New poll shows majority of Canadians want NO new immigration.

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You did. You supported the liberals for that exact sort of reason.

You know they're corrupt, you know that their policies for the most part are bad for Canada, but you still support them 

FIFY.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

FIFY.

Did you, you posted exactly what I said :

What i said:

 

You did. You supported the liberals for that exact sort of reason.

You know they're corrupt, you know that their policies for the most part are bad for Canada, but you still support them

What you posted:

 

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You did. You supported the liberals for that exact sort of reason.

You know they're corrupt, you know that their policies for the most part are bad for Canada, but you still support them

LOL hilarious   Even when you're trying to lie the truth sometimes comes out    

 

[Moonlight Graham]

On 12/13/2025 at 3:50 AM, TreeBeard said:

How many children do you have?

27 with another on the way.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/91KIiAHex8L.jpg

 

[Moonlight Graham]

23 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Ye of little faith. A common failing of the Liberal mind. Set the table with prosperity and nature will take its course.

Canada is one of the most economically prosperous societies in human history.  Same every other western country lol.  Stats show literally the exact opposite patterns of birth rates than what you're saying:  The poorer the country the HIGHER the birth rates.  And within countries, the lower the incomes the higher the birth rates.

 And please don't call me an insulting dirty word like "a Liberal" ever again.

[Nationalist]

12 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Canada is one of the most economically prosperous societies in human history.  Same every other western country lol.  Stats show literally the exact opposite patterns of birth rates than what you're saying:  The poorer the country the HIGHER the birth rates.  And within countries, the lower the incomes the higher the birth rates.

 And please don't call me an insulting dirty word like "a Liberal" ever again.

If we're so affluent, why are so many saying they cant afford to have kids?

[John Stone]

............ a society that  despite the fact  can't provide affordable childcare, is challenged in terms of  housing, education, and medical. A society that has few large cities to absorb immigrants and where a province can opt out of National immigration goals - despite all this, sets an immigration annual target goal of 500k is without a doubt either stupid, incompetent or naive. 

Justin was not stupid .........my money is on naïve, a bleeding heart but definitely NOT a leader. 

 

 

[Moonlight Graham]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

You're doing it too. LMAO!

Look, when you loons say politicians maintain things that allow abuse to happen it means you actually believe a bunch of them sat around discussing it premeditatively and followed it up with actual orchestration.  DON'T VOTE FOR THIS? Ummmm okay, I didn't. So WTF makes you think or say I did anyway?

I guess you're all just so stoned out of your minds on conspiracy gas for so long now your skewed thinking is just automatic.  You're not just playing stupid, you really can't help it.

The Liberals have controlled our immigration policy and immigration law through IRPA for the last 10 years.  If they allow any migrant to immediately claim refugee status upon being charged with a serious crime in order to avoid deportation, flood the country with unprecedented numbers of temporary migrants, and don't fund the IRCC/IRB enough to process the inevitable drastic increase in refugee claims in less than 4 freaking years while handing out freebies like healthcare and other benefits to them then that is a choice.  And incompetence isn't an excuse.  Don't be feigning dumb for the Liberals and voters.

Sorry but people have voted the Liberals back in 4 elections in a row now. This is on them too.  It's not any different among the NDP and Greens either so you don't get off here.  Gad Saad says you suffer from "suicidal empathy" and it's destroying the West too.  Nice guys finish last, so bend over and take it up the arse from everyone else like any guilt-ridden white progressive should.

[Moonlight Graham]

16 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

If we're so affluent, why are so many saying they cant afford to have kids?

Because they're full of shit and value their comfortable modern lifestyle over having more children.

[Nationalist]

15 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Because they're full of shit and value their comfortable modern lifestyle over having more children.

No.

Just...no.

[I am Groot]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

No.

Just...no.

There are a number of reasons why people aren't having more children. Certainly, housing affordability is one of them, as is daycare affordability and availability. 

Another is that the economy was heavily changed when all those women started working. Labour is paid according to its scarcity. If you suddenly double the workforce then labour is worth less. Thus while a man with a middling decent job could support a wife and five children in previous generations, that just isn't the case now. Both parents have to work, and that means it's hard to allow for the cost and time away from work for the mother.

Couples are not getting together and staying together as they used to. Once upon a time, most people were married in their early twenties and started having children. Now, hookups are the thing, and couples have unrealistic expectations of what a relationship looks like. They break up over stupid crap their grandparents wouldn't have even been tempted to separate over. This might also be partly because people are maturing later as we coddle them right through university. And they're not learning how to deal with others on their own because unsupervised play just doesn't happen much anymore until kids are in their early to mid-teens. In any event, couples are often in their mid-thirties before they have a secure enough relationship AND are financially secure enough to consider kids, and that doesn't leave a lot of time left for big families. 

[TreeBeard]

4 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

27 with another on the way.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/91KIiAHex8L.jpg

 

So none.  
 

Conservatives:  people need to have more babies.

Also conservatives:  oh, not me.  

[eyeball]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Did you, you posted exactly what I said :

You forgot your little smiley face. It the only way to tell you're being serious.

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Sorry but people have voted the Liberals back in 4 elections in a row now. 

When will you people finally give up on voting and do what needs to be done?

You know you wanna.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

You forgot your little smiley face. It the only way to tell you're being serious.

So you screwed up and now you feel like a warm turd and can't think of anything to say  

Well there you go   

[eyeball]

13 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So you screwed up and now you feel like a warm turd and can't think of anything to say  

Well there you go   

Nope, I was pointing out you're just a dilettante looking for another hit of shits and giggles. A pathetic troll - a loser.

[CdnFox]

39 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Nope, I was pointing out you're just a dilettante looking for another hit of shits and giggles. A pathetic troll - a loser.

 Oh NOES!!  Triggered leftie who lost an argument is triggered!  

LOL yeah kid i think we all know that you never get that butthurt unless you're big mad about looking stupid again  

You gotta stop blaming me for your dumb. 

[Moonlight Graham]

10 hours ago, Nationalist said:

If we're so affluent, why are so many saying they cant afford to have kids?

Because they want the 2.5 bathrooms, 2 plane trip vacations a year, and the Audi.  They (women) replace the kids with dogs and cats because they're far less responsibility.  YOUR DOG IS NOT YOUR CHILD.

[Moonlight Graham]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

When will you people finally give up on voting and do what needs to be done?

You know you wanna.

Grow up.

6 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

So none.  
 

Conservatives:  people need to have more babies.

Also conservatives:  oh, not me.  

If you have to make up compete lies then your argument sucks.

[herbie]

8 hours ago, eyeball said:

When will you people finally give up on voting and do what needs to be done?

Can't it's so much easier to blame someone than to DO something. That's the seens to be the sole Tory policy since 2015. 

Hyku, hyuk let's VOTE for higher wages. Vote for lower prices. Vote that F150 back down to $25,000

Edited December 15, 2025 by herbie

[Legato]

3 minutes ago, herbie said:

Can't it's so much easier to blame someone than to DO something. That's the seens to be the sole Tory policy since 2015. 

Hyku, hyuk let's VOTE for higher wages. Vote for lower prices. Vote that F150 back down to $25,000

 

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, herbie said:

Can't it's so much easier to blame someone than to DO something. That's the seens to be the sole Tory policy since 2015. 

Hyku, hyuk let's VOTE for higher wages. Vote for lower prices. Vote that F150 back down to $25,000

The only thing carney is done is run up about 100 billion dollars in debt.  

The liberals sure know how to do that, and they're sure good at lining their own pockets. I hear carney has been meeting again with brooksfield people when he was told not to.

You and the rest of the liberal supporters have got to be the only people that think stealing Canadians money while letting them suffer is doing something

[Nationalist]

19 hours ago, I am Groot said:

There are a number of reasons why people aren't having more children. Certainly, housing affordability is one of them, as is daycare affordability and availability. 

Another is that the economy was heavily changed when all those women started working. Labour is paid according to its scarcity. If you suddenly double the workforce then labour is worth less. Thus while a man with a middling decent job could support a wife and five children in previous generations, that just isn't the case now. Both parents have to work, and that means it's hard to allow for the cost and time away from work for the mother.

Couples are not getting together and staying together as they used to. Once upon a time, most people were married in their early twenties and started having children. Now, hookups are the thing, and couples have unrealistic expectations of what a relationship looks like. They break up over stupid crap their grandparents wouldn't have even been tempted to separate over. This might also be partly because people are maturing later as we coddle them right through university. And they're not learning how to deal with others on their own because unsupervised play just doesn't happen much anymore until kids are in their early to mid-teens. In any event, couples are often in their mid-thirties before they have a secure enough relationship AND are financially secure enough to consider kids, and that doesn't leave a lot of time left for big families. 

Indeed we have created entire generations of spoiled brats. There are a number of reasons for that. Urbanization, lack of religion/honor/respect, technology, chief among them.

But cost restrictions are relatively new. The creation of the welfare state and the abandoning of the gold standard, ushered in the need for higher taxes for government operations and the era of "greed is good". In the last 30 years we have also enabled mass migration.

We created a world where funds seemed endless. Social programs have grown to dizzying costs, immigration has been made easy and regulations have become stifling. All Liberal ideals...all growing costs exponentially. 

The solution...re-introduce religious morals and national pride, reduce immigration drastically and de-regulation across the board. Reform the welfare state. Re-establish a sense of responsibility to family and nation. Stop flooding the nation with migrants. Allow business to flourish. 

Costs and wages will align better. The cost of living will be reduced. Mental health will improve. More people will start families and more children per capita will be born.

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

The solution...re-introduce religious morals and national pride, reduce immigration drastically and de-regulation across the board. Reform the welfare state. Re-establish a sense of responsibility to family and nation. Stop flooding the nation with migrants. Allow business to flourish. 

Costs and wages will align better. The cost of living will be reduced. Mental health will improve. More people will start families and more children per capita will be born.

Not saying you're wrong but some of that's a pretty tall order. You can't really reintroduce religion into people's lives, is something they come to on their own or not at all. And it's hard to reestablish things like a sense of responsibility to family. It's easy to destroy those things but it's not easy to create them in people without stepping on their rights pretty hard.

The rest is doable of course. But it is been noted by experts that once a society's morals fall apart reestablishing it can be very difficult.

[eyeball]

21 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Grow up.

You routinely say the left is destroying your country. Not just steering it the wrong way or something but destroying it.  Presumably you mean until its gone and doesn't exist and it's called something different and the people who lived here extinguished.

What does grow up even mean in the face of such an over-dramatic imagination?

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Not saying you're wrong but some of that's a pretty tall order. You can't really reintroduce religion into people's lives, is something they come to on their own or not at all. And it's hard to reestablish things like a sense of responsibility to family. It's easy to destroy those things but it's not easy to create them in people without stepping on their rights pretty hard.

The rest is doable of course. But it is been noted by experts that once a society's morals fall apart reestablishing it can be very difficult.

True about religion. But I said "religious morals". Its a bit of a hair-split but, I would never impose any of the religions on people. Especially "the dirty three". The morality lessons though, sans all the abrasive junk injected for control purposes, could be infused to the young.

But you're correct. Social engineering takes time. It also takes complete buy-in from the political and upper classes.

Edited December 15, 2025 by Nationalist