Carney Took The Bait

[Goddess]

16 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

This is only a secondary benefit, and was never intended to be a longer term revenue stream.   Trump's tariffs are really the only tool he has to quickly confront the neoliberal globalization that has gutted manufacturing and domestic supply chains in many nations.   It is a crude, blunt instrument that tears down the good with the bad, hoping to emerge better on the other side.

I've been willing to sit back and watch Trump tariff away at every other country because I read quite a bit of what his strategy is and was hoping it would work out, albeit with some growing pains.

But I'm kind of getting to the point of wondering how bankrupting other countries benefits US in the long run?  It's like Trump is sitting at a Monopoly board with other countries and just sweeps all the properties, hotels and homes to himself and says "This all belongs to me now."

It's a nice thought for the American citizens to get the biggest end of the stick every single time, but at some point, all the other players at the Monopoly board and going to say "F%#@K this guy" and start another game themselves.

Like I say, bankrupting and short-shrifting every other country in favour of the US......who is going to buy your USA sh!t when we're all broke?

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

He understands perfectly, it’s Trump who doesn’t understand. 

Then why is the US economy growing in our shrinking?

Me thinks it is not trump who has the comprehension problem here

[eyeball]

16 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Trump's tariffs are really the only tool he has to quickly confront the neoliberal globalization that has gutted manufacturing and domestic supply chains in many nations.   It is a crude, blunt instrument that tears down the good with the bad, hoping to emerge better on the other side.

I could swear I heard the same explanation when neoconservatives tried to confront whatever the fùck it was getting up their butts.

Swapping out the pendulum for a wrecking ball seems dumb.

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Then why is the US economy growing in our shrinking?

How do know what the US economy is doing when the official agencies responsible for collecting and reporting economic data are shut down? You're just guessing and hoping its doing better than ours.

[CdnFox]

Just now, eyeball said:

How do know what the US economy is doing when the official agencies responsible for collecting and reporting economic data are shut down?

Because they reported before they shut down  

I'm already aware that you don't know how math works. I'm disappointed to discover you don't know how time works as well.

The information available is that the US did a bit over 3% in the second quarter and is doing a bit under 3% for the third quarter averaging to just slightly over 3% for those two quarters. That is pretty solid growth. Not miraculous but good solid growth.

Our second quarter saw us go into the negative and we barely barely squeaked by into the positive for the third quarter. Between the two I believe we're still in the negative.

The US is doing well, we're at the very bottom of the G7 and it's not close.

So there you go

[eyeball]

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The US is doing well, we're at the very bottom....

...he cheered!

[CdnFox]

Just now, eyeball said:

...he cheered!

Why would I cheer? As always you project, you're the kind of person that would rather see Canada fail than have your belief system proven wrong so you think that everybody else is the same. Just because you would happily cheer if the roles were reversed doesn't mean that I do.

I was in fact complaining and pointing out that we have a problem.

You were the one cheering for the last decade while the liberals created the very problems we're facing right now and have led to Canada down the path have no future for our kids had a weaker economy, higher crime, lack of international respect, all the good things we're enjoying right now

It only gives me pleasure to be right when people listen because then good things happen and I'm happy. It does mean no good to be right when losers like you continue to vote for the liberals and we get what we have now. Disaster

[eyeball]

Just now, CdnFox said:

I was in fact complaining and pointing out that we have a problem.

I was doing that back when you were going thru kindergarten a second time.

[CdnFox]

Just now, eyeball said:

I was doing that back when you were going thru kindergarten a second time.

That would be before you were born. And let's face it the only thing you're complaining about or saying there's a problem with this harper. You absolutely love the liberals and what they were doing. Thought it was great. And anything Justin did wrong was harper's fault anyway according to you

So what you really been doing for most of your life is lying   And we know that  

But the fact is when I said was 100% true. America is doing fine and we are at the absolute bottom of the pile. 

So it would seem that trump understands the impact of tariffs better than you do.

Oh by the way, that inflationary pressure you kept suggesting tariffs would cause? Happened anyway.

Canada's annual inflation rate rose to 2.4% in September

[eyeball]

34 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Canada's annual inflation rate rose to 2.4% in September

And America's rose to 3%.

35 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

America is doing fine and we are at the absolute bottom

Arithmetic much?

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

And America's rose to 3%.

 

Sure. But as noted their GDP rose more than that. So they're people tend to be better off. Ours went up to that but our GDP barely rose at all. Which means our people are losing ground.

 

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Arithmetic much?

Apparently more than you do  

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sure. But as noted their GDP rose more than that. So they're people tend to be better off. Ours went up to that but our GDP barely rose at all. Which means our people are losing ground.

...he cheered...

[CdnFox]

Just now, eyeball said:

I'm repeating my previous lie because i know you're right but i'm too emotionally invested in the liberals to admit it

[CdnFox]

40 minutes ago, eyeball said:

And America's rose to 3%.

Arithmetic much?

Here's the point -  this is what you're cheering about

Most Canadians see inflation eating away at income gains: StatCan

This is what seems to be making you happy. I think it's a bad thing and somehow you want me to be a bad person as a result. 

Only a liberal  

[eyeball]

Just now, CdnFox said:

This is what seems to be making you happy.

The only group to buck the trend? The ultra-wealthy.

No poor man ever gave you a job?

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I think it's a bad thing and somehow you want me to be a bad person as a result. 

Awwww.

[Nationalist]

18 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I agree.  Carney was wrong to remove the counter tariffs, because Trump just kept adding more.  Western countries are becoming more protectionist and insular because the the U.S. has forced our hands.  It’s back to the early twentieth century. I think this marks the rise of Asia, perhaps eventually India more than China.  I think Trump is the misguided reaction to overspending, moral collapse, and the rise of automation.  Cheap labour overseas is the justification given for the tariffs, but that’s actually a smaller factor than the others I think.  Canada has to go where the growth is.  

And that might be...China?

Shouldn't Canada stop the bleeding first and then worry about what to do?

So where's the growth markets for Canada? "The Ring of Fire" in Ontario? Yes but...there's so much more. Half of Canada's finance and economy issues are self-inflicted. 

You have a country chalk full of natural resources, just when the world is scrambling for them. Your national finances are a mess. What do you do to attract slews of capital and jobs? You declare open season. Then de-regulate and create a business friendly economy. You might also wanna think about doing something about the flow of "refugees".

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The only group to buck the trend? The ultra-wealthy.

No poor man ever gave you a job?

 

Nope no poor man gave me a job. And there's no doubt this budget definitely favors the ultra wealthy. For some reason they took taxes off of personal purchases of aircraft and luxury boatstook away penalties for owning an apartment and leaving in vacant

That's your heroes that work there big guy  

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Awwww.

Yeah that's kind of how I felt about it. For some reason you guys always want your emotional problems to be my responsibility and they just aren't. Your stupidity and your failure to be able to think critically are not my problem. Awwwww  

 

Anyway I'm sure the ultra rich enjoy your support.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

For some reason you guys always want your emotional problems to be my responsibility and they just aren't. 😪

Awwww. 

[BeaverFever]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Then why is the US economy growing in our shrinking?

Me thinks it is not trump who has the comprehension problem here

1) We don’t know that us economy is growing or not because of the shutdown there isn’t any reporting and there are also many negative signs and many sectors of the US economy that Trump has completely screwed. Us economy is certainly doing worse than when he first took office. You have to stop repeating trump’s claims as facts, you know he’s a shameless liar.

2) As point of fact the Canadian economy is not shrinking. Growth has slowed but it’s still growing 

3) Trump is waging economic war against Canada, the threats and uncertainty he’s causing in addition to the tariffs on strategic industries are of course having a dampening effect on our economy. 

[Moonlight Graham]

So far Carney is doing exactly what Trump wants him to do re: defence spending and border security spending.

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

So far Carney is doing exactly what Trump wants him to do re: defence spending and border security spending.

Carney is also caving to Canadians who want this.

That said if he directed the bulk of that defence spending to guard against our annexation then I'd support it too.

[bush_cheney2004]

5 hours ago, Goddess said:

But I'm kind of getting to the point of wondering how bankrupting other countries benefits US in the long run?  It's like Trump is sitting at a Monopoly board with other countries and just sweeps all the properties, hotels and homes to himself and says "This all belongs to me now."

 

 

I don't think bankrupting other nations is the goal (with a few exceptions).  There is a much broader strategy and agenda at play besides trade.   When it comes to Canada, many of the current flash points are old issues going back many decades before Trump (automotive, softwood lumber, dairy, gypsum board, steel, aluminum, etc.).   

Canada feels it more intently because it is so dependent on exports (~33% of GDP) to a single U.S. market.   That's been an issue for a long time as well.

I know this list is long, but one can see more of the policy/strategy nuts and bolts in this scoreboard:   Trump 2.0 Tariff Tracker   [Example...Trump wants to hit Russia hard with sanctions and those that trade with Russia.]

https://www.tradecomplianceresourcehub.com/2025/11/04/trump-2-0-tariff-tracker/

To borrow and old saying, if the only tool you have is a hammer, then everything looks like a nail.

[eyeball]

22 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

To borrow and old saying, if the only tool you have is a hammer, then everything looks like a nail.

Except Trump's on a mass shooting spree with a 50 caliber nail-gun.

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, eyeball said:

Except Trump's on a mass shooting spree with a 50 caliber nail-gun.

 

Exactly as promised...don't you like politicians who do what they say during the campaign ?

There is an entire world to trade with....why does Canada export 75% to a single nation knowing damn well how vulnerable that is...regardless of Trump ?  (In comparison, Canadian market is only 15% of USA exports.)

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

And that might be...China?

Shouldn't Canada stop the bleeding first and then worry about what to do?

So where's the growth markets for Canada? "The Ring of Fire" in Ontario? Yes but...there's so much more. Half of Canada's finance and economy issues are self-inflicted. 

You have a country chock full of natural resources, just when the world is scrambling for them. Your national finances are a mess. What do you do to attract slews of capital and jobs? You declare open season. Then de-regulate and create a business friendly economy. You might also wanna think about doing something about the flow of "refugees".

Yes, but my guess is that the federal government and trade minister are seeking high and low for new markets, and they will find them over time.  Similarly, we need big investment to get our resources out of the ground.  Those players exist, but if fewer of them are American, it’s likely that more of them will be Chinese.   Also, to have an ample domestic market that can absorb much of this production, we’re faced with the cultural and infrastructure challenges of high immigration.  Canadians aren’t having enough kids.

Canada can take a more independent course from the U.S., but it comes with other challenges.  I also have to admit that Trump is seeking to protect a way of life and cultural features that are at real risk of disappearing.  He’s partly right about many things, but quite wrong on a few things, or at least not balanced on some things.  He’s triggering the counterrevolution to his own regime, which is why he’d be wise to moderate quickly.  However, that’s entirely outside of our control.  We basically have to adapt, but the distrust towards America could be lasting and deep.  

Edited November 6, 2025 by Zeitgeist