August1991 Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 Ignatieff was respectful of Canada. Trudeau Jnr understood Canada in his own weird way. ==== I am terrified if this guy Carney gets enough seats for a majority. 1 1 Quote
August1991 Posted April 10 Author Report Posted April 10 In Canada, our best protection against tyranny is our provincial governments. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 I don't think it's a question of if anymore. Monday he'll have his majority and there may yet be one or two more floor crossers to stiffen it up Which means he'll act like a tyrant and not give a crap about Canada for 3 years and then try and come up with something to win the favor of Canadians back after 4 years just before the next election which he will call early despite the laws saying otherwise if he gets even a hint that he's ahead in the polls 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
August1991 Posted April 10 Author Report Posted April 10 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: I don't think it's a question of if anymore. Monday he'll have his majority and there may yet be one or two more floor crossers to stiffen it up Which means he'll act like a tyrant and not give a crap about Canada for 3 years and then try and come up with something to win the favor of Canadians back after 4 years just before the next election which he will call early despite the laws saying otherwise if he gets even a hint that he's ahead in trudeau he polls Years ago, the federal Liberals had King - a deal maker. King got power and made Canadians get along, like Trudeau Snr. Pierre Trudeau retired and died in Montreal. ===== Carney is another different type of politician. Quote
CdnFox Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 4 minutes ago, August1991 said: Years ago, the federal Liberals had King - a deal maker. King got power and made Canadians get along, like Trudeau Snr. Pierre Trudeau retired and died in Montreal. ===== Carney is another different type of politician. You mean Mackenzie King? Get along? FFS He's the guy that started the Japanese internment camps Having said that I think Carney's going to do more harm than even that 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
August1991 Posted April 10 Author Report Posted April 10 10 minutes ago, CdnFox said: You mean Mackenzie King? ... Yes. Pierre Trudeau bought a neat place in Montreal. He lived and died in Montreal. Brian Mulroney died in Florida. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 19 minutes ago, August1991 said: Yes. See my post about the internment camps 19 minutes ago, August1991 said: Pierre Trudeau bought a neat place in Montreal. He lived and died in Montreal. Dying was the best thing he did for Canada 19 minutes ago, August1991 said: Brian Mulroney died in Florida. A hell of a lot of Canadians retire there, not surprised 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
August1991 Posted April 10 Author Report Posted April 10 35 minutes ago, CdnFox said: See my post about the internment camps ...... If Carney and the federal Liberals get a majority, I suspect that that there will be a PQ government in Quebec. God knows what provincial Albertans will do. Quote
Barquentine Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 10 hours ago, CdnFox said: he will call early despite the laws saying otherwise What laws? 2 Quote
Nationalist Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 (edited) 8 hours ago, August1991 said: If Carney and the federal Liberals get a majority, I suspect that that there will be a PQ government in Quebec. God knows what provincial Albertans will do. They'll separate themselves from Canastan...deport all those "refugees"...and experience an economic boom. "Elbows Up". Edited April 10 by Nationalist 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
CDN1 Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 (edited) Liberals dgaf about democracy. They've imported 10% of the electorate since taking power. They appeal to sectarian interests that promote open ethnic bloc voting because they view it as a road to permanent control & power. That's why their attacks on Trump always run hollow. Same in the US, Democrats haven't run a real primary since 2008. Every nominee was selected by the establishment power brokers making backroom deals. As goes Europe, most notably in the UK, France, and Germany where the establishment has moved to ban, shut out growing conservative movements. Edited April 10 by CDN1 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 12 hours ago, August1991 said: If Carney and the federal Liberals get a majority, I suspect that that there will be a PQ government in Quebec. God knows what provincial Albertans will do. It's inevitable at this point. He will have his majority We'll have to see what the provinces do. But I'll make note of your prediction, I don't know Quebec politics well enough to dispute or agree with you strongly 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
August1991 Posted April 12 Author Report Posted April 12 On 4/10/2026 at 1:30 PM, CdnFox said: It's inevitable at this point. He will have his majority We'll have to see what the provinces do. But I'll make note of your prediction, I don't know Quebec politics well enough to dispute or agree with you strongly If Carney gets his majority, we will have an opposition in Quebec. 1 Quote
August1991 Posted April 12 Author Report Posted April 12 Trudeau Snr bought/delayed his majority when Jack Horner crossed the floor in 1978. ==== In 2026, we are in the same world -but faster. Quote
eyeball Posted April 12 Report Posted April 12 On 4/9/2026 at 8:00 PM, August1991 said: I am terrified if this guy Carney gets enough seats for a majority. Seriously? He's not like some rulers who have their hands on a nuclear football along with a strange grip on the minds of the sycophantic yes people surrounding them. All Carney has is the CBC...have they been telling you something in French that they're not telling the rest of us? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Venandi Posted April 12 Report Posted April 12 (edited) On 4/10/2026 at 2:30 PM, CdnFox said: t's inevitable at this point. He will have his majority I think so too. Just me maybe, but I don't get too torqued about individuals crossing the floor for their own reasons.... I don't like it, I think they broke faith with their constituents and the people who worked hard getting them elected but that's on them and they'll be judged accordingly. But... changing an election outcome by turning a minority into a majority (or vice versa for that matter) and then executing a platform which only garnered minority support in the last election seems patently undemocratic to me. I'm surprised (dismayed actually) to think that any Canadian (of any political stripe) wouldn't find that to be as offensive as I do. Backroom deals may be part of the political topography but they should never be allowed to subvert an election result. I'd say the same thing if it was any other party doing it, even if I believed that my party of choice would be wiped out in snap election called to seek a new mandate because of it. The fact that it breaks down along partisan lines is worrying as well and doesn't bode well for the future IMO and the potential Quebec / Alberta effects come instantly to mind. If election results can be subverted by backroom deals and personal gain (and that is seen to be the case), people may actually come to fear election results because of it. And, when people have (or feel they have) legitimate fears about the result, that's when political violence can really become a concern. Perversely, if/when that happens, it only serves to strengthen the division that caused it in the first place and lead to more of the same. Somehow we seem to think we're smart enough to avoid all that and it's reflected in many of the comments here. Especially the ones that start with YUK YUK YUK, HA HA HA, LOL LOL LOL. It's the sort of chant I would expect to hear from a blind ogre as it stumbles toward a steep cliff. Edited April 12 by Venandi 1 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted April 12 Report Posted April 12 13 hours ago, August1991 said: If Carney gets his majority, we will have an opposition in Quebec. He basically has his majority and I don't think we're going to see a lot of opposition from Quebec. But it will be interesting to see if he wins the Quebec riding on Monday 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Moonlight Graham Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 It shouldn't matter your political leanings, this is a sad day for democracy in Canada. This majority is not the will of the people, it was stolen. 1 Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
West Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 Carney is no different than Vladamir Putin. Not long until they start locking up dissidents Quote
August1991 Posted April 14 Author Report Posted April 14 On 4/12/2026 at 3:11 AM, eyeball said: Seriously? He's not like some rulers who have their hands on a nuclear football along with a strange grip on the minds of the sycophantic yes people surrounding them. All Carney has is the CBC...have they been telling you something in French that they're not telling the rest of us? PM Carney with a majority is not like President Trump. In Canada, our only protection is provincial governments. Quote
August1991 Posted April 14 Author Report Posted April 14 37 minutes ago, West said: Carney is no different than Vladamir Putin. Not long until they start locking up dissidents Strongly disagree. ==== Yeltsin's Russian Federal Constitution had 89 independent states - each with a governor decided locally. Putin changed the Constitution so the President decided the local leader. Quote
West Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 6 minutes ago, August1991 said: PM Carney with a majority is not like President Trump. In Canada, our only protection is provincial governments. President Trump didn't do a bait and switch on his voters like Carney did though. People donated to Conservatives, vote in a Conservative and still end up with a Liberal. Our elections are rigged just like Russia Quote
August1991 Posted April 14 Author Report Posted April 14 16 minutes ago, West said: President Trump didn't do a bait and switch on his voters like Carney did though. People donated to Conservatives, vote in a Conservative and still end up with a Liberal. Our elections are rigged just like Russia In the US, few sitting house members switch sides because the President has nothing to offer. (LBJ excepted.) I once voted BQ but got NPD. It happens. In Canada, our elections are not rigged. In the US, the elections are rigged. Why? How? Americans vote the way we Canadians submit census forms. Quote
eyeball Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 53 minutes ago, August1991 said: In Canada, our only protection is provincial governments. I don't see why, BC was utterly useless at preventing Ottawa from mismanaging fisheries, much of it into oblivion. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
August1991 Posted April 14 Author Report Posted April 14 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: I don't see why, BC was utterly useless at preventing Ottawa from mismanaging fisheries, much of it into oblivion. The same happened in Newfoundland. ==== I know that you westerners hate Trudeau Snr but IMHO, he wanted to protect the individual - and the province. He was a federalist. René Lévesque was a democrat. Quote
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