Canadians Are Already Over Carney

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Reg Volk said:

Hey Canada-hating Carney loving cultist - why, if Canada was so great a place to process steel, wouldn't Algoma have invested in new efficient processing?  Why would they just close down and move away?  BECAUSE OF THE STUPID LIBERALS and their reeetarded policies, that's why.  The Liberals have destroyed this country, and the grey-haired baby-boomer idlots were the ones who helped them do it.

So sad you cannot accept factual information LOL

"AI Overview

Algoma Steel has announced the permanent closure of its coke-making and blast furnace operations in Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario,to be completed in early 2026, marking a shift to electric arc furnace (EAF) steelmaking."

[Goddess]

30 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

He consulted/advised on it.  Of couse you take that to mean he was in charge and making all of the decisions because...well that's comfy self-affirmation.  

So Trudeau DIDN'T listen to anything he said?

Is that what you're saying?

I mean, c'mon.

We all know Justin "Budgets will balance themselves" Trudeau had zero economic ability.  That's the whole reason why he hired Carney.

And you're saying he had no influence on Trudeau?  No one followed his advice?

GTFO.

[Moonbox]

9 minutes ago, Goddess said:

So Trudeau DIDN'T listen to anything he said?

Is that what you're saying?

I mean, c'mon.

I don't know what Trudeau listened to.  Nothing he did really seemed like it was based on economic advice though. 

9 minutes ago, Goddess said:

We all know Justin "Budgets will balance themselves" Trudeau had zero economic ability.  That's the whole reason why he hired Carney.

Agreed, Trudeau had zero economic ability or sense. 

9 minutes ago, Goddess said:

And you're saying he had no influence on Trudeau?  No one followed his advice?

GTFO.

I'm saying that there's a pretty wide chasm of grey area between "he had no influence on Trudeau" and "he was in charge of Trudeau's economy".    🙄

I don't get the impression that Trudeau listened to anyone unless they were telling him what he wanted to hear, and that goes well beyond economic advice.  

[Goddess]

11 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I don't get the impression that Trudeau listened to anyone unless they were telling him what he wanted to hear, and that goes well beyond economic advice.  

Carney is the inventor of Net Zero and you're saying Trudeau didn't listen to him?  The billions of $$ poured into batteries that benefitted Brookfield that all went belly up?  Carney had no hand in that?

Carney wrote an op-ed saying Trudeau should invoke the Emergency Act and freeze bank accounts and de-bank Canadian citizens.  Trudeau didn't listen to that advice?

Trudeau outspent every other PM in Canada's history, ALL UT TOGETHER and Carney is currently blowing that overspending out of the water.  But you think Trudeau wasn't listening to him?

Why do you think Trudeau would hire him on to advice him on everything economy and then not listen to anything the guy said?

Too bad we banned straws, you're really grasping for one here.

Edited March 23 by Goddess

[Moonbox]

39 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Carney is the inventor of Net Zero and you're saying Trudeau didn't listen to him?  The billions of $$ poured into batteries that benefitted Brookfield that all went belly up?  Carney had no hand in that?

No, he's not at all the inventor of that...lol.  

39 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Carney wrote an op-ed saying Trudeau should invoke the Emergency Act and freeze bank accounts and de-bank Canadian citizens.  Trudeau didn't listen to that advice?

That op-ed may have said a bunch of things you didn't like, but it didn't even mention the Emergencies Act.  That's a pretty easy fact-check.  It also didn't say anything about de-banking anyone.  

44 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Why do you think Trudeau would hire him on to advice him on everything economy and then not listen to anything the guy said?

Same reason he appoints a Justice Minister and then railroads and dismisses her when she doesn't tow the line.  🙃

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

No, he's not at all the inventor of that...lol.  

That op-ed may have said a bunch of things you didn't like, but it didn't even mention the Emergencies Act.  That's a pretty easy fact-check.  It also didn't say anything about de-banking anyone.  

Same reason he appoints a Justice Minister and then railroads and dismisses her when she doesn't tow the line.  🙃

That's a lot of twisting and turning to try and convince yourself that Carney, as Trudeau's special advisor on the economy since 2020, had no influence over Trudeau.

Especially in light of the fact that he's still implementing the same types of policies and economic practices that Trudeau was.

Yet, you claim Trudeau wasn't listening to him back then.

Do another back flip!  So entertaining watching you guys twist yourself into pretzels to distance Carney from Trudeau. 🤪

[Reg Volk]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

So sad you cannot accept factual information LOL

"AI Overview

Algoma Steel has announced the permanent closure of its coke-making and blast furnace operations in Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario,to be completed in early 2026, marking a shift to electric arc furnace (EAF) steelmaking."

Sad that the horrid Carney cultists keep making excuses for this disgusting and evil Liberal government. Baby boomers - the dumbest and most entitled generation this country has ever produced. 🙄 

15 minutes ago, Goddess said:

That's a lot of twisting and turning to try and convince yourself that Carney, as Trudeau's special advisor on the economy since 2020, had no influence over Trudeau.

Especially in light of the fact that he's still implementing the same types of policies and economic practices that Trudeau was.

Yet, you claim Trudeau wasn't listening to him back then.

Do another back flip!  So entertaining watching you guys twist yourself into pretzels to distance Carney from Trudeau. 🤪

Carney is Turdeau 2.0. Just disgusting. 

[ExFlyer]

49 minutes ago, Reg Volk said:

Sad that the horrid Carney cultists keep making excuses for this disgusting and evil Liberal government. Baby boomers - the dumbest and most entitled generation this country has ever produced. 🙄 

Carney is Turdeau 2.0. Just disgusting. 

Awww poor baby...things not going your way? LOL

Sad the facts get in the way of your wishes LOL

[herbie]

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

That's a lot of twisting and turning to try and convince yourself that Carney, as Trudeau's special advisor on the economy since 2020, had no influence over Trudeau.

Nobody said he had no influence.  The question is how much.  You don't seem to understand the concept of "advisor".  I do financial planning for a living.  One of the key features of the role is that clients get to choose the advice they follow.  Some of them follow most of your advice.  Some of them follow only some of it.  Some of them follow almost none of it merely pay you to bounce ideas off of. 

You've decided that Carney was effectively in control of Trudeau's fiscal mismanagement because it suits your purposes, not because it's based on any real knowledge.  We can tell just by your last post how misinformed and conflated your understanding of his role in the Liberal government was.  

8 minutes ago, herbie said:

I don't actually believe this math.  I suspect if the election was held in the next few months the results wouldn't look anywhere near that good for the Liberals.  

[Reg Volk]

29 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Awww poor baby...things not going your way? LOL

Sad the facts get in the way of your wishes LOL

What facts? Algoma closing is a national disgrace. Carney just plain sucks. If this had happened while the Conservatives were in power the Elbowzo Carney cultists would be screaming like the grey-haired gullible man-babies they are, but because their deity is in power its "nothing to see here". Just disgusting. 

Grandkids- at Easter dinner please ask your Elbows up moreon grandpa why he hates you. 

 

[herbie]

14 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Nobody said he had no influence.  The question is how much.  You don't seem to understand the concept of "advisor".  I do financial planning for a living.  One of the key features of the role is that clients get to choose the advice they follow.  Some of them follow most of your advice.  Some of them follow only some of it.  Some of them follow almost none of it merely pay you to bounce ideas off of. 

You've decided that Carney was effectively in control of Trudeau's fiscal mismanagement because it suits your purposes, not because it's based on any real knowledge.  We can tell just by your last post how misinformed and conflated your understanding of his role in the Liberal government was.  

I don't actually believe this math.  I suspect if the election was held in the next few months the results wouldn't look anywhere near that good for the Liberals.  

Neither do I, but it's as off as claiming we're "over" Carney is.

It was on Facebook, it must be true!

[Reg Volk]

10 minutes ago, herbie said:

Neither do I, but it's as off as claiming we're "over" Carney is.

It was on Facebook, it must be true!

But why wouldn't most except the dumbest boomers be over Carney and his cultists.  The Liberals have been a disease for 11 years. Carney lied. He has no plan, other than to use the CBC to continue scaring the old gullible fools in this country.

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

You've decided that Carney was effectively in control of Trudeau's fiscal mismanagement because it suits your purposes, not because it's based on any real knowledge. 

No.  I never once said he was in control.

I said he advised and Trudeau followed.  I know this because he's currently doing all the things he advised Trudeau to do AND what he did in the UK - high tax, high spending, print money, grab control, crack down on citizens, unlimited expense accounts with no accountability for tax dollars, institute Net Zero policies and "investments", stifle all industry in the name of the green god.

You're the one saying Trudeau didn't listen to him.

The Trudeau Liberals were well on the way to destroying Canada and all your vote did was hand the keys over to the Carney Liberals, which consist of all the Trudeau Liberals minus Trudeau, to "Finish it."

 

Edited March 23 by Goddess

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Goddess said:

On a personal level, I think they see it, they must, it's so basic - if you continually overspend, waste your money and give all your money away, eventually you go bankrupt.

For some reason, on a governmental level, they think this doesn't happen and that it's a GOOD thing.

I ran my own business and am running a business for someone else now, so this is obvious to me.

Have these people never ran a business or budgeted for their own needs?

There are basic accounting practices and now this Liberal government wants to deviate from standard, internationally accepted accounting practices.  Not one Liberal supporter has any concern about this.

The only thing I can think is that these people are just incredibly stoopid and gullible.

First you have to remember they are masters at self delusion. 

But when i ask liberals and those on the left point blank about just that kind of question you get answers like "it's 'investing' in our future" and "it's normal, all countries do this" and "a country's books and finance is NOT the same as a persons" etc etc. 

But there's never any foundation to those statements. What's the rate of return we've been getting on those 'investments',  How does the fact that lots of countries do it change the fact it's bad,  how is different in a meaningful way?

They've just convinced themselves that this is what gov'ts do and nothing bad ever happens.  I mean so what if we over spend it's not like we have to pay it back.....   this is how they think. 

I really don't know what to say about that. At least 50 percent of people are below average. 

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

I suspect if the election was held in the next few months the results wouldn't look anywhere near that good for the Liberals.  

I disagree.

Liberal supporters will need to double down to justify them electing these exact same incompetent people - 4 times.  They don't give a sh!t about the economy.  They don't give a sh!t about policy.

They'd rather see Canada burn down than admit they were wrong.

Look at all you Liberal supporters here.  Every damn day.  Supporting, justifying, excusing, denying.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Moonbox said:

He consulted/advised on it.  Of couse you take that to mean he was in charge and making all of the decisions because...well that's comfy self-affirmation.  

So you can't refute it.

At the very least it is absolutely legitimate to say that a large part of Trudeau's fiscal policy and some of his other policies were formed based on advice received from Carney.

And we're already seeing some of the same thinking reflected in Carney's own policy. Such as GST rebates and the like

Of course you want to pretend that he had no influence and wasn't involved in all because... well that's comfy self delusion

[herbie]

46 minutes ago, Reg Volk said:

But why wouldn't most except the dumbest boomers be over Carney and his cultists.  The Liberals have been a disease for 11 years. Carney lied. He has no plan, other than to use the CBC to continue scaring the old gullible fools in this country

Because most people have a basic understanding of how the free market economy works, what the govt can and can't do and aren't so brainwashed with ideological simplisms they can still see with their own eyes.
And can remember how nothing got better when the Tories were in power. And smart enough to understand cutting taxes won't get more doctors, build hospitals, buy more MRIs or lower grocery prices.

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I disagree.

Liberal supporters will need to double down to justify them electing these exact same incompetent people - 4 times.  They don't give a sh!t about the economy.  They don't give a sh!t about policy.

They'd rather see Canada burn down than admit they were wrong.

Look at all you Liberal supporters here.  Every damn day.  Supporting, justifying, excusing, denying.

I think what we might see is a lot of them staying at home, actually. Saying one thing to upholster is fine, but the reality is I think they know that carney is underperforming.  They're not ready to vote for PP but i think that a lot of them might not vote at all. And i think a lot of the undecided or soft vote may decide maybe it's worth giving PP a chance. 

You never know.  Campaigns matter, and this time carney would be campaigning against his own track record. No more "i just got here".

It could really go either way

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It could really go either way

You have more faith in Canadians than I do, then.

I'm sure the Libs will again come up with some new boogeyman to scare the gullible, depends-wearing crowd.  They could even recycle "The Americans have tanks at our borders!" thing again, I mean - most of the Liberal supporters on this forum are STILL pooping their pants over that.

There's no money left in the middle class - Liberal Party needs that boomer money & assets to keep the spending spree going.  No way they're giving that up.

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, Goddess said:

You have more faith in Canadians than I do, then.

I just have faith and Canadians to do the unexpected. Trudeau thought he had a majority locked in when he went to the polls during covid and that didn't pan out.  

But I do know that you can never be sure and that campaigns matter.

18 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I'm sure the Libs will again come up with some new boogeyman to scare the gullible, depends-wearing crowd. 

I have a little doubt they will try We're at the very least try to recreate the trump threat.

And that may work. On the other hand they may very well come to the realization that he is failing and be desperate enough to give Poilievre a chance just to try something different.

Canadians are very weird and frequently surprised the snot out of people at the polls. Maybe Canadians double down and give him a supermajority, or maybe it goes the other way and they just don't show up to vote for him and he gets a week or minority or possibly loses the minority too poilievre.

And in a week the end of people have a new leader. I don't think they're going to make a good choice but you never know how that's going to affect the puzzle

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, Goddess said:

Have these people never ran a business or budgeted for their own needs?

Doesn't everyone?

I was incorporated for 20 years, and tracking and planning budgets using spreadsheets 30 years ago. I was responsible for budgets totalling over half a million dollars to run 4-5 crews working out in the bush.

Now I'm living the dream. Imagine that, an old lefty who owned a business and can use a spreadsheet living the dream.

Does it defy everything you think you know or does it just make me more dangerous?

Bwahahahaha!

[herbie]

2 hours ago, Reg Volk said:

But why wouldn't most except the dumbest boomers

You say that as if you're dumb enough to think boomers in an insult. Show us more of your limited mental capacity.

Edited March 24 by herbie

[Nefarious Banana]

27 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I was incorporated for 20 years, and tracking and planning budgets using spreadsheets 30 years ago. I was responsible for budgets totalling over half a million dollars to run 4-5 crews working out in the bush.

Now I'm living the dream. Imagine that, an old lefty who owned a business and can use a spreadsheet living the dream.

Does it defy everything you think you know or does it just make me more dangerous?

Just curious . . . what were those 'bush crews' doing?

[Legato]

30 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Just curious . . . what were those 'bush crews' doing?

Porn movies.