CdnFox Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 2 hours ago, Radiorum said: You are forgetting the very important step of Trump manipulating his base into an irrational and fierce hatred for immigrants, dehumanizing them and spreading all kinds of lies about them. here are his words: Simply untrue. If anything that's the kind of manipulation the democrats use to try To invoke hatred of all republicans. The fact is the issues with regarding immigrants have gone back for many years, and in fact Obama talked about how Americans were getting fearful about excessive amounts of immigration back when he first ran. Democrats ignored the legitimate concerns of people and it grew and grew until eventually somebody came along and said I'll solve that for you and they said we like that. I'm afraid they have to own that 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ironstone Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 The presidents radio address which seems pretty reasonable. "This morning I want to talk with you about the problem of illegal immigration. It's a problem our administration inherited, and it's a very serious one. It costs the taxpayers of the United States a lot of money, and it's unfair to Americans who are working every day to pay their own bills. It's also unfair to a lot of people who have waited in line for years and years in other countries to be legal immigrants. Our Nation was built by immigrants. People from every region of the world have made lasting and important contributions to our society. We support legal immigration. In fact, we're doing what we can to speed up the process for people who do apply for citizenship when they're here legally. But we won't tolerate immigration by people whose first act is to break the law as they enter our country. We must continue to do everything we can to strengthen our borders, enforce our laws, and remove illegal aliens from our country." "Now, let me talk a little bit about increasing deportations. We want to focus on the criminal population or on those who are charged with crimes but who are here illegally. Every day, illegal aliens show up in court who are charged. Some are guilty, and surely, some are innocent. Some go to jail, and some don't. But they're all illegal aliens, and whether they're innocent or guilty of the crime they're charged with in court, they're still here illegally and they should be sent out of the country. If they're sentenced to jail, they should go to jail. But then after their term is over, they should be removed from the United States." Bill Clinton https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/the-presidents-radio-address-317 1 Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
Moonlight Graham Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 The problem with ICE is that Trump is sending them into cities/states with mayors/governors etc he doesn't like or that act/ speak against him in order to punish them. That has to be illegal or something. Trump again showing his dictator mentality. The GOP needs to lose hard in the midterms. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Nationalist Posted January 13 Author Report Posted January 13 1 minute ago, Moonlight Graham said: The problem with ICE is that Trump is sending them into cities/states with mayors/governors etc he doesn't like or that act/ speak against him in order to punish them. That has to be illegal or something. Trump again showing his dictator mentality. The GOP needs to lose hard in the midterms. Lol...the problem is these cities and states think they can declare themselves a "sanctuary" and protect all these undesirables, at the nation's expense. 2 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: The problem with ICE is that Trump is sending them into cities/states with mayors/governors etc he doesn't like or that act/ speak against him in order to punish them. That has to be illegal or something. Why is that illegal ? Those same cities and states are far more likely to have sanctuary policies and/or non-supportive roles for ICE operations, necessitating the need for more ICE resource deployment. You know what is illegal ? Illegals ! Edited January 13 by bush_cheney2004 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Moonlight Graham Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Why is that illegal ? Those same cities and states are far more likely to have sanctuary policies and/or non-supportive roles for ICE operations, necessitating the need for more ICE resource deployment. You what is illegal ? Illegals ! I don't have issues deporting illegals. The issue is using ICE as a political weapon for Trump to target his political enemies. That would fall under harassment or something. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
robosmith Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 7 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: The problem with ICE is that Trump is sending them into cities/states with mayors/governors etc he doesn't like or that act/ speak against him in order to punish them. That has to be illegal or something. Trump again showing his dictator mentality. The GOP needs to lose hard in the midterms. And very few ICE invasions in red states. Quote
Legato Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 9 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: The problem with ICE is that Trump is sending them into cities/states with mayors/governors etc he doesn't like or that act/ speak against him in order to punish them. That has to be illegal or something. Trump again showing his dictator mentality. The GOP needs to lose hard in the midterms. Bullcrap. 1 Quote
robosmith Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 4 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Lol...the problem is these cities and states think they can declare themselves a "sanctuary" and protect all these undesirables, at the nation's expense. You have no idea what the meaning of sanctuary is. There is NO OBLIGATION for state nor city LEO to assist in the enforcement of Federal Law. They are NOT PAID to do that. Why do you Canucks keep pretending you know US LAW? LMAO 1 minute ago, Legato said: Bullcrap. You can pretend all you want but you're just IGNORANT of US Law. Quote
Radiorum Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 34 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Lol...you played your cards and are losing. Poor you. You're on the wrong side of history. Hate is always the wrong side. Quote
Legato Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 1 minute ago, robosmith said: You have no idea what the meaning of sanctuary is. There is NO OBLIGATION for state nor city LEO to assist in the enforcement of Federal Law. They are NOT PAID to do that. Why do you Canucks keep pretending you know US LAW? LMAO You can pretend all you want but you're just IGNORANT of US Law. Sanctuary cities where all the bullcrap goes. Be careful where you step. Quote
Radiorum Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 23 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Simply untrue. If anything that's the kind of manipulation the democrats use to try To invoke hatred of all republicans. The fact is the issues with regarding immigrants have gone back for many years, and in fact Obama talked about how Americans were getting fearful about excessive amounts of immigration back when he first ran. Democrats ignored the legitimate concerns of people and it grew and grew until eventually somebody came along and said I'll solve that for you and they said we like that. I'm afraid they have to own that You're on the wrong side of history, too Quote
Legato Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 Just now, Radiorum said: You're on the wrong side of history. Hate is always the wrong side. That's where you live, every post every day seething with the pathological hatred of Trump. Seek help. Quote
robosmith Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 2 minutes ago, Legato said: Sanctuary cities where all the bullcrap goes. Be careful where you step. Have you ever even been to one? LMAO Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 6 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: I don't have issues deporting illegals. The issue is using ICE as a political weapon for Trump to target his political enemies. That would fall under harassment or something. It might be harassment, but the administration has a legal mandate to prosecute illegal immigration and associated disqualifying crimes. States will have to sue in court and find out what is legal...what is not. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Legato Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 Just now, robosmith said: Have you ever even been to one? LMAO Yes LA a few years ago and it stunk. Quote
Radiorum Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 2 minutes ago, Legato said: That's where you live, every post every day seething with the pathological hatred of Trump This is just not true. Why do you think I hate Trump because I present facts about him? Why do you think it is your job to protect him? Quote
robosmith Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 1 minute ago, Legato said: That's where you live, every post every day seething with the pathological hatred of Trump. Seek help. You made a mistake ^here. It's hatred of pathological Trump. The help that's needed is getting rid of HIM. After promising DAY ONE DICTATOR, he lost track of the time and is still at it. 🤮 Quote
ironstone Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 6 minutes ago, robosmith said: And very few ICE invasions in red states. The illegal immigrants would tend to go where the sanctuary cities are, would they not? It's a pity that Democrats did a 180 on border security over time because most of this entire illegal immigrant mess might have been avoided. Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
Nationalist Posted January 13 Author Report Posted January 13 5 minutes ago, Radiorum said: You're on the wrong side of history. Hate is always the wrong side. Oh blow you condescending chickenshit out your a55. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
robosmith Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 1 minute ago, Legato said: Yes LA a few years ago and it stunk. You shoulda popped for a nice hotel instead of the slums. Quote
robosmith Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 2 minutes ago, ironstone said: The illegal immigrants would tend to go where the sanctuary cities are, would they not? It's a pity that Democrats did a 180 on border security over time because most of this entire illegal immigrant mess might have been avoided. They had a comprehensive bipartisan immigration bill ready before the election but Trump told Johnson to KILL IT. Quote
Nationalist Posted January 13 Author Report Posted January 13 13 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: I don't have issues deporting illegals. The issue is using ICE as a political weapon for Trump to target his political enemies. That would fall under harassment or something. Its not a political weapon. The red states cooperate and there's no big issues. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
ironstone Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Radiorum said: You're on the wrong side of history. Hate is always the wrong side. Is there much difference between Clinton and Trump on the subject of illegal immigration? Why is Trump deemed hateful for his stance while Bill Clinton never was? How about this Democrat?(Senator at the time) Edited January 13 by ironstone 2 Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
User Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 24 minutes ago, Radiorum said: You're on the wrong side of history. Hate is always the wrong side. The cheap fortune cookie machine is back! 15 minutes ago, robosmith said: They had a comprehensive bipartisan immigration bill ready before the election but Trump told Johnson to KILL IT. It was a shit bill and as evidenced by Trump, all Biden had to do was enforce existing laws. 19 minutes ago, Radiorum said: This is just not true. Why do you think I hate Trump because I present facts about him? Why do you think it is your job to protect him? Because you don’t present facts. You lie and then run away when called out. Quote
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