The NDP leadership vote is a fraud

[Gaétan]

The NDP leadership vote is a fraud. I tried to vote online and it was impossible. I tried to vote by phone, and they told me I wasn’t registered. I received an envelope in the mail that was already sealed and contained no ballot. If I cannot vote, I will not support the elected leader, and the candidates who lost should not accept the result of the vote. I wanted to support Tanille.

[ironstone]

I don't like the NDP because they're crackpots but the one positive thing I can say is that they drain a bit of support from Liberals.

Pro-union(bosses), pro-terrorist, anti oil and gas, anti common sense, anti-Israel. Everything a radical could love.

Jagmeet Singh was pathetic. Will their new leader be more, or less pathetic than him? We shall see.

[herbie]

3 minutes ago, ironstone said:

I don't like the NDP because they're crackpots

Not that you can specifically say WTF you don't like, but you're one of many. I know people who don't like them because their parents escaped from Communism, whatever that has to do with anything.

But they better figure out a leader fast, before the rest of them cross the floor too. Most Dippers now feel keeping the Tories OUT is far more important than keeping NDP in.

[Reg Volk]

Yes, the pro-spendaholic Jew-hating current version of the NDP has Tommy Douglas rolling in his grave.  The dumbest people in Canada other than the Elbows Up losers and the Green psychopaths.  Their only real function is to split the vote with the evil Liberals.

So who is the new leader of this rudderless loser NDP ship?  McPherson?  Does it really matter?  The base of this stupid party let Jagmeet kill it.  What total fools.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Reg Volk said:

the pro-spendaholic Jew-hating current version of the NDP...

The Jew-hating NDP? Led two times by Jews in the past and presently on the cusp of choosing a third for the future.

Your irrational fuming is completely out of touch with reality.

 

[ironstone]

12 hours ago, herbie said:

Not that you can specifically say WTF you don't like, but you're one of many. I know people who don't like them because their parents escaped from Communism, whatever that has to do with anything.

But they better figure out a leader fast, before the rest of them cross the floor too. Most Dippers now feel keeping the Tories OUT is far more important than keeping NDP in.

There was a time in my younger days when I was intrigued by the NDP, then Bob Rae won big in Ontario. The next morning at work, one of my co-workers went on a rant about how bad things are going to get. I had a 'wait and see' attitude.

He was so right, they were a disaster, and from that time I've had a strong dislike for that party. They are terrible on fiscal policy, they are anti-Semitic, pro-terrorist, anti- oil and gas.

 

[Goddess]

12 hours ago, ironstone said:

the one positive thing I can say is that they drain a bit of support from Liberals.

I think even that hope is gone.

Realistically, there's only 6 of them.  It would make sense for them all to cross over to the Liberals and claim "We can change things from the inside."

It's their only hope to stay alive.  As individuals, of course, not as a party.  I think they will be at the point of "I need to save my own a$$ now so I don't lose my place at the taxpayer money trough."

[Goddess]

I mean, really - they propped up the Liberals for years, they voted for every Liberal policy.

They are basically Liberals already.

I don't see any difference in policy between the NDP and the Libs.

[ironstone]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

I mean, really - they propped up the Liberals for years, they voted for every Liberal policy.

They are basically Liberals already.

I don't see any difference in policy between the NDP and the Libs.

I do share your view that federally, it's only going to be Liberals over and over again. Carney is Teflon on steroids and over a decade of failed policies just don't matter to most Canadians.

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, ironstone said:

over a decade of failed policies just don't matter to most Canadians.

I asked this question on another thread.  If there was anything the Liberals could do that would make the die-hard cheerleaders stop supporting them.

I don't think most Canadians know how bad the economy is and how much power they just handed over.

Carney could finally say, Yes, Canada is in dire financial straights.  So we are increasing income taxes 20%.  We are eliminating OAP.    Home equity will now be taxed yearly.  We are still increasing carbon taxes yearly to save the planet.  We are still keeping our yearly raises and our unlimited expense accounts.  We're going to bring in 20 million from India to jack up our GDP.

There's nothing they can't do now.  And there's nothing Canadians can do about any of it.

[Moonbox]

11 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I asked this question on another thread.  If there was anything the Liberals could do that would make the die-hard cheerleaders stop supporting them.

Just as a thought-exercise:

Is there anything the Liberals could do that would make you support them, or anything the Conservative could do that would make you not support them?

[Goddess]

5 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Just as a thought-exercise:

Is there anything the Liberals could do that would make you support them, or anything the Conservative could do that would make you not support them?

I asked first.

[ironstone]

14 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Just as a thought-exercise:

Is there anything the Liberals could do that would make you support them, or anything the Conservative could do that would make you not support them?

Perhaps a better question would be-what has this Liberal government done since 2015 that would make you want to keep voting for them again and again? (If you're in the public service or a 'consultant' I can see why)

What have they gotten right, if anything, and does that demonstrably outweigh the negatives?

And this is not a 'new government', it's the same bunch by and large. Carney has been all in with the Liberals since 2020.

[Goddess]

12 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I asked first.

Personally I think things are going to get very, very bad in Canada.  And even then, most of you will still vote Liberal. You have to save face.

I don't know how bad it has to get to wake you guys up.  25% living in food insecurity and going up.  Homeless encampments springing up across Canada and going up.  Free drugs for everyone.  Spending has increased, handouts to other countries have increased while our own infrastructure crumbles.  Healthcare - over 20,000 Canadians dying on wait lists every year.  Educational system crumbling - teachers have said it's too much immigration, too many in the classes don't speak English and have behavioural problems, they can't focus on teaching.  It didn't take a genius to know that Bill C-75 was going to increase crime, especially violent crime, rapes and pedophiles.  Energy superpower?  On what?  Solar panels and wind turbines that don't perform in cloud and freezing temperatures?  Our energy grid is going to become increasingly unreliable, like it did in Germany and the UK.  There will be no oil & gas or LNG development.  That was a total lie.  We all know it now.  Industry has been strangled under the Liberals and it will continue to be.  Our forestry industry is nearly gone.

None of this is Trump's fault.

Reports from the UK, both from left & right sources are highly critical of his time as Banker.  He spent way too much, printed too much money and they're still trying to dig themselves out of the mess he left, bankrupted them with green policies that only enriched himself.

No, it's going to get very, very, very bad in Canada.

And then Carney & all the friends he appointed while in power will move back to the US or London or wherever they want, loaded down with piles of cash.  Including our pension funds.

I don't believe he has any intentions of living in Canada.  He's only here to get rich off his Net Zero dream.  Canada is the last place for him to do that because it's failed everywhere else.

All these MOU's and supposed trade deals?  They mostly benefit Brookfield, if you really look into them.  They're just pieces of paper for Canadians.

so I guess to answer your question - I voted against all this.  My ethics and morality still stand.  If the Conservatives were doing all these things, they would lose my support completely.

That's the difference between us.  

How bad does it have to get before YOU wise up?

[Goddess]

I feel like there was a reason why Carney's focus for the last year was censorship bills.

I think he has plans that Canadians don't know about yet.  The censorship bills make it easy to silence and punish Canadians for criticizing anything he does from now on.

Every country he's been to, has been right before or right after Brookfield execs have been there.  And every country has scored a big deal for Brookfield, and not much more than just a promissory note for Canada.  "Sure, we'll buy from you, if you can ever get your sh!t together."

[ironstone]

I have been checking out the Moose on the Loose chart the last few day. Quite an eye opener as just about everything on there is related to Brookfield as well as the people that Carney keeps bringing on board.

It is a huge chart, but very interesting if one doesn't mind zooming in and out to read the details.

https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVIgUjvog=/

Net-zero is going to act like an anchor on our economy.

[Moonbox]

55 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Perhaps a better question would be-what has this Liberal government done since 2015 that would make you want to keep voting for them again and again? (If you're in the public service or a 'consultant' I can see why)

What have they gotten right, if anything, and does that demonstrably outweigh the negatives?

And this is not a 'new government', it's the same bunch by and large. Carney has been all in with the Liberals since 2020.

It is a lot of the same bunch.  It would have been nice to hold them accountable for enabling Trudeau's disastrous leadership.  

Unfortunately, holding them accountable required putting Pierre Poilievre in power, and he managed to make himself look like a worse option.  That's an impressive achievement. 

Carney has been plenty different from Trudeau to shift opinion his way.  Whether or not you choose to accept these differences is your choice, but not terribly relevant.  

[Goddess]

I remember when Andrew Sheer was subbing for Pierre in the HoC and CBC told you all to be afraid of him because he had dual citizenship with the US, and the Lib cheerleaders here were all pooping their pants.

Then Carney appointed Tim Hodgson.  Who has dual citizenship with the US.

And not a peep.

It's so obvious that you guys all poop your pants every time CBC tells you to.  🤣

 

[ironstone]

2 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Unfortunately, holding them accountable required putting Pierre Poilievre in power, and he managed to make himself look like a worse option.  That's an impressive achievement. 

What makes Poilievre the worse option, specifically, which policy proposals?

[Goddess]

5 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

he managed to make himself look like a worse option.

Did he manage that all on his own?  Or did you poop your pants because the CBC told you to?

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

I don't see any difference in policy between the NDP and the Libs.

The difference is pretty obvious in BC.

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

There was a time in my younger days when I was intrigued by the NDP, then Bob Rae won big in Ontario. The next morning at work, one of my co-workers went on a rant about how bad things are going to get. I had a 'wait and see' attitude.

He was so right, they were a disaster, and from that time I've had a strong dislike for that party. They are terrible on fiscal policy, they are anti-Semitic, pro-terrorist, anti- oil and gas.

 

The Jew-hating NDP? Led two times by Jews in the past and presently on the cusp of choosing a third for the future.

Your irrational fuming is completely out of touch with reality too.

[Moonbox]

6 minutes ago, ironstone said:

What makes Poilievre the worse option, specifically, which policy proposals?

If Pierre's policy proposals were what he wanted to be evaluated on, he'd have released a costed platform earlier than April 20th last year, after millions of early ballots had already been cast and only a week before the election.

He'd already effectively lost the election by then.  Besides, didn't Carney steal the Conservative platform?  🤨

 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

What have they gotten right, if anything, and does that demonstrably outweigh the negatives?

They didn't kill any where near as many people during the pandemic as other governments did around the world, especially the US, whose policies more right leaning Canadians clearly wished to emulate.

Edited March 11 by eyeball

[ironstone]

4 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

If Pierre's policy proposals were what he wanted to be evaluated on, he'd have released a costed platform earlier than April 20th last year, after millions of early ballots had already been cast and only a week before the election.

He'd already effectively lost the election by then.  Besides, didn't Carney steal the Conservative platform?  🤨

 

That answer is beyond vague. 

Stealing the Conservative platform? Perhaps the most noteworthy was Carney suspending(NOT axing) the consumer carbon tax. It will likely come back once Carney gets his majority.

I don't buy the argument that Poilievre lost because he didn't release a costed platform soon enough. Let's be clear, most Canadians, definitely all Liberal supporters, couldn't give a rats ass about whether policy proposals are costed or not. They repeatedly supported the party that never once had a balanced budget , let alone a surplus. By most available statistics, Canada and Canadians are no better off, or worse off, than they were during the Harper era. Food poverty, more food banks than ever, more people having to depend on said food banks, higher crime, anti-Semitism at record levels. The Liberals completely messed up immigration too. We are going to be the first, post-national state.

This election was decided on one issue, Donald Trump.

In the link below is the CPC platform in it's entirety. I would never suggest it's perfect, but what is in there that you find so objectionable?

https://cpcassets.conservative.ca/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/27094930/45977d2d3ad26ec.pdf

[Moonbox]

1 minute ago, ironstone said:

That answer is beyond vague. 

That's because I didn't bother answering.  

It was a pointless question, and I explained why.