those payments so tough to side with AB separatists right.

[Army Guy]

14 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

It's been over a year that Trudeau has been gone.  You need to get over it, and get over liberals winning again.  Find better part leaders and you might have a chance.

What has he done to make you think he doesn't care, and what strategy is it that's cost jobs?  Cite where he said 'SO tariffs are not that bad of a deal'

You're probably right that a lot of Canadians didn't care about our military spending.  Admittedly there were a lot of my years where I didn't either.  So be it, that's the past and again, fair to say it's changed.  We're spending more, recruitment is up, and we're creating jobs. Try having a positive outlook rather than a negative one.... can't do anything about it anyway, and makes the day a little better.

Sorry, liberal voters will have to contend with living with justins legacy for decades to come, you should get use to it , and i agree 100 % ALL parties need to find better party leaders....but it is like Canada has nothing to offer in that department or no body wants the job...

Couple of reasons, no talks for 8 months according to US sources...there is no sensed of urgency to get a deal good or bad...Liberals on here have said to wait trump out, as he will be gone soon....as for strategy there is none....and the lack of action is costing jobs daily..."we have the best deal on the planet" couple that with the lack of talks and or any action plan and put them together it looks like there is no time lines, no rush to do anything....

Canadian for the most part are not going to see the new NATO spending targets through despite what Carney says...it will get unpopular very quickly...And so far we have nothing more than promises, when equipment starts flowing then i'll be a believer, but it has not happened in the last 40 years...with exception of a few small buys...Recruitment is dismal...and will take years to reach the standard, set years ago.. Not much positive out there...unless your a huge fan of unemployment, housing prices out of control, food prices climbing faster than wage growth.., i could go on for ever...what is positive is liberals still have there heads in the sand, conservatives are working on cracking the code to reelection...Carneys numbers are falling, his cabinet is on shacky ground, 

[Army Guy]

14 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Yep, have to hand it to Smith for trying to save her àss don't you...  If I was king I'd find the money to give each one of them a one way ride out of the country, after I collect my 25% departures taxes, and be done with it.  Equalization payments are in our constitution and people in BC, SK, MB or the Atlantic provinces work just as hard as those in the provinces you said are putting bread on the table. You're in NB and benefitting from those payments so tough to side with AB separatists right.

YA the liberal will never take credit for their misdeeds, Justin spent 10 plus years dividing the country, but sure lets blame Smith....no mention of Quebec or any other divisive group...in there....that's funny.... Here is a fun fact for you 90 % of those nations that separate end in conflict....very few examples of a peaceful split....Maybe you can tell us how this nation will be the exception to those facts....As for payments in the constitutions need to be rewritten....a few Premiers in NB have said they would prefer "not" to have those payments force the province to live within it's means.... I agree with that whole heartily... The whole country should be run that way.....sure i live in NB and we do get a small slice of the pie...it is not earth shattering...don't make it sound like our streets are paved in gold...far from it, unlike Quebec.......And no it is not tough to side with Albertans they have a very valid point the pay most of the bills and get squat for it....

 

[LinkSoul60]

15 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Sorry, liberal voters will have to contend with living with justins legacy for decades to come, you should get use to it , and i agree 100 % ALL parties need to find better party leaders....but it is like Canada has nothing to offer in that department or no body wants the job...

Couple of reasons, no talks for 8 months according to US sources...there is no sensed of urgency to get a deal good or bad...Liberals on here have said to wait trump out, as he will be gone soon....as for strategy there is none....and the lack of action is costing jobs daily..."we have the best deal on the planet" couple that with the lack of talks and or any action plan and put them together it looks like there is no time lines, no rush to do anything....

Canadian for the most part are not going to see the new NATO spending targets through despite what Carney says...it will get unpopular very quickly...And so far we have nothing more than promises, when equipment starts flowing then i'll be a believer, but it has not happened in the last 40 years...with exception of a few small buys...Recruitment is dismal...and will take years to reach the standard, set years ago.. Not much positive out there...unless your a huge fan of unemployment, housing prices out of control, food prices climbing faster than wage growth.., i could go on for ever...what is positive is liberals still have there heads in the sand, conservatives are working on cracking the code to reelection...Carneys numbers are falling, his cabinet is on shacky ground, 

I'd have to think that liberals and most everyone else has moved on, except of course those who have nothing else to do by cry and complain about the past.  You're a conservative supporter so you can be excused as it's the party's platform.

I'm not going to again try to explain negotiating or the talks behind the news scene that has been ongoing and confirmed.  You're of the opinion we should bend a knee and accept a bad deal like Poilievre would likely would have if Carney hadn't come along.  But one of the reasons Carney was elected and the other guy will be yesterday's news before long.

If all else fails default to your usual woe is me and us outlook.  You're not a believer....you're a moaner and complainer.  Military recruitment is at a 30 year high and you're saying it's dismal. So what if it takes a while to get to where we need to be. We've neglected spending for decades but it's starting to happen now yet you're still crying about it.  Last I saw housing prices have been coming down which lends itself to better affordability.  And yes, our unemployment has a direct correlation with US trade uncertainty and tariffs..... your point here is, what?  Any idea why food prices are escalating right now.... or is it because of the liberals?   I'm sure you could moan and complain forever, but it's a waste of time and energy, for most...  

[LinkSoul60]

31 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

YA the liberal will never take credit for their misdeeds, Justin spent 10 plus years dividing the country, but sure lets blame Smith....no mention of Quebec or any other divisive group...in there....that's funny.... Here is a fun fact for you 90 % of those nations that separate end in conflict....very few examples of a peaceful split....Maybe you can tell us how this nation will be the exception to those facts....As for payments in the constitutions need to be rewritten....a few Premiers in NB have said they would prefer "not" to have those payments force the province to live within it's means.... I agree with that whole heartily... The whole country should be run that way.....sure i live in NB and we do get a small slice of the pie...it is not earth shattering...don't make it sound like our streets are paved in gold...far from it, unlike Quebec.......And no it is not tough to side with Albertans they have a very valid point the pay most of the bills and get squat for it....

 

You fit perfectly into Poilievre's and Smith's cross section of the further right crowd of fools.  You're sitting in a 'have not' province that relies on those equalization payments yet you're complaining about them because the only thing you know or can think of is a pipeline.  If you think that ~27% of the people who live in Alberta that want to separate represent the masses, you need to study math calc's a bit more.  You and they can keep doing what you do and give the masses good reasons to keep the liberals in power for another decade...