I am Groot Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 6 hours ago, TreeBeard said: I asked how it’s racist to make things equal. You think that’s a disgusting thing to say. Ergo, you don’t seem to be a fan of equality. You guys sure are emotional about this topic. Ad hominems fly when someone suggests not being racist anymore! 😂 Mostly it's 'us' guys suggesting 'you' guys stop being so racist. Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
I am Groot Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 18 hours ago, herbie said: I was talking about actual policy plans, not generalizations. Like I asked a BIL who was on the constituency board of a Fraser Valley Tory MP several elections ago about their lack of a climate plan. He told me it was coming, The obsession the Left has with 'solving' climate change is one of the dumbest and most damaging cult-like beliefs the West has ever embraced. Anyone who has more than Grade Eight math can tell it's a ridiculously expensive exercise in tilting at windmills, heavily damages our economy, and thus results in increasing poverty, increasing deficits, poorer healthcare, and other social outcomes, and will accomplish absolutely NOTHING that you claim to want. 1 Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
I am Groot Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 (edited) On 1/13/2026 at 4:02 PM, herbie said: Jeez do you ever twist shit ass backwards. The lack of alternative policy is exactly why people dislike him. Xero real economic polkcy, There was a lot of economic policy, principally focused on freeing up our natural resources industry - which is what brings money into the country - from the choking grip of legislation and regulations designed to destroy it. The same focus would reduce regulations on business and industry throughout the country, allowing them to thrive in an atmosphere that is not deliberately anti-business. That includes pipelines so we can sell oil at world prices in order to afford all those social welfare programs you're so fond of. Not to mention booting out all the foreign workers, not allowing foreign students to work much, heavily cutting refugee intake, and cutting immigration so people have jobs and companies have to actually train young workers. The Left's idea of economic policy usually involves higher taxes so it can be distributed to favored companies and industries. Which is almost always counterproductive. Witness the billions given to battery makers to bring us essentially zero return. On 1/13/2026 at 4:02 PM, herbie said: turning the lack of a climate policy that cost them 3 elections into an Nobody gives a damn about climate policy anymore but the crazies of the fringe left. And they wouldn't vote Conservative to save their lives. Edited January 15 by I am Groot Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
I am Groot Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 (edited) On 1/13/2026 at 9:48 PM, TreeBeard said: Correcting racism of the past is not racism. The past is past. Nothing you do today affects it in any way. The whole 'correcting racism of the past' is an American thing. All of you people on the Left import your social views wholesale from the Americans, don't even try to alter them to fit Canada's different circumstances, and then act like anyone who opposes you are evil - just like your American friends. The idea we should make amends for past 'racism' towards visible minorities who made up approximately .05% of the population for most of Canada's existence is breathtakingly dumb. According to the 2016 census (the numbers will be MUCH higher now) 80.1% of visible minorities are immigrants. Okay? No history here. The only thing our society did to them was allow them to come here. Almost all arrived post 1970s, and the remainder are their children. Only 1.6% of visible minorities have any history in Canada going back beyond that. On 1/13/2026 at 9:48 PM, TreeBeard said: Workplaces should reflect society, if the people meet the requirements. That's a Marxist/Communist doctrine of equality of outcome that ignores equality of opportunity, which is what anyone sane strives for. It also utterly ignores the different career choices made by people of different cultures/genders because while the Left endlessly professes respect for these groups, it privately dismisses them entirely as 'just like us', and believes everyone wants exactly the same things in exactly the same amounts regardless of culture, gender or orientation. It's not WACISM because Chinese immigrant women don't want to be cops, you blithering imbecile! It's human choices! But then, the Left despises human behaviour. It wants to compress everyone down into a single mold and hates that people can make personal choices based on culture and human behaviour. It doesn't believe they should be allowed ANY choices. It feels the state should choose everything for them. On 1/13/2026 at 9:48 PM, TreeBeard said: How is it racist to remove privilege from white people so things are more equal? People like you invent terms like 'privilege' to pretend to yourself that your actions aren't exactly what you claim to despise in others. Lying to yourself is the principal requirement of being a leftist. Edited January 15 by I am Groot 1 Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
Legato Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 15 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Making deals that will takes time to consummate. One needs to go to the countries to make deals. To speak with other leaders face to face. To make your case. You, as a fairly high ranking Army Guy must know it takes time for deals to consummate. Old deals have to expire before new ones can take effect. Bullcrap. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 29 minutes ago, Legato said: Bullcrap. Really??? Instant contracts?? Where? When? You are not going to an International Trade Store and buying international deals off a shelf LOL I really thought you were smarter than you are demonstrating now LOL Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Legato Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 Just now, ExFlyer said: Really??? Instant contracts?? Where? When? You are not going to an International Trade Store and buying international deals off a shelf LOL I really thought you were smarter than you are demonstrating now LOL Mr. Inept has had a year. Nothing, zilch, multiply by zero, empty buckets, bare cupboards Make another inane comment 10 years from now and we will have nothing, zilch, multiply by zero, empty buckets, bare cupboards. Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 (edited) 46 minutes ago, I am Groot said: The past is past. Nothing you do today affects it in any way. The whole 'correcting racism of the past' is an American thing. All of you people on the Left import your social views wholesale from the Americans, don't even try to alter them to fit Canada's different circumstances, and then act like anyone who opposes you are evil - just like your American friends. The idea we should make amends for past 'racism' towards visible minorities who made up approximately .05% of the population for most of Canada's existence is breathtakingly dumb. .... .... I.... .... People like you invent terms like 'privilege' to pretend to yourself that your actions aren't exactly what you claim to despise in others. Lying to yourself is the principal requirement of being a leftist. Well, we Canadians do very much accept and admire "The whole 'correcting racism of the past". We have in the last several decades removed statues based on what was perceived those folks had done in the past that does not sync with today attitudes. We have renamed buildings, parks bridges etc based on what those folks may have done, believed or purported. We are renaming parks and rivers and lakes and even towns and highways to indigenous nomenclature to demonstrate we are not racists now but have been in the past. So, it is not an "American thing" at all. Edited January 15 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ironstone Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 On 1/13/2026 at 9:48 PM, TreeBeard said: How is it racist to remove privilege from white people so things are more equal? Can you name some examples of white privilege? Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
ExFlyer Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 5 minutes ago, Legato said: Mr. Inept has had a year. Nothing, zilch, multiply by zero, empty buckets, bare cupboards Make another inane comment 10 years from now and we will have nothing, zilch, multiply by zero, empty buckets, bare cupboards. Yup... as I said before, you have no business sense or understanding at all LOL There are no billion dollars deal shelves at any store. There is no "instant" fix or contract in international (or even domestic) affairs. Sad but I truly thought you had some smarts Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ironstone Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 8 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Yup... as I said before, you have no business sense or understanding at all LOL There are no billion dollars deal shelves at any store. There is no "instant" fix or contract in international (or even domestic) affairs. Sad but I truly thought you had some smarts "Instant fix?" They've been in power since 2015 so how many more years do they need to get it right? Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
TreeBeard Posted January 15 Author Report Posted January 15 17 minutes ago, ironstone said: Can you name some examples of white privilege? Of course. White people can take a job without others assuming they got it due to the colour of their skin. 1 Quote
WestCanMan Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 On 1/9/2026 at 6:59 PM, TreeBeard said: Conservative Party members are pressing their leader to adopt a number of controversial policy positions A 'controversial' LPOC party position usually means a scandal or a crime. Some good examples of controversial LPOC policy positions are: Letting child-rapists and other violent criminals out on bail when there's incontrovertible evidence that they're guilty, such as victim statements or if they're caught red-handed the carbon tax, which they had to step back on the gesundheitspass forcing young healthy people to take an improperly trialled drug that they absolutely didn't need sending the police out on horseback to trample peaceful protesters having peaceful protesters beaten on the street calling the unvaccinated racists and misogynists pretending that res schools were murder factories openly bribing media outlets Quote including private health care, We already have it. You can walk into a lab and get an MRI in Canada tomorrow if you pony up the dough, or you can go through medicare and wait 6 months. Upon diagnosis you can book your next medical procedure, and you're instantly 6 months ahead of the guy who has to wait for his diagnosis. You can also go to different country, like the US or Mexico, and put your Canadian money into their health care system. How does it benefit Canadians when large amounts of money leave our country to go into the US system, or Mexico's? Do you think Trudeau's cronies, with their vast sums of money, are gonna wait in line here when they can just pop across the border? Quote scrapping Diversity Equity and Inclusion (DEI) policies Since when is ending a racist and financially detrimental policy 'controversial'? Quote and abandoning the party's previous position to stay out of the abortion debate The problem with the abortion debate is that it's a political goldmine, and the public's perception of it is controlled by the 100% pro-LPOC mainstream media. The conservatives can be winning on 9/10 issues, and all that the MSM has to do to tip the scales left is lie about the CPC's abortion policy. It's a no-brainer. So, as soon as a conservative utters the word 'abortion', the alt-left propaganda machine at the CBC starts redlining and that statement is twisted into "Conservatives hate women!!! This is like something from the Handmaid's Tale!!! My body, my choice, unless it's a dangerous injection that I don't need!!!" The best thing that conservatives can do is just say "We have no interest in changing abortion laws", to prevent the CBC from getting soundbites that they can twist into LPOC votes. Quote Normal Canadians like MAID, So do conservatives. We just don't think it's supposed to be something that the gov't is pimping. It's supposed to be something that Canadians choose themselves, as a last resort. "Were you injured by the jabs? Shhhhhhhhh. Put a tarp down inside your front door and we'll send a medical team over right away, free of charge. We'll even pay to put you in the ground." Quote abortion rights Conservatives aren't against abortion rights. There's really no "abortion debate" to be had. Over 60% of Canadians want women to be able to get an abortion up to 3 months in, and even 3-4 months longer when there are medical issues, depending on the severity. It's healthy babies in the last few months that we really care about. Quote equality of opportunity Everyone has "quality of opportunity", weasel. That has not been an issue here for generations, and to pretend that it is an issue is just your own racism. You really need to try to be a better person, Treebeard. Quote and dislike private healthcare. You can dislike it all you want: people with money are gonna get it no matter what. It's just a matter of whether we allow them to spend their money here, or if they pay airfare and get hotels in a different country, thereby putting their Canadian money into foreign medical systems. That's it. Oh wait, that's not it. It also means that Canadian doctors will have less opportunity here, and we will continue to watch our best doctors go to other countries. Quote Is this going to be the most out of touch Conservative Party ever? As long as the CBC is still out there pulling your strings, you will always view the conservatives as monsters, regardless of what they say or do. Their policies will continue to be branded as "hateful towards women and minorities and bad for the planet!!!" until the LPOC adopts those policies, at which point they will be considered brilliant and noble. Just wait: eventually the Libs will come up with a great plan to "keep Canadian doctors here and offer higher quality services to people who are willing to use their own money for them, at rates that contribute greatly to our own public healthcare system, making our current level of healthcare more affordable, instead of benefitting other countries' medical systems and tourism industries" and you'll say "OMG, that's brilliant! Carney is so f'ing dreamy!" Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
Michael Hardner Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Of course. White people can take a job without others assuming they got it due to the colour of their skin. There's also the idea of the 'nepo baby'... which most people have a negative reaction to. That is, people getting their role because of their parents. It happens in Hollywood, the Music industry etc. But nobody talks about Police, Hydro Workers, and so on getting their jobs because of family connections. Every cop and hydro worker I know got in that way. I have seen people complaining about Indian folks hiring other Indian folks but that has been in small business. I do suspect Indian people have racist views about white Canadians btw, no evidence though. Nobody asked my question about age. Does 'age' provision in hiring constitute a DEI privilege ? I think people should try to have these conversations with their own biases in mind. 6 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: White people can take a job without others assuming they got it due to the colour of their skin. Speaking of DEI - did the NUMBER TWO CONSERVATIVE in Canada get her job because she's a married Lesbian, so that they can hold back that card in case something bad happens ? Just asking... 1 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Moonlight Graham Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 8 hours ago, TreeBeard said: I asked how it’s racist to make things equal. You think that’s a disgusting thing to say. Ergo, you don’t seem to be a fan of equality. You guys sure are emotional about this topic. Ad hominems fly when someone suggests not being racist anymore! 😂 Your solution to "not being racist anymore" is to racially discriminate against white people "to make up for past injustices", whatever that means. So yeah its going to get people heated if you deny people jobs because of their skin colour. I'm for equality of opportunity, which means hiring people based on their merit and qualifications regardless of what they look like. 1 1 Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
ExFlyer Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 (edited) 38 minutes ago, ironstone said: "Instant fix?" They've been in power since 2015 so how many more years do they need to get it right? Carney has been in power a little less than Trump.... not a problem since 2015. The trade issue is caused by Trump and hence, we need to move on from the US since then. Back to topic... will the conservatives be debating alternatives and actions to take with the trade issue caused by Trump and help Canada or with they just agree with PP and worship Trump no matter what he does? Edited January 15 by ExFlyer 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
TreeBeard Posted January 15 Author Report Posted January 15 7 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: Your solution to "not being racist anymore" is to racially discriminate against white people No it wasn’t. 7 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: "to make up for past injustices" Are you quoting me? I don’t remember saying that. 8 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: So yeah it’s going to get people heated if you deny people jobs because of their skin colour. Ending white privilege is really hard on people like you. I get that. Creating a more level playing field seems like you’re losing something. 10 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: I'm for equality of opportunity, which means hiring people based on their merit and qualifications regardless of what they look like. Throwing around insults as soon as someone mentions equality seems like the opposite. Quote
WestCanMan Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: There's also the idea of the 'nepo baby'... which most people have a negative reaction to. That is, people getting their role because of their parents. It happens in Hollywood, the Music industry etc. A DEI hire is worse than a 'nepo baby': the whole policy of DEI is centred around "giving people opportunities that they never earned", either by being underqualified or just being inferior to other applicants by virtue of their lack of proven & pertinent abilities the idea of nepotism isn't centred around inadequacy, it's centred around loyalty, which is 100% normal. If you're a cop, and you've risked your life 200 times for your city/country, and your family member wants to apply, shouldn't they at lest have some kind of leg up? Also, you're hiring (IE, TRAINING) a person for that job who 100% knows what they're getting into, instead of someone who's going to be blindsided in some way, they're far more likely to last more than just a few month or years on the job. FYI training new recruits/workers is costly and inefficient. in this day and age, with so many new Canadians whose primary loyalties lie elsewhere, it makes sense to give nth-generation Canadians sensitive jobs ahead of unvetted immigrants from anti-western countries. Just look how badly Ilhan Omar is failing her constituents... She's a huge racist/religious bigot and it has completely blinded her perception, and made her a detriment to her community and her country. Quote But nobody talks about Police, Hydro Workers, and so on getting their jobs because of family connections. Every cop and hydro worker I know got in that way. You don't think that blue-haired HR tw4ts are unreasonably favouring "non-cisgender white devils" every day with their DEI drivel? Gimme a break. You know damned well that if AOC didn't get elected to destroy her own country, and she was working in HR instead, she'd sewer her own company just to get 'minorities' ahead. And again, if you risked your life as a cop, you've earned some privileges. You just have. It happens in every country, in every line of work, at every pay grade, period. Why should we just ignore the contributions of valuable employees? That's simply ret4rded. 1 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
Legato Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 56 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Yup... as I said before, you have no business sense or understanding at all LOL There are no billion dollars deal shelves at any store. There is no "instant" fix or contract in international (or even domestic) affairs. Sad but I truly thought you had some smarts Smarts are why I made the comment. Sadly you still support a failed waffleburger. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 (edited) 10 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: the whole policy of DEI is centred around "giving people opportunities that they never earned", either by being underqualified or just being inferior to other applicants by virtue of their lack of proven & pertinent abilities the idea of nepotism isn't centred around inadequacy, it's centred around loyalty, which is 100% normal. If you're a cop, and you've risked your life 200 times for your city/country, and your family member wants to apply, shouldn't they at lest have some kind of leg up? Also, you're hiring (IE, TRAINING) a person for that job who 100% knows what they're getting into, instead of someone who's going to be blindsided in some way, they're far more likely to last more than just a few month or years on the job. FYI training new recruits/workers is costly and inefficient. in this day and age, with so many new Canadians whose primary loyalties lie elsewhere, it makes sense to give nth-generation Canadians sensitive jobs ahead of unvetted immigrants from anti-western countries. Just look how badly Ilhan Omar is failing her constituents... She's a huge racist/religious bigot and it has completely blinded her perception, and made her a detriment to her community and her country. 4. You don't think that blue-haired HR tw4ts are unreasonably favouring "non-cisgender white devils" every day with their DEI drivel? 5. Gimme a break. You know damned well that if AOC didn't get elected to destroy her own country, and she was working in HR instead, she'd sewer her own company just to get 'minorities' ahead. 6. And again, if you risked your life as a cop, you've earned some privileges. You just have. It happens in every country, in every line of work, at every pay grade, period. Why should we just ignore the contributions of valuable employees? That's simply ret4rded. 1. I don't think this is true at all. The idea is to give an advantage to qualified people who satisfy diversity criteria. I am not saying I support DEI but your statement is wrong on the face of it. 2. What's the difference ? First of all cop is not as risky a job as people let on... you're letting narrative override facts again. Secondly, once they are hired they are in unless they do something wrong. Getting past the barrier is the hardest part and I thought you wanted fairness... 3. Ok, well you just think Canadians deserve to be hired over others... this is the DEI ethic you have framed as being unfair. 4. You're swatting at imaginary people here, stoking a mythical fire you have set. There's no way to test whether your assertion is right, even leaving out the hair colour. 5. Who cares ? This isn't a conversation about facts, it's a long plaint about the way you see the world, with blue-haired HR 1diots ruining everything. 6. Cops do fine. My cop friends retired quite early and make the among the highest salaries of non-managers. Thank the unions and Hollywood. @eyeball did a job that was a risky by many measures, and Bruce Willis never played a tough fisherman... This conversation is about how you see the world, not reality. Edited January 15 by Michael Hardner 1 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
ironstone Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 10 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Ending white privilege is really hard on people like you. I get that. Creating a more level playing field seems like you’re losing something. A level playing field would be meritocracy. 1 Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
TreeBeard Posted January 15 Author Report Posted January 15 1 minute ago, ironstone said: A level playing field would be meritocracy. Meritocracy, from the definitions I’ve seen, is about who runs the government. I haven’t seen it referred to in the context you’re using. But ok. Call it a meritocracy. By assuming minorities are not in their jobs due to merit, you’re showing my example of white privilege is a valid one. Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 12 minutes ago, Legato said: Smarts are why I made the comment. Sadly you still support a failed waffleburger. Seriously??? You cannot possible have any "smarts" if you do not understand international business processes or procedure and their timelines.. You are clearly just a Walmart shopper LOL Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ironstone Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 19 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Back to topic... will the conservatives be debating alternatives and actions to take with the trade issue caused by Trump and help Canada or with they just agree with PP and worship Trump no matter what he does? I have pointed out a few times that even Carney openly admitted that the Canadian economy was already weak well before Trump, and that he has been involved in shaping Liberal policies since 2020 in an advisory role. Carney has also publicly stated that China is the biggest security threat to Canada and now, he's cozying up to them? The CCP is urging Canada to 'break away' from US influence and presumably be more aligned with China. China is a market that's impossible to ignore but let's not forget that they are not in any way an ally of Canada. Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
Legato Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 Just now, ExFlyer said: Seriously??? You cannot possible have any "smarts" if you do not understand international business processes or procedure and their timelines.. You are clearly just a Walmart shopper LOL Well, the fact that you can't see see the obvious plethora of wafflegob without substance is your failure not mine. There are many articles published on government inaction. People can't walk into a grocery store and ask "how many words does that bag of potatoes cost". Quote
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