robosmith Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 The US never owned the oil in Venezuela. US oil companies HAD a license to pump an sell Venezuelan oil for a SHARE of the profits. Now Trump has ordered the illegal invasion and capture of Maduro, and LIES that we are taking back OUR OIL. Today an illegal coup in Venezuela, but where next? ... The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com › commentisfree › jan › il... 3 hours ago — The world will be anxious, and rightly so. For a man so bent on a peace prize, Trump appears to revel in conflict, writes Simon Tisdall. 1 Quote
robosmith Posted January 3 Author Report Posted January 3 Follow live updates What we know about Maduro's capture Watch: Reporter in Caracas describes hearing loud bangs Why has Trump targeted Venezuela? Quote Trump blames Nicolás Maduro for the arrival of hundreds of thousands of Venezuelan migrants in the US. They are among close to eight million Venezuelans estimated to have fled the country's economic crisis and repression since 2013. Without providing evidence, Trump has accused Maduro of "emptying his prisons and insane asylums" and "forcing" its inmates to migrate to the US. Trump has also focused on fighting the influx of drugs - especially fentanyl and cocaine - into the US. He has designated two Venezuelan criminal groups - Tren de Aragua and Cartel de los Soles - as Foreign Terrorist Organisations (FTOs) and has alleged that the latter is led by Maduro himself. Analysts have pointed out that Cartel de los Soles is not a hierarchical group but a term used to describe corrupt officials who have allowed cocaine to transit through Venezuela. Trump had also doubled the reward for information leading to Maduro's capture and has announced that he would designate the Maduro government as an FTO. Maduro has vehemently denied being a cartel leader and has accused the US of using its "war on drugs" as an excuse to try to depose him and get its hands on Venezuela's vast oil reserves. Quote
West Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 8 minutes ago, robosmith said: Follow live updates What we know about Maduro's capture Watch: Reporter in Caracas describes hearing loud bangs Why has Trump targeted Venezuela? The Biden administration did not recognize Maduro and hes been wanted for NARCO TERRORISM for five years. Its telling who's likely apart of Maduros crime ring, some in the US government, by those who are crying about his arrest 2 1 Quote
robosmith Posted January 3 Author Report Posted January 3 3 minutes ago, West said: The Biden administration did not recognize Maduro and hes been wanted for NARCO TERRORISM for five years. Its telling who's likely apart of Maduros crime ring, some in the US government, by those who are crying about his arrest ^Based solely on Trump's LIES. Trump invented "NARCO TERRORISM" and it doesn't exist outside of his EO. Quote
User Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 53 minutes ago, robosmith said: The US never owned the oil in Venezuela. US oil companies HAD a license to pump an sell Venezuelan oil for a SHARE of the profits. Now Trump has ordered the illegal invasion and capture of Maduro, and LIES that we are taking back OUR OIL. Sematics. If we have the rights to the oil, saying it is our oil is the same as saying it is our oil. On that note, just to make sure your claims about this being illegal are not just partisan ramblings, you do also agree that Biden and Obama both engaged in the illegal use of the military too? 3 minutes ago, robosmith said: ^Based solely on Trump's LIES. Trump invented "NARCO TERRORISM" and it doesn't exist outside of his EO. This term has been around since the 80's you clown. Quote
West Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 7 minutes ago, robosmith said: ^Based solely on Trump's LIES. Trump invented "NARCO TERRORISM" and it doesn't exist outside of his EO. The official position of the US government is that Tren de Aragua is a terrorist organization. Maduro was not viewed as legitimate by most western countries. Venezuela was run by a terrorist state who were funding terrorism in the US. Therefore Trump lawfully acted. Duh 3 Quote
Nationalist Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 1 hour ago, West said: The official position of the US government is that Tren de Aragua is a terrorist organization. Maduro was not viewed as legitimate by most western countries. Venezuela was run by a terrorist state who were funding terrorism in the US. Therefore Trump lawfully acted. Duh Im not a big fan of what the US did. I understand the reasoning geopolitically, but im not a fan of this. I wonder who's next? Maybe Trump traded Ukraine for Venezuela? 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
West Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 5 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Im not a big fan of what the US did. I understand the reasoning geopolitically, but im not a fan of this. I wonder who's next? Maybe Trump traded Ukraine for Venezuela? IMO? Maduro is being used as bait in the Southern District of New York. Quote
robosmith Posted January 3 Author Report Posted January 3 1 hour ago, West said: The official position of the US government is that Tren de Aragua is a terrorist organization. Maduro was not viewed as legitimate by most western countries. Venezuela was run by a terrorist state who were funding terrorism in the US. Therefore Trump lawfully acted. Duh You have ZERO EVIDENCE that Venezuela funded terrorism in the US. None of those boats from Venezuela were headed for the US. Unfortunately all that evidence was DESTROYED. 17 minutes ago, West said: IMO? Maduro is being used as bait in the Southern District of New York. Too bad your amateur legal opinions mean NOTHING, Canuck. Quote
West Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 6 minutes ago, robosmith said: You have ZERO EVIDENCE that Venezuela funded terrorism in the US. None of those boats from Venezuela were headed for the US. Unfortunately all that evidence was DESTROYED. Too bad your amateur legal opinions mean NOTHING, Canuck. Its in the indictment. Duh Quote
User Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 51 minutes ago, robosmith said: You have ZERO EVIDENCE that Venezuela funded terrorism in the US. Sure we do: https://www.justice.gov/opa/media/1422326/dl 52 minutes ago, robosmith said: None of those boats from Venezuela were headed for the US. OK... but when you stop being dishonestly obtuse, where were those drugs going to end up and what was the money funding? 52 minutes ago, robosmith said: Unfortunately all that evidence was DESTROYED. No, just the boats. This is not a criminal trial, it is a military action. 53 minutes ago, robosmith said: Too bad your amateur legal opinions mean NOTHING, Canuck. Which is still more than you have. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Im not a big fan of what the US did. I understand the reasoning geopolitically, but im not a fan of this. I wonder who's next? Maybe Trump traded Ukraine for Venezuela? Hopefully the terrorist Islamic Republic of Iran is next. This would free the entire Middle East from terrorism, save Israel from possible mass destruction and does a lot of good for world economy by bringing an mineral/oil rich nation of Iran into civilized markets. Edited January 3 by CITIZEN_2015 2 1 Quote
robosmith Posted January 3 Author Report Posted January 3 59 minutes ago, West said: Its in the indictment. Duh Prove it, with EVIDENCE. Duh Quote
User Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 9 minutes ago, robosmith said: Prove it, with EVIDENCE. Duh I just did, but you are a cowardly clown who hides. 1 Quote
Legato Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 1 hour ago, robosmith said: Prove it, with EVIDENCE. Duh Ding Dong Bell, the ****'s in the Well. What more evidence do you need. Quote
robosmith Posted January 3 Author Report Posted January 3 28 minutes ago, Legato said: Ding Dong Bell, the ****'s in the Well. What more evidence do you need. No more than ^this to prove you're a CLOWN. Quote
Nationalist Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Hopefully the terrorist Islamic Republic of Iran is next. This would free the entire Middle East from terrorism, save Israel from possible mass destruction and does a lot of good for world economy by bringing an mineral/oil rich nation of Iran into civilized markets. Doubtful...but...ya never know... 3 hours ago, West said: IMO? Maduro is being used as bait in the Southern District of New York. Ok...ya got me...bait? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
eyeball Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 4 hours ago, User said: This term has been around since the 80's you clown. The US has always come up with excuses for blaming other countries and people for it's demand for drugs and projected it's war against them instead of looking in the mirror. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Radiorum Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 This is a copy of something I posted in the Maduro thread, that might provide some insight in this thread. Trump’s support of Putin and Russia is starting to make sense. Trump would give Ukraine to Putin, and in return Putin would give Venezuela to Trump. Venezuela is Russia's most important trading and military ally in Latin America. Russia recognized Nicolás Maduro as the president of Venezuela, instead of Juan Guaidó This was a case of “You keep out of my face, I’ll keep out of yours.” Putin gets his prize in Europe, and Trump gets trillions of dollars in oil. You think it is a coincidence that Trump sent warships into the Caribbean one day after his meeting with Putin in Anchorage? According to the Congressional testimony in 2019 of Fiona Hill, this kind of deal was on the table during the first Trump Administration Quote
ironstone Posted January 3 Report Posted January 3 (edited) Expropriations/Nationalizations of U.S. Company Assets During Chávez’s presidency, Venezuela pursued a broad policy of nationalizing key sectors of the economy (especially oil, electricity, steel and other industries) and expropriating private foreign-owned assets: Oil Projects – In the Orinoco Belt starting in 2007, Venezuela required foreign oil companies to hand over majority control of operations to the state oil company PDVSA. U.S. majors like ExxonMobil and ConocoPhillips ended up losing control of their Venezuelan oil assets after failing to agree on new contract terms. Their assets were taken and nationalized. CiberCuba Cargill – A major U.S. agricultural company saw its rice processing assets seized during a wave of nationalizations. archive.ph Williams Companies – Another U.S. energy firm had a gas plant taken over by the state. archive.ph Helmerich & Payne (oil rigs) – Eleven oil drilling rigs owned by this U.S. company were seized under Chávez. This might be a bad move by Trump or a prudent move. Only time will tell. There were over 50 countries that did not recognize the Maduro government as legitimate. Edited January 4 by ironstone 1 Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
West Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 47 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Doubtful...but...ya never know... Ok...ya got me...bait? It'll make the Libbies commit who run that court system. Thats the same area where they keep overturning the planes returning the drug smugglers and who tried to imprison him over looking at voter fraud Quote
Nationalist Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 29 minutes ago, West said: It'll make the Libbies commit who run that court system. Thats the same area where they keep overturning the planes returning the drug smugglers and who tried to imprison him over looking at voter fraud Ah...ok got it. Ya this should be interesting. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
User Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 1 hour ago, eyeball said: The US has always come up with excuses for blaming other countries and people for it's demand for drugs and projected it's war against them instead of looking in the mirror. Same old ignorant comments that have already been responded to many times on here. Drugs cause an addiction, people buying them are not in their right minds. Part of combating this is, in fact, looking to those pushing the drugs. These narco terrorists are also involved in more criminal actions in our country than merely smuggling drugs in, dealing with this is also dealing with that threat too. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted January 4 Report Posted January 4 Yes! Yes! Yes! 2 Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
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