Scott75 Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 Just finished reading an article that bears the name of this thread. It was written by a journalist named Simplicius, who I believe I was introduced to by Michael Hardner here, and I think he really is quite good. Quoting its introduction: ** What do you know? Today in court the Justice Department officially dropped the fake claim that Maduro was ringleader of the fictitious ‘Cartel of the Suns’, which never existed. The theater is not required anymore, you see, now that he’s captured! Convenient how that works, no? [snip] Can this administration and Justice Department in particular stoop any lower? After their Epstein docs “shell games” it was hard to believe that they could or would. That’s all not to mention the fact that the indictment itself now strikes a bit different compared to the accusations levied against Maduro in lead up to his capture, which were used to build him up as the world’s greatest crime boss: The Onion fixed that: But it little matters anymore, as the Trump administration has dropped all pretenses of adhering to any laws, strictures, or moral codes: they have simply declared the US’s right to take whatever it wants by virtue of its superpower status alone. [snip] ** Full article: https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/big-surprise-legal-story-changes 2 1 Quote
gatomontes99 Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 Don't lie when it is easy so easy to disprove: Quote NICOLAS MADURO MOROS, the defendant-like former President Chavez before him-participates in, perpetuates, and protects a culture of corruption in which powerful Venezuelan elites enrich themselves through drug trafficking and the protection of their partner drug traffickers. The profits of that illegal activity flow to corrupt rank-and-file civilian, military, and intelligence officials, who operate in a patronage system run by those at the top-referred to as the Cartel de Los Soles or Cartel of the Suns, a reference to the sun insignia affixed to the uniforms of high-ranking Venezuelan military officials. Between in or about October 2015 and in or about November 2015, Efrain Campo Flores and Franqui Francisco Flores de Freitas-two relatives of MADURO MOROS and FLORES DE MADURO-agreed during recorded meetings with DEA confidential sources to dispatch multi-hundred-kilogram cocaine shipments from MADURO MOROS's "presidential hangar" at the Maiquetia Airport. During recorded meetings with the sources, Campo Flores and Flores de Freitas explained that they were at "war" with the United States, described the Cartel de Los Soles, discussed a connection to a "commander for the FARC" who was "supposedly high- 15 ranked," and indicated that they were seeking to raise $20 million in drug proceeds to support a campaign by FLORES DE MADURO in connection with a late-2015 election for the Venezuelan National Assembly. Campo Flores referred to MADURO MOROS as his "father," and stated that "what we want is for him to take control again of the ... National Assembly." In or about November 2016, Campo Flores and Flores de Freitas were convicted at trial in this District of conspiring to import cocaine into the United State https://www.justice.gov/opa/media/1422326/dl 1 Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
Scott75 Posted January 6 Author Report Posted January 6 (edited) 3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: Don't lie when it is easy so easy to disprove: No mention of fentanyl or stolen oil in what you quoted either. Also, as to the "Cartel of the Suns": ** The Justice Department has backed off a dubious claim about President Nicolás Maduro that the Trump administration promoted last year in laying the groundwork to remove him from power in Venezuela: accusing him of leading a drug cartel called Cartel de los Soles. That claim traces back to a 2020 grand jury indictment of Mr. Maduro drafted by the Justice Department. In July 2025, copying language from it, the Treasury Department designated Cartel de los Soles as a terrorist organization. In November, Marco Rubio, the secretary of state and President Trump’s national security adviser, ordered the State Department to do the same. But experts in Latin American crime and narcotics issues have said it is actually a slang term, invented by the Venezuelan media in the 1990s, for officials who are corrupted by drug money. And on Saturday, after the administration captured Mr. Maduro, the Justice Department released a rewritten indictment that appeared to tacitly concede the point. Prosecutors still accused Mr. Maduro of participating in a drug trafficking conspiracy but they abandoned the claim that Cartel de los Soles was an actual organization. Instead, the revised indictment states that it refers to a “patronage system” and a “culture of corruption” fueled by drug money. Where the old indictment refers 32 times to Cartel de los Soles and describes Mr. Maduro as its leader, the new one mentions it twice and says that he, like his predecessor, President Hugo Chávez, participated in, perpetuated and protected this patronage system. ** Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/05/us/trump-venezuela-drug-cartel-de-los-soles.html Edited January 6 by Scott75 Added information Quote
gatomontes99 Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 14 minutes ago, Scott75 said: No mention of fentanyl or stolen oil in what you quoted either. Also, as to the "Cartel of the Suns": ** The Justice Department has backed off a dubious claim about President Nicolás Maduro that the Trump administration promoted last year in laying the groundwork to remove him from power in Venezuela: accusing him of leading a drug cartel called Cartel de los Soles. That claim traces back to a 2020 grand jury indictment of Mr. Maduro drafted by the Justice Department. In July 2025, copying language from it, the Treasury Department designated Cartel de los Soles as a terrorist organization. In November, Marco Rubio, the secretary of state and President Trump’s national security adviser, ordered the State Department to do the same. But experts in Latin American crime and narcotics issues have said it is actually a slang term, invented by the Venezuelan media in the 1990s, for officials who are corrupted by drug money. And on Saturday, after the administration captured Mr. Maduro, the Justice Department released a rewritten indictment that appeared to tacitly concede the point. Prosecutors still accused Mr. Maduro of participating in a drug trafficking conspiracy but they abandoned the claim that Cartel de los Soles was an actual organization. Instead, the revised indictment states that it refers to a “patronage system” and a “culture of corruption” fueled by drug money. Where the old indictment refers 32 times to Cartel de los Soles and describes Mr. Maduro as its leader, the new one mentions it twice and says that he, like his predecessor, President Hugo Chávez, participated in, perpetuated and protected this patronage system. ** Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/05/us/trump-venezuela-drug-cartel-de-los-soles.html I literally quoted the indictment that you say doesn't bring up cartel de la soles. But it does. Twice. And it talks about how Maduro used his own private hangar to help cartel de la soles to stage and ship narcotics. You are just lying when the evidence is front and center. Why? Why operate in a fantasy world when you know we call all see the reality? Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
Scott75 Posted January 6 Author Report Posted January 6 7 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: I literally quoted the indictment that you say doesn't bring up cartel de la soles. But it does. Twice. I didn't say that. I said they reduced their mentioning of Cartel de los Soles from 32 times in the old indictment, to the 2 times that you mention in the new one. Also, that the Trump Administration abandoned the claim that Cartel de los Soles was an actual organization. 9 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: And it talks about how Maduro used his own private hangar to help cartel de la soles to stage and ship narcotics. That charge I haven't looked at yet. Quote
Legato Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 1 hour ago, Scott75 said: I didn't say that. I said they reduced their mentioning of Cartel de los Soles from 32 times in the old indictment, to the 2 times that you mention in the new one. Also, that the Trump Administration abandoned the claim that Cartel de los Soles was an actual organization. That charge I haven't looked at yet. Why are people attempting to circle the wagons around a known illegitimate president, thug and drug trafficker? 2 Quote
User Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 Oh man, what a revelation! I guess Trump should fly him back down and let him go now. 1 Quote
ironstone Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Legato said: Why are people attempting to circle the wagons around a known illegitimate president, thug and drug trafficker? These people genuinely hate Donald Trump more than any other person on earth. They don't care what Maduro and Chavez before him have done to their own people. Starvation, deep poverty, targeting political opponents, stealing elections, drug trafficking...they just don't care. Politically, many of them are probably more aligned with Maduro/Chavez than with the American president. Edited January 6 by ironstone 1 Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
robosmith Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 2 hours ago, Scott75 said: I didn't say that. I said they reduced their mentioning of Cartel de los Soles from 32 times in the old indictment, to the 2 times that you mention in the new one. Also, that the Trump Administration abandoned the claim that Cartel de los Soles was an actual organization. You'll find that gato is very prone to LYING which is why he's on my ignore list. Quote
robosmith Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 1 hour ago, Legato said: Why are people attempting to circle the wagons around a known illegitimate president, thug and drug trafficker? Yeah, why do you continually "circle the wagons" around Trump, who would not be POTUS if the RepubliCON Senate had the guts to convict him for Jan 6th like Brazil did with Bolsonaro. 🤮 1 hour ago, ironstone said: These people genuinely hate Donald Trump more than any other person on earth. They don't care what Maduro and Chavez before him have done to their own people. Starvation, deep poverty, targeting political opponents, stealing elections, drug trafficking...they just don't care. Politically, many of them are probably more aligned with Maduro/Chavez than with the American president. ^These people know how extremely CORRUPT Trump is, but give him a pass because they falsely believe he is "on their side." 🤮 Quote
ironstone Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 19 minutes ago, robosmith said: Yeah, why do you continually "circle the wagons" around Trump, who would not be POTUS if the RepubliCON Senate had the guts to convict him for Jan 6th like Brazil did with Bolsonaro Convict him for what exactly? He isn't responsible for Jan 6. 21 minutes ago, robosmith said: ^These people know how extremely CORRUPT Trump is, but give him a pass because they falsely believe he is "on their side." You guys still can't name a real crime. I'll always refer to the actual law professor that has repeatedly stated that at worst, his 'crimes' were misdemeanors that were turned into felonies. Would you be happier if Maduro was still running Venezuela? Would you be open to changing your mind if things get demonstrably better for Venezuelans from now on? Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
Nationalist Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 4 hours ago, Scott75 said: No mention of fentanyl or stolen oil in what you quoted either. Also, as to the "Cartel of the Suns": ** The Justice Department has backed off a dubious claim about President Nicolás Maduro that the Trump administration promoted last year in laying the groundwork to remove him from power in Venezuela: accusing him of leading a drug cartel called Cartel de los Soles. That claim traces back to a 2020 grand jury indictment of Mr. Maduro drafted by the Justice Department. In July 2025, copying language from it, the Treasury Department designated Cartel de los Soles as a terrorist organization. In November, Marco Rubio, the secretary of state and President Trump’s national security adviser, ordered the State Department to do the same. But experts in Latin American crime and narcotics issues have said it is actually a slang term, invented by the Venezuelan media in the 1990s, for officials who are corrupted by drug money. And on Saturday, after the administration captured Mr. Maduro, the Justice Department released a rewritten indictment that appeared to tacitly concede the point. Prosecutors still accused Mr. Maduro of participating in a drug trafficking conspiracy but they abandoned the claim that Cartel de los Soles was an actual organization. Instead, the revised indictment states that it refers to a “patronage system” and a “culture of corruption” fueled by drug money. Where the old indictment refers 32 times to Cartel de los Soles and describes Mr. Maduro as its leader, the new one mentions it twice and says that he, like his predecessor, President Hugo Chávez, participated in, perpetuated and protected this patronage system. ** Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/05/us/trump-venezuela-drug-cartel-de-los-soles.html Wasn't Chavez tried and jailed by his own people? 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
robosmith Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 1 hour ago, ironstone said: Convict him for what exactly? He isn't responsible for Jan 6. Wrong. Listen to Jack Smith's testimony. "Jan 6th would not have happened WITHOUT Trump." Grow up and face the FACTS. 1 hour ago, ironstone said: You guys still can't name a real crime. Interference with an official government function is a CRIME. Read the indictment. 1 hour ago, ironstone said: I'll always refer to the actual law professor that has repeatedly stated that at worst, his 'crimes' were misdemeanors that were turned into felonies. You'll refer to Douchowitz who is commonly known to LIE when he's out of court to recruit clients. Because that's not illegal and he can deal with the consequences legally. 1 hour ago, ironstone said: Would you be happier if Maduro was still running Venezuela? Would you be open to changing your mind if things get demonstrably better for Venezuelans from now on? I will never accept an authoritarian thug taking over a country by force. Quote
Nationalist Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 1 hour ago, robosmith said: Yeah, why do you continually "circle the wagons" around Trump, Because hes the duly elected President of the United fcking States...you goof. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
robosmith Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 4 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Because hes the duly elected President of the United fcking States...you goof. Who ILLEGALLY tried to overturn the election, you lDIOT. Bolsonaro is rightly serving 27 years in prison for the same CRIME. Quote
ironstone Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 7 minutes ago, robosmith said: Wrong. Listen to Jack Smith's testimony. "Jan 6th would not have happened WITHOUT Trump." Grow up and face the FACTS. It was an opinion. And it was a wrong opinion. Only in the wacky world of the left does someone telling his supporters to peacefully protest somehow get construed as he wanted them to riot. In legal matters, the opinion of Alan Dershowitz will always 'trump' those of smith's, whether it's a robo or a Jack. Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
User Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 25 minutes ago, robosmith said: Wrong. Listen to Jack Smith's testimony. "Jan 6th would not have happened WITHOUT Trump." Grow up and face the FACTS. This is a stupid game of causality, not a crime. J6 wouldn’t have happened if Democrats were not so anti-military at the time and would have supported more National Guard troops BEFORE anything bad happened. Quote
Nationalist Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 27 minutes ago, robosmith said: Who ILLEGALLY tried to overturn the election, you lDIOT. Bolsonaro is rightly serving 27 years in prison for the same CRIME. Illegally? Man what color is your sky? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
suds Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 1 hour ago, ironstone said: Would you be happier if Maduro was still running Venezuela? Would you be open to changing your mind if things get demonstrably better for Venezuelans from now on? I was reading that for a time in the 1950's Venezuela had the world's 4th highest GDP/capita. Today, I doubt that many Venezuelan's who support Maduro or his government are in love with the conditions they're forced to live under. They're simply true believers who are in love with the marxist ideology that's behind it. And that's what makes it so intoxicating and such a threat. Quote
robosmith Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 22 minutes ago, ironstone said: It was an opinion. And it was a wrong opinion. It was/IS a sound legal JUDGEMENT based on the EVIDENCE. Something YOU know NOTHING about. 22 minutes ago, ironstone said: Only in the wacky world of the left does someone telling his supporters to peacefully protest somehow get construed as he wanted them to riot. Only an lDIOT refuses to acknowledge that Trump's PARDONS prove they did EXACTLY what he wanted. 22 minutes ago, ironstone said: In legal matters, the opinion of Alan Dershowitz will always 'trump' those of smith's, whether it's a robo or a Jack. It's NOT legal opinion, IT'S HONESTY. And Douchowitz always LIES to get CLIENTS by telling them what they want to hear. Quote
robosmith Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 6 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Illegally? Man what color is your sky? The color of the sky in a world where interfering in an official government function is a CRIME. You need to learn how to face FACTS, dropout. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 9 hours ago, Scott75 said: Just finished reading an article that bears the name of this thread.who I belie It was written by a journalist named Simplicius, A professional and serious jouranlist who's name is 'simplicus'. really. I'm convinced of his credentials already, most respectable journalists use joke fake names for their work right? Right? Yeash. And the article doesn't live up to the headline. I've never even heard it claimed that he was leading a drug cartel called Cartel de los Soles. And it wouldn't be a crime if he was unless that had been named as a criminal organization, the crime would be what he did as a member. That article is a complete joke. Indictments are always worded very specifically and are always different than the general terms used to describe the crimes before hand, give me one example where that ISN"T the case. Once again i'm forced to ask, is there nothing about this issue or trump that is genuinely wrong that you can bring up that you have to create false crap like this in order to complain about it? If there's nothing legitimate to complain about then why aren't you supporting him? And if there is why are you fabricating crap? Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
herbie Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 Talk about circling the wagons as they all rush to try to defend Trump's 'right' to solely determine the fate of other people's nations for them. Then when the fat old fool only speaks of the oil wealth continue to claim he was supporting their 'freedom'. As he does with Ukraine even as he stabs it in the back. Call him the liar among an ocean of Trump lies. 1 Quote
Legato Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 1 minute ago, herbie said: Talk about circling the wagons as they all rush to try to defend Trump's 'right' to solely determine the fate of other people's nations for them. Then when the fat old fool only speaks of the oil wealth continue to claim he was supporting their 'freedom'. As he does with Ukraine even as he stabs it in the back. Call him the liar among an ocean of Trump lies. So America should replace Trump with the Maduro? A simpletons man. Quote
WestCanMan Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 10 hours ago, Scott75 said: Just finished reading an article that bears the name of this thread. It was written by a journalist named Simplicius, who I believe I was introduced to by Michael Hardner here, and I think he really is quite good. Quoting its introduction: ** What do you know? Today in court the Justice Department officially dropped the fake claim that Maduro was ringleader of the fictitious ‘Cartel of the Suns’, which never existed. The theater is not required anymore, you see, now that he’s captured! Convenient how that works, no? [snip] Can this administration and Justice Department in particular stoop any lower? After their Epstein docs “shell games” it was hard to believe that they could or would. That’s all not to mention the fact that the indictment itself now strikes a bit different compared to the accusations levied against Maduro in lead up to his capture, which were used to build him up as the world’s greatest crime boss: The Onion fixed that: But it little matters anymore, as the Trump administration has dropped all pretenses of adhering to any laws, strictures, or moral codes: they have simply declared the US’s right to take whatever it wants by virtue of its superpower status alone. [snip] ** Full article: https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/big-surprise-legal-story-changes 1) Just because the "Whatever of Suns" charges were dropped doesn't mean that it was always a fiction. That's an absurdly stupid claim. It's normal for prosecutors to change their minds about what charges they're gonna bring, what level of murder charge they're gonna go for, etc. 2) The charges against Maduro went through an actual judicial trial process in America before Trump's second term started. Grand Jury no less. You're getting propaganda from an MH source. That maroon thinks that the CBC is a legitimate news org ffs. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
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