Trudeau government went wild with DEI spending and Carney government still pouring a lot of money into it.

[CDN1]

12 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Whoa dude. You are sounding racist....

Don't know where you grew up but where I lived, both when young and when in the Military, there was a lot of diversity. That is why in 1985 the constitution was amended to ensure we recognized it.

I grew up in Vancouver and there was always a variety of ethnicities and nationalities.

Canada was almost 95% White in the 80s. Look it up and quit f'n gaslighting here.

Edited December 13, 2025 by CDN1

[paxamericana]

44 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

I have been held back from promotion as some person of colour, language or disability was hired even though I was more qualified. I believe that happens not only in the federal departments but in provincial and even municipal hiring as well. 

This is what you get when you spend 50 years talking about rights and nothing else. Freedom bounded by responsibility is the truest form of freedom. Freedom without boundaries is just chaos. It’s time to realign the collective west and talk about our Values!

[ExFlyer]

Just now, paxamericana said:

This is what you get when you spend 50 years talking about rights and nothing else. Freedom bounded by responsibility is the truest form of freedom. Freedom without boundaries is just chaos. It’s time to realign the collective west and talk about our Values!

What does freedom have to do with equality and equity? Are you implying freedom means you should not be treated equally?

Do females, blacks, browns, indigenous, disabled not have the right to be equal?

[ExFlyer]

3 minutes ago, CDN1 said:

Canada was almost 95% White in the 80s. Look it up and quit f'n gaslighting.

Man, you are racist. LOL

OK, I did:

"In the 1980s, Canada remained predominantly European in origin, with British (34%) and French (24%) ancestries being the largest groups, but diversity was growing, with nearly 30% reporting mixed origins and visible minorities (like Black, Chinese, South Asian)"

"Canada's population is increasingly diverse, with major racialized groups (non-European, non-Indigenous) being South Asian (7.1%), Chinese (4.7%), and Black (4.3%) as of the 2021 Census, Total Racialized: 26.3% (over one-quarter of the population)

Seems there were more "racialized" in the 80's than in 2021.

[Zeitgeist]

19 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

This is what you get when you spend 50 years talking about rights and nothing else. Freedom bounded by responsibility is the truest form of freedom. Freedom without boundaries is just chaos. It’s time to realign the collective west and talk about our Values!

I agree that values are the issue.  However, what those values are and what to do about protecting them may not get the consensus that you think.  The main reason I shifted from liberal centre to conservative about 15 years ago was that I got sick of hearing the lies liberals tell themselves and others about who they are and what they believe. Many liberals wouldn’t actually want to live in a society that enacted all of the liberal policies that they claim to support.  The reality is that our society was built on Judeo-Christian values and British Common Law (with Greco-Roman antecedents) and there’s absolutely no guarantee that we would have ended up with the democracy we have without those foundations.

When we bring in millions of people without those core beliefs and with very different cultural practices from our own, the impact can only be destabilizing and challenging to the traditional peoples and cultures.   Not only did we do this on a mass scale on the basis of a belief in “multiculturalism” as implemented by Trudeau Sr., we didn’t build enough infrastructure to absorb the population growth.  Now we have students in our universities and writers in our news rooms who think Christmas is racist and Canada is genocidal.  Our Liberal government under Justin Trudeau pushed and funded and legislated this narrative.  That narrative is still alive and well among the electorate and almost all the policies remain.  

Edited December 13, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[CDN1]

10 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Man, you are racist. LOL

OK, I did:

"In the 1980s, Canada remained predominantly European in origin, with British (34%) and French (24%) ancestries being the largest groups, but diversity was growing, with nearly 30% reporting mixed origins and visible minorities (like Black, Chinese, South Asian)"

"Canada's population is increasingly diverse, with major racialized groups (non-European, non-Indigenous) being South Asian (7.1%), Chinese (4.7%), and Black (4.3%) as of the 2021 Census, Total Racialized: 26.3% (over one-quarter of the population)

Seems there were more "racialized" in the 80's than in 2021.

Sorry. That word doesn't mean anything with younger generations today, as it's pretty much only levied against Whites, while the obscene bent of interracial violence, rapes is against them.

You are clearly retarded for doubling down on such a lie, though. Wow.

Edited December 13, 2025 by CDN1

[ExFlyer]

3 minutes ago, CDN1 said:

Sorry. That word doesn't mean anything with younger generations today, as it's pretty much only levied against Whites, while the obscene bent of interracial violence, rapes is against them.

You are clearly retarded for doubling down on such a lie, though. Wow.

Wow... racist and demeaning..... you fit them all 

Don't ya just hate it when you are slapped in the face with facts  HA HA HA

Proud boy are ya?? LOL

[Zeitgeist]

13 minutes ago, CDN1 said:

Sorry. That word doesn't mean anything with younger generations today, as it's pretty much only levied against Whites, while the obscene bent of interracial violence, rapes is against them.

You are clearly retarded for doubling down on such a lie, though. Wow.

You’re not wrong in the sense that accusations of racism are thrown around so loosely on one hand and dismissed on the other depending on which identity groups are involved.  There’s also the biological survival instinct that people want to be around people who look and sound like them.  That’s not the same thing as racism.  One can be more at ease at first with people who look and sound like themselves but know that a person’s measure is in how they conduct themselves within their context.  It’s why I can get along swimmingly with people from a different background from my own once we have a conversation and why some people from my own identity group disgust me when they open their mouths.  The point is that it’s not about your ethnic or racial background, certainly not primarily.  However, not all cultures are equally good or healthy, and the reality is that you’re going to get more prevalence of certain cultural beliefs among some identity groups than others.

Edited December 13, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[CDN1]

7 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Wow... racist and demeaning..... you fit them all 

Don't ya just hate it when you are slapped in the face with facts  HA HA HA

Proud boy are ya?? LOL

Okay,.boomer. lol That actuary table is coming due, traitors won't be missed.

 

 

Edited December 13, 2025 by CDN1

[suds]

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

n 2023, the Treasury Board of Canada’s program spending on diversity, equity and inclusion was roughly 100 times what it was in 2016.

The obvious question is how much is too much. 100 times seems extremely excessive to me.

[ExFlyer]

30 minutes ago, CDN1 said:

Okay,.boomer. lol That actuary table is coming due, traitors won't be missed.

 

 

Yup...you are a racist . 

Have a great day

[herbie]

2 hours ago, CDN1 said:

Canada was almost 95% White in the 80s. Look it up and quit f'n gaslighting here.

Just make up shit and present it as fact and accuse the other person of gaslighting? Canada wasn't 95% white in the 1960s let alone the 1980s. Nice try, liar.
Typical argument by racists that DEI is there to discriminate against 'white people' that they always try to perpetuate as truth. It was put in place to counter the real problem that of two existing equal candidates, the person of colour or disability was not the one hired, even in communities they were a major proportion of.

Much as these scum regret, there's no going back to the days of 2 female MPa. one black one and 0 natives. Where all your servers were 20 yr old girls with their tits out and WalMart staff were all like that of Eatons in 1960.

There is less need for DEI rules these days than there was and hopefully no need in another 10 years or so. Most people gave grown out of their ignorance.

[CDN1]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Just make up shit and present it as fact and accuse the other person of gaslighting? Canada wasn't 95% white in the 1960s let alone the 1980s. Nice try, liar.
Typical argument by racists that DEI is there to discriminate against 'white people' that they always try to perpetuate as truth. It was put in place to counter the real problem that of two existing equal candidates, the person of colour or disability was not the one hired, even in communities they were a major proportion of.

Much as these scum regret, there's no going back to the days of 2 female MPa. one black one and 0 natives. Where all your servers were 20 yr old girls with their tits out and WalMart staff were all like that of Eatons in 1960.

There is less need for DEI rules these days than there was and hopefully no need in another 10 years or so. Most people gave grown out of their ignorance.

That's cope. Meet the new generation. 

 

 

[suds]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Just make up shit and present it as fact and accuse the other person of gaslighting? Canada wasn't 95% white in the 1960s let alone the 1980s.

I went to public school and high school in the late 50's and 60's. The yearbook I still have from 1965 shows maybe one or two non-white kids. It's hard to tell. In all the other years I don't recall there being more than a few either. Of course this is just young kids and teenagers. The first time I saw a black person was when we took a drive to the states when I was about 10 or so. But again, this is the world view from the eyes of a 10 year old.

[herbie]

And there were no Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Pakistani or Native kids in your school, eh? Yeah there were only 2 black kids in mine. But you must've been schooled on a different planet.

[CdnFox]

17 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Some of the stupidest accusations you have ever come up with LOL

It's actually true.  I get that you think facts and truth are stupid tho   You ARE a liberal after all

[CdnFox]

14 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

I am not sure why you are "surprised", "shocked" or even "upset" at the governments stand on this. It has been Canada's policy since  "Canada's core equality rights came into effect with Section 15 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms on April 17, 1985"

There is nothing new about this all.

As for "the public service should reflect the diversity of Canada,", well, you have not been keeping up but that has been government policy for decades. I worked there and saw it happening.

It's the spending.

Literally billions and billions and billions of dollars spent on this. Not just a policy, but now an industry.

The fact that we had something before Doesn't mean that it isn't out of control now. We had immigration before but then the liberals allowed it to get out of control. We had foreign workers before but the liberals allowed that to get out of control. We had deficits before but the liberals have allowed that to get out of control

Dei has gotten vastly out of control and the amount spent on it is absolutely criminally insane

12 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Do females, blacks, browns, indigenous, disabled not have the right to be equal?

They are equal. They've been equal under the law for decades now.

We're not talking about equality, we're talking about something else.

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

And there were no Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Pakistani or Native kids in your school, eh? Yeah there were only 2 black kids in mine. But you must've been schooled on a different planet.

You and Exflyer have a liberal cult mentality.  Facts do not matter to you.

[ExFlyer]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It's actually true.  I get that you think facts and truth are stupid tho   You ARE a liberal after all

More insults...seems that is all you can do:)

Repeat ...Pisses you off eh?? LOL LOL LOL

Awww... poor baby Loser still crying about LOSING..

Move on LOSER HA HA HA

[ExFlyer]

14 hours ago, suds said:

I went to public school and high school in the late 50's and 60's. The yearbook I still have from 1965 shows maybe one or two non-white kids. It's hard to tell. In all the other years I don't recall there being more than a few either. Of course this is just young kids and teenagers. The first time I saw a black person was when we took a drive to the states when I was about 10 or so. But again, this is the world view from the eyes of a 10 year old.

I think it all depends what city and neighbourhood you lived in.

I will admit we were quite segregated back then (as was the US) but, we still had a lot of "minorities".

[I am Groot]

23 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Yup. 

It has been using both for decades. I was in the Military in the 70's and there was both being used. Standards were lowered to ensure folks got in. Same went for Public Service entry.

All Provinces have the same processes and procedures and the federal law is applied throughout Canada.

Which is inexecusable. It's open racial and gender hiring preferences. Which we have been told is bad. Except when the public sector does it.

23 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Executive bonuses are not tied to equality and equity.

They are in the departments where I know executives. Health Canada and Indigenous Services Canada. The RCMP did as of several years ago. Don't have up to date info.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Which is inexecusable. It's open racial and gender hiring preferences. Which we have been told is bad. Except when the public sector does it.

They are in the departments where I know executives. Health Canada and Indigenous Services Canada. The RCMP did as of several years ago. Don't have up to date info.

I agree but standards for almost every profession, trade and even education graduation have lowered. We have become a society where no one fails. Participation trophy's are the norm.

I worked in government and worked with and became close friends with a number  of executives and the annual bonus was always a topic...hiring was not at their level and was always at a lower level. I did a lot of the hiring in the branch in my department. More often than not, names and personal information was not included in the evaluation sheets.

Having said that, when applicants were narrowed down and the highest qualified were selected...HR has a lot to say.

My complaint was the claims in the OP's post. If there was spending, it was not DEI designated or related but there was a tremendous amount of public service hiring under Trudeaus reign, especially during COVID and thereafter. That is why they are cutting the PS now.. 

Edited December 14, 2025 by ExFlyer

[eyeball]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

They are equal. They've been equal under the law for decades now.

We're not talking about equality, we're talking about something else.

That would be better equality within society not just under the law. That it took centuries for females, blacks, browns, indigenous, disabled etc to acquire equality under the law probably explains why its taking decades to make progress elsewhere.

Edited December 14, 2025 by eyeball

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

That would be better equality within society not just under the law. That it took centuries for females, blacks, browns, indigenous, disabled etc to acquire equality under the law probably explains why its taking decades to make progress elsewhere.

Siblings do not perform equally in anything. Even if they both enter the same profession, one will be better.

Price's Law says that in any human endeavor, 10% of those involved will perform half the work/make half the sales/score half the goals/sell half the books or records. 

In all of human history, no two people have ever performed or succeeded equally. Different cultures create different wants, needs, and expertise. Some peoples have always outperformed others.

If the Left insists, as it does, that blacks are a separate group, that indigenous are a separate group, then you have to allow for them having separate cultural wants and needs, different priorities, different success rates. The insistence on equal results is like taking a bunch of scores away from the NHL high scorers and giving them to the low scorers so that things are equal. Which, naturally, discourages the high scorers from scoring as much.

Blacks and whites are not equal groups. They have different median ages, and since the majority of blacks are immigrants, different cultural values/views, and education levels. Not to mention different language skills and cultural knowledge. The same goes for other minorities, including the indigenous, the bulk of whom grew up on reserves, with, once again, different cultures and behaviour patterns. 

The idea that everyone should have the same economic and social success and outcomes is a Communist concept with no basis in reality.

[herbie]

12 hours ago, blackbird said:

You and Exflyer have a liberal cult mentality.  Facts do not matter to you.

Far from it. You people seem to have false memories of a white paradise. Or just miss the days of mostly white people so we had to discriminate among each other?
They're gone, and not coming back. Deal with it.

Oh wait, you're a Can't-servative, can't deal with any change whatsoever.......