The NDP leadership vote is a fraud

[Goddess]

32 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The difference is pretty obvious in BC.

Ya, seems they're worse.

 

28 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

If Pierre's policy proposals were what he wanted to be evaluated on, he'd have released a costed platform earlier than April 20th last year,

Carney only released his 3 days before, on April 19th.  Poilievre was April 22, not the 20th.

So I'm not sure it made much difference.  As you pointed out, Liberals voters chose mainly without seeing a cost platform from either side, so......

I'm also not sure how many Canadians look at those, though.  If anyone WAS interested in their platform and how it would be costed, you would have had to search that out.  CBC has had a ban on Conservatives being on camera.

I was interested in both, so I just watched what they both had to present.

Carney was "Trump!  Trump!  Trump!"

Poilievre had an actual plan for the issues that Canadians cared about - housing, jobs, the economy, defense, the drug crisis, reducing gov't spending.

I also wanted to hold the Liberals accountable for the mess they've made the last 10 years.  As you said, you did not.

I couldn't vote NDP, which I've done in the past.  They stupidly propped up the Liberals for too long and Canadians suffered as a result.  I found it arrogant that Singh said he was only doing it for as long as there was a suspected Conservative majority, because he had decided for Canadians that we should not ever have a Conservative gov't.

I was very offended by that statement.

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[ironstone]

13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

They didn't kill any where near as many people during the pandemic as other governments did around the world, especially the US, whose policies more right leaning Canadians clearly wished to emulate.

There were a number of countries that had lower per capita covid death rates than Canada.

What else can you point to from the Liberal record since 2015, excluding covid?

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

I voted against all this.  My ethics and morality still stand.  If the Conservatives were doing all these things, they would lose my support completely.

That's the difference between us.

I certainly didn't vote for any of this. If the Conservatives would get serious about accountability and transparency I'd campaign door to door for them myself.

The fact they haven't, can't or won't tells me their hearts really aren't into it. Poilievre's blathering one day about lobbyists and meeting with them repeatedly without skipping a beat really underscores that.

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

How bad does it have to get before YOU wise up?

That's a question you should be asking yourself. I mean, if PPs lobbying hooey wasn't enough I doubt even a shovel upside the head would get thru to you.

4 minutes ago, ironstone said:

There were a number of countries that had lower per capita covid death rates than Canada.

What else can you point to from the Liberal record since 2015, excluding covid?

Not much...they stopped busting people for pot I guess.

[ironstone]

15 hours ago, herbie said:

Not that you can specifically say WTF you don't like, but you're one of many. I know people who don't like them because their parents escaped from Communism, whatever that has to do with anything.

But they better figure out a leader fast, before the rest of them cross the floor too. Most Dippers now feel keeping the Tories OUT is far more important than keeping NDP in.

From the Bob Rae era, employment equity, overall fiscal incompetence. If you remember, they even pissed off the unions when they implemented austerity measures.

As for the federal NDP, not that different from the Liberals. Pro mass immigration from the third world, no fiscal guard rails, I don't agree with the entire trans agenda, or their foreign policy stance, particularly when it comes to the Middle East. I don't like more government control. Their policies would drive out the investment class out of Canada.

[Moonbox]

4 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Carney only released his 3 days before, on April 19th.

So I'm not sure it made much difference.  As you pointed out, Liberals voters chose mainly without seeing a cost platform from either side, so......

I'm also not sure how many Canadians look at those, though.  If anyone WAS interested in their platform and how it would be costed, you would have had to search that out.  CBC has had a ban on Conservatives being on camera.

That's kind of the point.  The election wasn't really about platforms or policy, was it? 

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Ya, seems they're worse.

Yup, at least the Liberals finally gave up pretending and joined Rustad's clown show.

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

I certainly didn't vote for any of this.

Sure you did, dummy.  🤣

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

If the Conservatives would get serious about accountability and transparency I'd campaign door to door for them myself.

Baloney.

They were vocal about bringing in their (already written up) Accountability Act and you still voted against them.  I saw multiple interviews on it.

You do understand that they can't "do" anything about much of anything if they're not in power, right?

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

f PPs lobbying hooey wasn't enough I doubt even a shovel upside the head would get thru to you.

Again, do you understand that he can't "do" anything unless he's in power?

You seem to expect Conservatives to solve problems when they're NOT in power, but don't expect the Liberals to solve anything when they ARE in power.

 

[ironstone]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I certainly didn't vote for any of this. If the Conservatives would get serious about accountability and transparency I'd campaign door to door for them myself.

In what way are the Carney Liberals better on transparency and accountability?

 

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

That's kind of the point.  The election wasn't really about platforms or policy, was it? 

Not for Liberal cheerleaders, that's for sure.

For Conservative voters, it was. 

That's why we informed ourselves. ☺️

[Goddess]

5 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

The election wasn't really about platforms or policy, was it? 

It was a pretty fast election.

It had to be.  Couldn't give the Canadian public time to actually find out what Carney was all about.

I read his Values book during that time and also checked out the mood in England on his performance there.  I actually only did that because he lied about single-handedly saving Canada during the 2008 crash.  I knew that wasn't true when he said it.

I listened to what he said at his rallies and in interviews.  There wasn't much beyond "Trump!  Trump!  Everybody poop your pants!"

When he said there was definitely NOT a drug crisis in Canada, he pretty much lost me.  It told me, this guy hasn't been in Canada so long, he doesn't know what the hell is going on here.

[Moonbox]

7 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Not for Liberal cheerleaders, that's for sure.

For Conservative voters, it was. 

That's why we informed ourselves. ☺️

Mhmm...right.  

That's why the three word slogans resonated so well with Conservatives...right!?  AXE THE TAX!  BUILD THE HOMES!  STOP THE CRIME!

That's a pretty comfy self-deception though.  Liberals DUM.  Conservatives SMURT!

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

AXE THE TAX!  BUILD THE HOMES!  STOP THE CRIME!

It sounded better to me than ELBOWS UP!

I dance flamenco, so the chicken dance you all were doing seemed very......errrrr.....juvenile to me.

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[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Sure you did, dummy.

I didn't see anything you wrote on any campaign message. Get a grip.

7 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Baloney.

They were vocal about bringing in their (already written up) Accountability Act and you still voted against them.  I saw multiple interviews on it.

You do understand that they can't "do" anything about much of anything if they're not in power, right?

They obviously have to go the Constitutional route, that was obvious years ago and they should be talking about it all the time....if they're serious that is.

9 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Again, do you understand that he can't "do" anything unless he's in power?

You seem to expect Conservatives to solve problems when they're NOT in power, but don't expect the Liberals to solve anything when they ARE in power.

I expect both to behave in a way that results in the widespread wreckage that's similar to what was left in the wake of their approaches to fisheries management.

I'm like you in a lot of ways, like you I think things will get very very bad for our country.

18 minutes ago, ironstone said:

In what way are the Carney Liberals better on transparency and accountability?

None that I can see.

[Goddess]

You don't think this:

Looks prettier and classier than this:

[Goddess]

10 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

That's a pretty comfy self-deception though.  Liberals DUM.  Conservatives SMURT!

There were other little things I noticed during the campaign, as well.

I didn't like that Carney most often leaves his wife behind in his dust when he's walking.  I think that's disrespectful.  And although I know not all couples are affectionate in public, I didn't see him express any affection for her until after the election and he thanked her.

On the other hand, I saw Poilievre treat his wife tenderly and with affection.  He frequently gave her a piggy-back out to the bus after rallies because he knew her feet hurt and he also stayed long after each rally and met every single person who wanted to meet him.  When he lost the election, she cried and he gathered her into his arms and held her tight for a long time, kissing the top of her head and whispering to her.

I know it's a little thing, but I notice those kinds of things.

[LinkSoul60]

11 minutes ago, Goddess said:

It was a pretty fast election.

It had to be.  Couldn't give the Canadian public time to actually find out what Carney was all about.

The other side of the coin is that the Canadian public had lots of time to learn what Poilievre was/is all about.  There is a reason why he lost a ~27% poll lead to a first time politician and his 21 year long Carleton seat... don't ya think.

19 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I listened to what he said at his rallies and in interviews.  There wasn't much beyond "Trump!  Trump!  Everybody poop your pants!"

And there are give or take ~50,000 manufacturing jobs lost because of Trump's excessive tariffs so understandable if those people 'poop their pants'... don't ya think.

[Goddess]

34 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

There is a reason why he lost a ~27% poll lead to a first time politician and his 21 year long Carleton seat... don't ya think.

Yup.  That reason is the CBC and Carney told you all to poop your pants over Trump and ignore issues at home.

I saw it.

 

Carney:  Trump wants our land!

** crowd roars in anger **

Carney:  Trump wants our water!

** crowd roars louder, shaking fists **

Carney:  Trump want to......(ominous voice).......OWN US!

**crowd goes ballistic **

 

I thought, WOW. People are actually buying this.  It was over-the-top fear mongering to me.

I guess the English "Keep calm and carry on" didn't stick with him during his years there. 😬

I mean seriously, that was the English philosophy over getting bombed, and here we were pooping our pants over some tariffs, while ignoring the real issues at home.

34 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

And there are give or take ~50,000 manufacturing jobs lost because of Trump's excessive tariffs so understandable if those people 'poop their pants'... don't ya think.

Had we not already been through a decade of Liberal anti-industry and giving all our money away to gender sensitive bean farmers in the Congo, tariffs would not have hit us so hard.  The Liberals didn't prepare.  They were more focused on photo-ops and making announcements about stuff they never intended to do.

So now, we have all the same problems - housing, the economy, anti-industry, jobs, healthcare, mass immigration that we can't afford......and nobody working on them.......AND tariffs.  

AND......Every time Carney bad-mouthed Trump and ELBOWS UP against the Americans, I thought, "Yeesh, does he not know we have to negotiate CUSMA again soon?"

His whole platform was "Let's poke the bear."

I thought it was a bad strategy from the start.

 

 

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[ironstone]

32 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

The other side of the coin is that the Canadian public had lots of time to learn what Poilievre was/is all about.  There is a reason why he lost a ~27% poll lead to a first time politician and his 21 year long Carleton seat... don't ya think.

And there are give or take ~50,000 manufacturing jobs lost because of Trump's excessive tariffs so understandable if those people 'poop their pants'... don't ya think.

Conservative support did not drop catastrophically, rather it was Liberal support that rose dramatically thanks to the collapse of the NDP.

In other words, it was left-leaning who may have been on the fence  that decided to keep backing the same bunch that got the country in this mess in the first place.

 

[Legato]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

If Pierre's policy proposals were what he wanted to be evaluated on, he'd have released a costed platform earlier than April 20th last year, after millions of early ballots had already been cast and only a week before the election.

He'd already effectively lost the election by then.  Besides, didn't Carney steal the Conservative platform?  🤨

 

Policy stolen as soon as released and you wonder why a late release?

[Goddess]

44 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I know it's a little thing, but I notice those kinds of things.

Carney is getting a reputation for being quite nasty to female reporters.  I think it's indicative of both his attitude towards women and his attitude towards us "little people" in general. How dare we question him?

The reports of his performance in England said the same thing about him - nasty, short-tempered, hard to work with, a money grubber who spent lavishly.  Both left & right said that about him.

Saw him swat Melanie Joly away from him in the HoC, when she was trying to talk to him.

You can only hide your true personality for so long.  I don't see him being the "nice" person Liberals think he is.

 

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[LinkSoul60]

13 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Yup.  That reason is the CBC and Carney told you all to poop your pants over Trump and ignore issues at home.

I saw it.

 

Carney:  Trump wants our land!

** crowd roars in anger **

Carney:  Trump wants our water!

** crowd roars louder, shaking fists **

Carney:  Trump want to......(ominous voice).......OWN US!

**crowd goes ballistic **

 

I thought, WOW. People are actually buying this.  It was over-the-top fear mongering to me.

I guess the English "Keep calm and carry on" didn't stick with him during his years there. 😬

I mean seriously, that was the English philosophy over getting bombed, and here we were pooping our pants over some tariffs, while ignoring the real issues at home.

Had we not already been through a decade of Liberal anti-industry and giving all our money away to gender sensitive bean farmers in the Congo, tariffs would not have hit us so hard.  The Liberals didn't prepare.  They were more focused on photo-ops and making announcements about stuff they never intended to do.

So now, we have all the same problems - housing, the economy, anti-industry, jobs, healthcare, mass immigration that we can't afford......and nobody working on them.......AND tariffs.  

AND......Every time Carney bad-mouthed Trump and ELBOWS UP against the Americans, I thought, "Yeesh, does he not know we have to negotiate CUSMA again soon?"

His whole platform was "Let's poke the bear."

I thought it was a bad strategy from the start.

 

 

So, where exactly was/has Carney been wrong about that Trump wants from Canada?

I'll pass on commenting on the typical.... Mom look what the liberals did!

 

[Goddess]

Just now, LinkSoul60 said:

So, where exactly was/has Carney been wrong about that Trump wants from Canada?

 

It's been a year....I don't see American troops at our border.  Do you?

Seems Trump is quite occupied with dealing with his own country.

The only way I see the Americans doing anything to us, is if we continue to implode ourselves.  Which we seem to be hell-bent on doing.

3 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I'll pass on commenting on the typical.... Mom look what the liberals did!

Yes, yes!  don't look at what the Liberals do!  Focus.  On Trump.

You know there's a reason why they had to run on fear mongering about Trump and not their record, right?

[LinkSoul60]

19 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Conservative support did not drop catastrophically, rather it was Liberal support that rose dramatically thanks to the collapse of the NDP.

In other words, it was left-leaning who may have been on the fence  that decided to keep backing the same bunch that got the country in this mess in the first place.

 

Moral victories are for losers....  Poilievre's approval was historic drop in losing a ~27% poll lead 😂

 

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Moral victories are for losers....

LOOK OVER THERE!

IT'S TRUMP!

Not done sh!tting your pants yet?

Let us know when you guys are done so we can start working on our economy.

[LinkSoul60]

Just now, Goddess said:

It's been a year....I don't see American troops at our border.  Do you?

Seems Trump is quite occupied with dealing with his own country.

The only way I see the Americans doing anything to us, is if we continue to implode ourselves.  Which we seem to be hell-bent on doing.

Yes, yes!  don't look at what the Liberals do!  Focus.  On Trump.

You know there's a reason why they had to run on fear mongering about Trump and not their record, right?

No, but I see ~50,000 manufacturing jobs lost and a great deal of uncertainty within the economy that affects investment and growth.  

Don't confuse American's with Trump.  Canadian's have nothing against American's....they have a hard on for Trump and rightfully so.  

Mom....look at what the liberals did!  😂