Canadians Are Already Over Carney

[John Johnston]

29 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I don't know what grade I've give him... and that's not dodging the question.  We pay for groceries like everyone else and know how expensive it is but honestly haven't dove into all the why's and how's too deeply.  A quick look though says climate change, higher corporate profits and supply chain inefficiencies are key drivers.  Throw in our reliance on imports with a weaker dollar, tariffs, along with rising energy, transportation and labour costs and next thing you know things, including food cost a lot more.  Makes sense right...  How much of that would you put on Carney?

Okay your turn.  Explain how the industrial carbon tax increases food inflation.

And now the price of fertilizer, diesel, plastic among a thousand or so other products are now 30& higher than three weeks ago thanks to the Orange Plague, so ya, food prices are going to spike bigly. And that is not because of Carney. 

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

And our food inflation shows the results.  The carbon tax is still alive and well and making life unaffordable for Canadians

Forgot to mention...  don't forget to send the back-up you have for Carney's $1B expense summary from last year.  You can include it along with your summary of how the industrial carbon tax impacts food inflation if easier 👍

[LinkSoul60]

2 minutes ago, John Johnston said:

And now the price of fertilizer, diesel, plastic among a thousand or so other products are now 30& higher than three weeks ago thanks to the Orange Plague, so ya, food prices are going to spike bigly. And that is not because of Carney. 

JJ, everything is because of the liberals and Carney.  Not sure how but I have little doubt that someone here will spin this war his way sooner or later.  At this moment though, X followers everywhere are searching for that info.

[John Johnston]

1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said:

JJ, everything is because of the liberals and Carney.  Not sure how but I have little doubt that someone here will spin this war his way sooner or later.  At this moment though, X followers everywhere are searching for that info.

Yep. Pretzel Logic, everyday, all the time... 

[John Johnston]

4 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

JJ, everything is because of the liberals and Carney.  Not sure how but I have little doubt that someone here will spin this war his way sooner or later.  At this moment though, X followers everywhere are searching for that info.

Today's Modern Conservative Party's hallmark is Grievance, Entitlement and Victimhood. It is their whole card. 

[ironstone]

43 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Okay your turn.  Explain how the industrial carbon tax increases food inflation.

In Canada, the industrial carbon tax is mainly paid by large industrial emitters in sectors such as oil and gas, mining, manufacturing, and electricity generation.

Key Aspects
Who Pays the Tax:
Large companies are subject to the carbon price on their greenhouse gas emissions, primarily those exceeding specific thresholds.
Cost Pass-Through:
Many of these companies do pass on the costs of the carbon tax to consumers by increasing prices for goods and services. This is especially common in industries that are heavily emissions-intensive, as they seek to maintain profit margins without absorbing the full weight of the tax.
Studies have shown that consumers may see higher prices for products, such as gasoline, electricity, and manufactured goods, as companies adjust their pricing strategies to account for increased operational costs.
Considerations
Economic Impact: The extent to which costs are passed on can vary. Companies facing significant competition may choose to absorb some of the tax to remain competitive, while others in less competitive markets might pass on the full cost.

How often do you think taxes like this are absorbed at the source and not passed on down to the end of the line, namely the consumers?

 

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, John Johnston said:

Today's Modern Conservative Party's hallmark is Grievance, Entitlement and Victimhood. It is their whole card. 

They got that from their party leader.  He's still a year behind but to his credit is trying to pivot into 2026.  It's only late March so he's still got time.  His loyal followers out here....not sure if they can pivot either.  Seem to be stuck on some sort hamster wheel.

[John Johnston]

4 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

They got that from their party leader.  He's still a year behind but to his credit is trying to pivot into 2026.  It's only late March so he's still got time.  His loyal followers out here....not sure if they can pivot either.  Seem to be stuck on some sort hamster wheel.

I miss the Progressive Conservative Party of years gone by from the the late 70's, early 80's. I do not recognize todays party. Seems to me the Manning Effect casts a long shadow. 

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Now explain the industrial carbon tax impact on that food inflation.

I doubt you are capable of understanding how or even of assimilating any information other than what is already in your brain, but basically - the tax exerts influence upstream of the supply chain and is passed down to consumers at the grocery store.

It affects mainly poor people and vulnerable communities, so who gives a sh!t, amiright?

[LinkSoul60]

17 minutes ago, John Johnston said:

I miss the Progressive Conservative Party of years gone by from the the late 70's, early 80's. I do not recognize todays party. Seems to me the Manning Effect casts a long shadow. 

Honestly, there is not a lot of anything that reminds me of the 70' or 80's...politically (which wasn't top of mind for me then) our how the world has changed socially.  This last decade or so has got nasty in how people view right and left positions and at some point it's going to have a larger impact.  On a bit of a tangent now but..... throw in how social media has changed our lives, the soon to be larger impact of AI, and the continued wealth disparity we see and a civil war wouldn't surprise me at all.  

[John Johnston]

1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Honestly, there is not a lot of anything that reminds me of the 70' or 80's...politically (which wasn't top of mind for me then) our how the world has changed socially.  This last decade or so has got nasty in how people view right and left positions and at some point it's going to have a larger impact.  On a bit of a tangent now but..... throw in how social media has changed our lives, the soon to be larger impact of AI, and the continued wealth disparity we see and a civil war wouldn't surprise me at all.  

Agreed. I think one the of things that has the most harm is Social Media. 

[Goddess]

To recap:

In the last week, the US has

• thwarted 2 mass shootings at Canadian schools
• sent USAF fighter planes to escort 2 flights bound for Montreal, due to security concerns
• DOJ seized Iranian intelligence websites, revealing they had a $250,000 bounty on Goldie Ghamari, to have her literally beheaded at her Ottawa home.  Ghamari is a former Ontario politician, fired by Doug Ford in 2024 for being "Islamophobic" because she was warning about the presence of IRGC in Canada.

Three instances where, if it weren't for Canada's mortal enemy (according to Carney and Lib supporters) averted potential tragedy in Canada.

[LinkSoul60]

13 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I doubt you are capable of understanding how or even of assimilating any information other than what is already in your brain, but basically - the tax exerts influence upstream of the supply chain and is passed down to consumers at the grocery store.

It affects mainly poor people and vulnerable communities, so who gives a sh!t, amiright?

I'm not capable because I don't subscribe to X.  Come on now....

What if I said the industrial carbon tax adds less than 1% to our cost of food.  Would you believe that?

And why would you assume I don't care about people of low or no income and vulnerable communities?  

[LinkSoul60]

4 minutes ago, John Johnston said:

Agreed. I think one the of things that has the most harm is Social Media. 

Absolutely it has and I'm in the corner of similar bans here that Australia did for banning persons under 16 from most social platforms.  The biggest concern though (my 2 cents).... wealth inequality.  Those who have wealth continue to grow that and those who don't continue to go backwards.  It's going to blow up at some point in the masses.  

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said:

What if I said the industrial carbon tax adds less than 1% to our cost of food.  Would you believe that?

I wouldn't believe it because I know that figure came from a Liberal Party paid-for report.

I'm going to go with multiple economists who say it does.  Also, it's just common sense - tax everything upstream of the food supply and it increases food prices.

4 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

And why would you assume I don't care about people of low or no income and vulnerable communities?

You're a Liberal.  

You vote for sending money to transgender bean farmers in the Congo, while 25% of our own people can't afford to eat.

You vote for rapists and pedos to be out on the street.

You hold the Liberal government accountable for nothing.

Poor and vulnerable people don't even make it onto your radar.

[ironstone]

9 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Absolutely it has and I'm in the corner of similar bans here that Australia did for banning persons under 16 from most social platforms.  The biggest concern though (my 2 cents).... wealth inequality.  Those who have wealth continue to grow that and those who don't continue to go backwards.  It's going to blow up at some point in the masses.  

You stand behind Mark Carney and his policies while at the same time you complain about wealth inequality in Canada?

[John Johnston]

10 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I wouldn't believe it because I know that figure came from a Liberal Party paid-for report.

I'm going to go with multiple economists who say it does.  Also, it's just common sense - tax everything upstream of the food supply and it increases food prices.

You're a Liberal.  

You vote for sending money to transgender bean farmers in the Congo, while 25% of our own people can't afford to eat.

You vote for rapists and pedos to be out on the street.

You hold the Liberal government accountable for nothing.

Poor and vulnerable people don't even make it onto your radar.

What in Gawds name are you talking about? 🙄

[Goddess]

19 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I'm not capable because I don't subscribe to X.

Ya, we know.  You get your boomer slop from CBC  🤣

[Legato]

1 minute ago, John Johnston said:

What in Gawds name are you talking about? 🙄

Something that is well beyond your capabilities. But you already knew that.

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

I wouldn't believe it because I know that figure came from a Liberal Party paid-for report.

I'm going to go with multiple economists who say it does.  Also, it's just common sense - tax everything upstream of the food supply and it increases food prices.

What if the liberals had an X platform...more believable?

Cite those economists when you can.  Interested to see how their perspectives differ.

5 minutes ago, Goddess said:

You're a Liberal.  

You vote for sending money to transgender bean farmers in the Congo, while 25% of our own people can't afford to eat.

You vote for rapists and pedos to be out on the street.

You hold the Liberal government accountable for nothing.

Poor and vulnerable people don't even make it onto your radar.

No, I didn't vote for all that and the poor and vulnerable have always been on my radar.  A liberal minded person can't have empathy or provide charitable donations?

Let me save you some time on X  or Facebook though.  If something doesn't make sense let me know;

Industrial carbon pricing systems are Canada’s most important policy lever for cutting carbon pollution and creating a competitive clean economy with low costs for businesses and big incentives for investment in low-carbon projects. These systems are also designed to cost next to nothing for Canadian consumers. 

The Canadian Climate Institute has done extensive research and modelling quantifying the effects of this policy. This fact sheet outlines how and why industrial carbon pricing has virtually no impact on the day-to-day expenses of average Canadians and keeps costs low for businesses: 

1. Industrial carbon pricing costs Canadian consumers next to nothing—and in some cases even provides benefits.
   • Our research shows that industrial carbon pricing systems have an impact of around zero per cent on household consumption, a measure of income, in 2025. These costs are projected to remain very low and reduce consumption by just a tenth of one per cent by 2030.
   • In some cases, industrial carbon pricing—also called large-emitter trading systems—provides small net benefits for consumers, largely because of provisions in Alberta’s system that can reduce the cost of electricity
   •  
   • Industrial carbon pricing applies to goods sold on international markets where most price increases aren’t passed on to consumers.
     • Most companies that participate in industrial carbon pricing systems sell a significant portion of their products in other countries. 
     • About 50 per cent of the output of Canada’s large emitters is exported, and some industries export much more, which lowers costs on consumers. For example, the oil sands send closer to 80 per cent of production abroad. 
     • In addition, these exported products are sold on global commodity markets, which set the price paid and further limits the amount passed on to consumers.
   • Industrial carbon pricing has essentially no impact on the price of food and the agricultural sector. 
     • Our modelling, done in partnership with Navius Research for the Independent Assessment of Carbon Pricing Systemsshows that industrial carbon pricing has near zero overall impact on households’ spending on food. 
     • The same analysis projects that the cumulative GDP impact on the agricultural sector would be 0.08 per cent by 2030.
     • Farmers don’t directly pay the industrial carbon price and there are almost no costs to pass through the supply chain on to consumers. 
   • Costs for consumers are virtually nothing because industrial goods have only a small impact on the price of finished consumer products.
     • Industrial carbon pricing does not apply directly to individual consumers—only to the largest emitters of greenhouse gases in the country, like oil sands facilities, steel mills, and cement plants. 
     • Industrial carbon pricing has modest or negligible increases in the cost of industrial goods such as steel, which represent only a small portion of the final cost of consumer products people buy in Canada.
     • For example, research finds that industrial carbon pricing that applies to the highest emitting steel plants in the country would still only add $0.12 to the cost of a refrigerator, and under $3 to the cost of a pickup truck.  
   • Industrial carbon pricing is low-cost for businesses, which also limits costs passed on to consumers.
     • Industrial carbon pricing is designed to contain costs because industries only pay for emissions that exceed a specified limit, and if they outperform the limit they make money by selling credits for cash.
     • Data shows that industrial carbon pricing currently only adds an average of 9 cents per barrel to oil sands producer costs. 
     • Our research shows that if industrial carbon pricing is strengthened in line with the Canada-Alberta MOU, oil sands producers would still only be paying 50 cents per barrel in 2030—roughly the cost of a Timbit, after inflation is factored in.
     • Industrial carbon pricing imposes much lower costs on total emissions than consumer carbon pricing, around $10 or less per tonne of emissions against a carbon price of $95 per tonne.

 

 

[John Johnston]

1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said:

What if the liberals had an X platform...more believable?

Cite those economists when you can.  Interested to see how their perspectives differ.

No, I didn't vote for all that and the poor and vulnerable have always been on my radar.  A liberal minded person can't have empathy or provide charitable donations?

Let me save you some time on X  or Facebook though.  If something doesn't make sense let me know;

 

Industrial carbon pricing systems are Canada’s most important policy lever for cutting carbon pollution and creating a competitive clean economy with low costs for businesses and big incentives for investment in low-carbon projects. These systems are also designed to cost next to nothing for Canadian consumers. 

The Canadian Climate Institute has done extensive research and modelling quantifying the effects of this policy. This fact sheet outlines how and why industrial carbon pricing has virtually no impact on the day-to-day expenses of average Canadians and keeps costs low for businesses: 

1. Industrial carbon pricing costs Canadian consumers next to nothing—and in some cases even provides benefits.
   • Our research shows that industrial carbon pricing systems have an impact of around zero per cent on household consumption, a measure of income, in 2025. These costs are projected to remain very low and reduce consumption by just a tenth of one per cent by 2030.
   • In some cases, industrial carbon pricing—also called large-emitter trading systems—provides small net benefits for consumers, largely because of provisions in Alberta’s system that can reduce the cost of electricity
   •  
   • Industrial carbon pricing applies to goods sold on international markets where most price increases aren’t passed on to consumers.
     • Most companies that participate in industrial carbon pricing systems sell a significant portion of their products in other countries. 
     • About 50 per cent of the output of Canada’s large emitters is exported, and some industries export much more, which lowers costs on consumers. For example, the oil sands send closer to 80 per cent of production abroad. 
     • In addition, these exported products are sold on global commodity markets, which set the price paid and further limits the amount passed on to consumers.
   •  
   • Industrial carbon pricing has essentially no impact on the price of food and the agricultural sector. 
     • Our modelling, done in partnership with Navius Research for the Independent Assessment of Carbon Pricing Systemsshows that industrial carbon pricing has near zero overall impact on households’ spending on food. 
     • The same analysis projects that the cumulative GDP impact on the agricultural sector would be 0.08 per cent by 2030.
     • Farmers don’t directly pay the industrial carbon price and there are almost no costs to pass through the supply chain on to consumers. 
   •  
   • Costs for consumers are virtually nothing because industrial goods have only a small impact on the price of finished consumer products.
     • Industrial carbon pricing does not apply directly to individual consumers—only to the largest emitters of greenhouse gases in the country, like oil sands facilities, steel mills, and cement plants. 
     • Industrial carbon pricing has modest or negligible increases in the cost of industrial goods such as steel, which represent only a small portion of the final cost of consumer products people buy in Canada.
     • For example, research finds that industrial carbon pricing that applies to the highest emitting steel plants in the country would still only add $0.12 to the cost of a refrigerator, and under $3 to the cost of a pickup truck.  
   •  
   • Industrial carbon pricing is low-cost for businesses, which also limits costs passed on to consumers.
     • Industrial carbon pricing is designed to contain costs because industries only pay for emissions that exceed a specified limit, and if they outperform the limit they make money by selling credits for cash.
     • Data shows that industrial carbon pricing currently only adds an average of 9 cents per barrel to oil sands producer costs. 
     • Our research shows that if industrial carbon pricing is strengthened in line with the Canada-Alberta MOU, oil sands producers would still only be paying 50 cents per barrel in 2030—roughly the cost of a Timbit, after inflation is factored in.
     • Industrial carbon pricing imposes much lower costs on total emissions than consumer carbon pricing, around $10 or less per tonne of emissions against a carbon price of $95 per tonne.

 

 

Thats not Fair! Your making people read and stuff. Very unsportsmanlike. :))

[LinkSoul60]

3 minutes ago, ironstone said:

You stand behind Mark Carney and his policies while at the same time you complain about wealth inequality in Canada?

What are you even talking about....  The government gave lower income persons a tax break last year and is trying to help this year with food-related rebates.

What has he done in policy that has widened the wealth equality gap?  

[LinkSoul60]

10 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Ya, we know.  You get your boomer slop from CBC  🤣

It's proven to be a lot more accurate than where you get your news, wouldn't you agree?  😂

[Legato]

16 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

What are you even talking about....  The government gave lower income persons a tax break last year and is trying to help this year with food-related rebates.

What has he done in policy that has widened the wealth equality gap?  

Based on reports and data from 2025, the income and wealth gap in Canada has reached record highs, with analysis suggesting that policy approaches under the Liberal government, including those associated with Mark Carney, have contributed to this widening disparity. 

Record Income Gap: Statistics Canada reported that the income gap—the difference between the top 40 per cent and bottom 40 per cent of earners—remained at a record high of 48.4 per cent in the second quarter of 2025.

Wealth Disparity: By mid-2025, the wealthiest 20 per cent of Canadian households controlled nearly two-thirds (64.8 per cent) of the country's total net worth.

Policy Criticism: Critics argue that the decision by Prime Minister Mark Carney in March 2025 to cancel a planned increase in the capital gains tax inclusion rate has benefited high-income earners and widened the income gap.

Effect of Economic Policies: Reports indicate that while top earners saw gains through investments, lower-income households relied on temporary government assistance, with the overall economic approach in 2025 failing to tackle, and potentially increasing, income inequality.

Impact of Inflation: The post-pandemic inflation and high interest rates have amplified inequality by benefiting asset owners while squeezing the working class and young, first-time homebuyers.

[ironstone]

1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said:

What are you even talking about....  The government gave lower income persons a tax break last year and is trying to help this year with food-related rebates.

What has he done in policy that has widened the wealth equality gap?  

Have people like Carney and Trudeau gotten much wealthier over the last 10 -11 years than the average person?

Those two progressively making the cost of living for Canadians ever higher and higher during their time running the country while occasionally throwing back small scraps here and there indicates they were part of the problem and not the solution. The increasing reliance on food banks and the increasing number of  homeless people in these last ten years is a rather strong indication that Liberal policies are widening the wealth equality gap and making things worse.

For Trudeau, estimates of his dramatic rise in personal wealth from 2015 to the present vary quite a bit. Some sources say he went from $4 million to $15 million, others say he is now worth as much as $96 million.

https://www.businessupturn.com/people/justin-trudeau-net-worth-of-the-prime-minister-of-canada/

https://englishxbio.com/justin-trudeau-net-worth/

Either way, it's certain his personal wealth went up dramatically, well beyond his annual salary. Why was he able to massively outperform the usual paltry investments regular people make? The most reasonable explanation is the Nancy Pelosi example if you get my drift.

Carney is also going to massively increase his personal wealth many times over in the years ahead since he directs public policy that he knows will benefit the companies (mostly American) that he has chosen to invest in.