What The Liberals Did To Canada

[Goddess]

They immigrated millions of people and we don't have enough skilled workers.

Kind of proves they've been lying to Canadians all these years about the quality of people we've immigrated in.

Unless you count criminals as "skilled" labor.

Sorry about the "anonymous" account.  🤣

One of the comments - "These people can't even get my Tim Horton's coffee order right, I would never trust them to build me a house."

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Sure Kid... you've provided nothing and can't provide nothing, because it doesn't exist.  Interesting how you say you've provided 'tonnes' but can't find a single one to prove your defence of your political hero.

There's no question that your little mind is incredibly complicated, which is a job for a psychologist. In this realm, you're just a simple minded political hack who can only see contempt for anything left, liberal, and hope for Canada faltering.

🤡

Buddy, gas prices in Van were $1.16 in Oct 2015. 

By 2017 they were $1.45. 

By 2018 they were $1.65

In 2022 gas got as high as $2.40/ltr in Van (with no war in Iran)

In 2024 at this time, gas was over $2/l That's 70% higher than when Harper left office.

Right now gas is still at $2.06.

Left4rds will try to pretend that the war in Iran is the reason for our high gas prices, but FYI the war in Iran didn't start in 2022. 

I'm not gonna bother to try to explain this to you, but the cost of gas affects everything.

Trudeau's war on Canadian energy, his massive deficit spending, his low interest rates followed quickly by high interest rates, his massive increases in immigration, all contributed to our current economic problems. 

AI search:

Do you think rents went up when house prices went up by that much? Along with the high price of gas?

I'll be honest, house prices only went that high because the interest rates dropped so low. I guess you could say that the low interest rates helped cause inflation, along with the massive deficit spending, but have no fear: jacking interest rates kicked the hell out of rising prices lol.

In that calendar year, interest rates went up by 4%.

That might not sound like a lot, but 4.25% is 17x higher than 0.25%.

In fairness, Canadians don't get loans for 0.25%, when rates were that low maybe you got 1.5%, but when that 1.5% goes up to 5.5%, your interest nearly quadruples. 

So think about the money that banks made off of Trudeau's interest rate fiasco while Carney was his advisor... House prices skyrocketed due to the low rates, and when rates went up, everyone on variable rates got gut-punched, then kicked in the face, then curb-stomped, and finally choked out. 

House prices in Langley now:

When people's 5 yr terms are up in Feb 2027, and they're trying to refinance, but home prices are so much lower, I don't know what's gonna happen. Chances are, it's not gonna be good. 

Our country is a shit-show. Your theory that inflation here was low isn't just laughable, it makes you look like a mor0n. 

 

I know that you think in terms of rent, so here's the cost of a 2-bdrm rental unit here:

The cost more than doubled.

Here's your minimum wage stat:

Rent more than doubled, gas nearly doubled, the minimum wage went up by around 70%. Ouch. 

[WestCanMan]

50 minutes ago, Goddess said:

If you wanna obsessively follow me around the board like your 12-yr-old friend, knock yourself out.  

Don't forget down-arrow boy.

[Moonbox]

50 minutes ago, Goddess said:

If you wanna obsessively follow me around the board like your 12-yr-old friend, knock yourself out.  

I don't.  When did I last respond to your talking-to-yourself vaccine megathread? 🤣

Like I've told the other dumb muppet who was yapping away at me here, this forum isn't all about you and being able to puke all over it as you please.  

[I am Groot]

17 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I get it... you don't like brown immigrants.  Now what... who's going to drive that taxi, deliver that DoorDash, and work for other minimum wage jobs? 

I would rather have a million Lebanese Christians come over than 100k Lebanese Musilms. The Christians will adapt and integrate. The Muslims, too many of them, simply won't and aren't. People cling to these religions. They're not like Westerners who, for the most part, take their religion in buffet style, ignoring the more distasteful elements. The third world takes it SERIOUSLY. And Muslims and Sikhs especially do. 

What I'm saying is it's not skin colour except that is an indication of culture and values. Or as others have said before - Would you like to live in Pakistan or Afghanistan or India? If not, then why do you want to bring that here? Why are we importing ignorant, backward people from corrupt cultures who will cost us a fortune in social welfare and threaten the safety of our society?

Edited April 30 by I am Groot

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I'm talking about 2015 clown, and yes I'm aware of the covid years and how affordability here and elsewhere became more pronounced as economies worked back from the pandemic.

Wrongo, stupid.

You're talking about the percentage of people living under the poverty line from 2015 to 2025 or whatever.

It dropped because they changed the standard, like Cdn said, and it was way down in 2020 because of covid, but it's been crawling up ever since.

And if you look at how far the minimum wage got you in 2015, compared to now, you can see that people were miles ahead back then. 

Rent is more than double, gas is almost double, the minimum wage is only up by 70%. What do you think that did to the working-poor in this country?

[Goddess]

14 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I don't.  When did I last respond to your talking-to-yourself vaccine megathread? 🤣

Like I've told the other dumb muppet who was yapping away at me here, this forum isn't all about you and being able to puke all over it as you please.  

You're not my real mom!

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

HA HA HA

 

I accept your admission of defeat  

51 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I don't. 

But you are. And you do that with me when I beat you up as well.

You may be a broken and pathetic little man, but I will hand it to you that you're at least consistent  

[LinkSoul60]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I would rather have a million Lebanese Christians come over than 100k Lebanese Musilms. The Christians will adapt and integrate. The Muslims, too many of them, simply won't and aren't. People cling to these religions. They're not like Westerners who, for the most part, take their religion in buffet style, ignoring the more distasteful elements. The third world takes it SERIOUSLY. And Muslims and Sikhs especially do. 

What I'm saying is it's not skin colour except that is an indication of culture and values. Or as others have said before - Would you like to live in Pakistan or Afghanistan or India? If not, then why do you want to bring that here? Why are we importing ignorant, backward people from corrupt cultures who will cost us a fortune in social welfare and threaten the safety of our society?

I agree that we shouldn't allow thugs to immigrate here but there are religious fanatics everywhere. To say though that all Muslims and Sikhs are bad actors would not be accurate.  We home grown white supremacists/far right extremists doing their thing just like other religious fanatics do as doing theirs, but as far as I know rampant crimes aren't being committed by muslim or sikh immigrants?  Mind you Greater Vancouver has a problem with Punjabi youth gangs, but also has a problem with other Asian and caucasian youth gangs.  

No I don't want to live in Pakistan, Afghanistan or India, no more than I want to live in other parts of Canada or the US. The majority of immigrants are coming from India and are both skilled and non-skilled just like Canadian kids and are contributing to our economy. A lot of years ago I probably let the amount of the amount of them I saw 'taking over' get to me but have found over time, or probably accepted that it is what it is but they're just like anyone else, good and bad. As far as a burden that refugees/asylum seekers put on our social system, we're a humanitarian country (and hopefully always will be). They're only a 'burden' if too many are let in, which we did starting in 2021 trying to deal with the pandemic effect. We let way too many people in during Trudeau's last 4 years....  but I don't see immigration as threat to Canadian society. Immigration levels have been dialled back and will for the next few years. Trust they'll be managed reasonably thereafter as well.

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

???? Is that some sort of retort??

 

LOL yeah kid, you'll get it when you grow up  LOLOL

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

LMAO...  it was an anomaly and not Harpers fault!!!  

Yeah. Remember the calculations are made the following year.  When justin took over   He needed a benchmark.

That's why 2014 and 2016 were much lower.  What, you think 5 percent of the population accidentally became impoverished for one year and then suddenly got better?  

 

 

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But no covid anomaly for Trudeau was there, or Carney and anomaly of US tariff attacks is there....because they're liberals 😂. 

Covid sure, that's a genuine anomaly  But poverty went down at that time, largely due to the gov't giving up free money, and then went back. Soooo????

Trump has nothing to do with carney's record, and carney's record is a little too short to really say anything

So in other words you realized you were wrong and started making up fake things nobody said to argue against  LOLOLOL

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Obviously facts elude you when they don't flatter your hero or right wing logic.  What didn't you understand of the Stats Canada data?

Time to put that nyquil bottle down and step away kid  

Harper did pretty good on poverty especially considering he went through the worst economic downturn in almost a hundred years. But it is absolutely true that justin made adjustments to 2015 because he wanted to use that particular year as a benchmark for future years and it's also entirely true that he then changed the definition of poverty to make it look like he had severely reduced it.

Subsequent to that change things have gotten worse except during covid when the government basically give everyone a free salary if they didn't have one already. And now that that's over poverty has been increasing year after year after year since 2023

The wealth gap is also growing. The rich aren't getting richer, the Middle class is getting poorer.

And when you factor in inflation and people's actual buying power the vast majority of Canadians are worse off today

The liberals bring nothing but suffering and misery to people in the end

[LinkSoul60]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Buddy, gas prices in Van were $1.16 in Oct 2015. 

By 2017 they were $1.45. 

By 2018 they were $1.65

In 2022 gas got as high as $2.40/ltr in Van (with no war in Iran)

In 2024 at this time, gas was over $2/l That's 70% higher than when Harper left office.

Right now gas is still at $2.06.

Left4rds will try to pretend that the war in Iran is the reason for our high gas prices, but FYI the war in Iran didn't start in 2022. 

I'm not gonna bother to try to explain this to you, but the cost of gas affects everything.

Trudeau's war on Canadian energy, his massive deficit spending, his low interest rates followed quickly by high interest rates, his massive increases in immigration, all contributed to our current economic problems. 

AI search:

Do you think rents went up when house prices went up by that much? Along with the high price of gas?

I'll be honest, house prices only went that high because the interest rates dropped so low. I guess you could say that the low interest rates helped cause inflation, along with the massive deficit spending, but have no fear: jacking interest rates kicked the hell out of rising prices lol.

In that calendar year, interest rates went up by 4%.

That might not sound like a lot, but 4.25% is 17x higher than 0.25%.

In fairness, Canadians don't get loans for 0.25%, when rates were that low maybe you got 1.5%, but when that 1.5% goes up to 5.5%, your interest nearly quadruples. 

So think about the money that banks made off of Trudeau's interest rate fiasco while Carney was his advisor... House prices skyrocketed due to the low rates, and when rates went up, everyone on variable rates got gut-punched, then kicked in the face, then curb-stomped, and finally choked out. 

House prices in Langley now:

When people's 5 yr terms are up in Feb 2027, and they're trying to refinance, but home prices are so much lower, I don't know what's gonna happen. Chances are, it's not gonna be good. 

Our country is a shit-show. Your theory that inflation here was low isn't just laughable, it makes you look like a mor0n. 

 

I know that you think in terms of rent, so here's the cost of a 2-bdrm rental unit here:

The cost more than doubled.

Here's your minimum wage stat:

Rent more than doubled, gas nearly doubled, the minimum wage went up by around 70%. Ouch. 

Things were less expensive 11 years ago. No shît Sherlock, and it took you an hour of searching and pasting to show me that?

As far as your idi0t friend goes... Metro Vancouver was highly unaffordable in 2015 and the hack knows it.  It's a simple search 'was metro Vancouver unaffordable in 2015', not if things were cheaper 11 years ago fool.  You just showed where the minimum wage has increased by $7.60 p/hour since then... did you not expect all prices would have increased as well?  Normal inflation aside, the pandemic had a massive impact on the cost of housing, materials, logistics, labour, etc, etc... that we're still feeling and probably always will with those trickle down costs

Real estate has up and downs and always will.  We had a housing shortage in 2015 and we have a housing shortage now. I'd hope all governments can figure out zoning and approval processes need reshaping to it make easier and more attractive for developers and builders.  

As far as the good old days of 2015 in metro Vancouver and other cities, of course things were less expensive but the cost of living was still difficult for many because wages were also lesser then.  Affordability was obviously a challenge with 14% of earners below the poverty line then versus 11% today. There has to be something to that stat don't you think.   

 

Canada experienced a developing housing shortage and rising affordability challenges during Stephen Harper’s term (2006–2015), particularly in cities like Vancouver and Toronto. While not as acute as the post-2020 crisis, the period saw rising homelessness and rising home prices, alongside a federal retreat from direct social housing construction.

Key Housing Trends (2006–2015):

• Declining Affordability: The MLS composite house price index rose 86% during the Harper years, raising concerns over a potential bubble.
• Shift in Strategy: The government shifted from social housing construction toward "Housing First" initiatives, focusing on funding for homelessness rather than new affordable housing supply.
• Reduced Funding: Critics argue the government scaled back funding for affordable housing and failed to tackle housing shortages, with analysts pointing to a rise in rent and home prices.
• Regional Shortages: Vancouver, in particular, was facing record homelessness and a lack of supply in the mid-2000s.
• Market Growth: Despite high prices, the average price appreciation per year was approximately $25,000, which was lower than the subsequent high increases in later periods. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7]

 

[LinkSoul60]

52 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Yeah. Remember the calculations are made the following year.  When justin took over   He needed a benchmark.

That's why 2014 and 2016 were much lower.  What, you think 5 percent of the population accidentally became impoverished for one year and then suddenly got better?  

 

Lol... you never give up do you Kiddo.  When people tell you you're FOS does it make you repeat your imagined thoughts more often to make them even more real?

Remember Kid,  5+ million people or 14% of the population was earning below the poverty line in 2015.  

Lol... 2014 and 2016 were much lower. Are you serious... You're embarrassing 😂  3.9 million people in 2014 or 11.3%.  2016 was 4.5 million people or 12.8%.  How again are you trying to defend affordability in 2015?  

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Covid sure, that's a genuine anomaly  But poverty went down at that time, largely due to the gov't giving up free money, and then went back. Soooo????

Trump has nothing to do with carney's record, and carney's record is a little too short to really say anything

So in other words you realized you were wrong and started making up fake things nobody said to argue against  LOLOLOL

We can probably agree about what the government ultimately did with CERB benefits but at the time it was the end of the world and the end of pay checks for a lot of people.  Hindsight is great, but it didn't apply to the now, unless of course we had a relatively recent pandemic that we could have learned from. 

Are you trying to say that US tariffs have nothing to do with our current economy? 

There is nothing I've said that isn't fact.  If there has been point it out. You know the facts... you're just too stǔpid to admit them.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Time to put that nyquil bottle down and step away kid  

Harper did pretty good on poverty especially considering he went through the worst economic downturn in almost a hundred years. But it is absolutely true that justin made adjustments to 2015 because he wanted to use that particular year as a benchmark for future years and it's also entirely true that he then changed the definition of poverty to make it look like he had severely reduced it.

Subsequent to that change things have gotten worse except during covid when the government basically give everyone a free salary if they didn't have one already. And now that that's over poverty has been increasing year after year after year since 2023

The wealth gap is also growing. The rich aren't getting richer, the Middle class is getting poorer.

And when you factor in inflation and people's actual buying power the vast majority of Canadians are worse off today

The liberals bring nothing but suffering and misery to people in the end

Your love affair with the conservatives and hate for liberals borders on pathetic, to stúpid.... call it pathetically stùpid.

Yes, I'm aware of the wealth gap that is widening.  Do you believe that is a liberal problem?  

I'm not disagreeing people find it less affordable today, but that hasn't been the subject.  You knowingly disregard what the world was actually back in the heyday because of your life mission to shìt on anything left or liberal.  Are you suffering and in misery like all other Canadians? 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Lol... you never give up do you Kiddo.  

 

I just repeat the truth. The real question is why hearing the truth for you is like a vampire getting sprinkled with holy water  

 

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When people tell you you're FOS does it make you repeat your imagined thoughts more often to make them even more real?

People don't tell me that.  YOU do but lets get real, you're closer to a religious zombie for the liberals than 'people'.

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Remember Kid,  5+ million people or 14% of the population was earning below the poverty line in 2015.  

And yet only 11 percent in 2014 and 2016.  And 2013 etc

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Lol... 2014 and 2016 were much lower. Are you serious... You're embarrassing 😂 

Oh dear.  Couldn't refute the facts and had a little mental break down over it did we?  Well. I'm embarrassing you at any rate   

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

We can probably agree about what the government ultimately did with CERB benefits but at the time it was the end of the world and the end of pay checks for a lot of people.

It's not relevant. We can certainly agree that for better or worse CERB and the corporate versions of it that kept people working obviousy created a bit of a skewed picture for poverty. 

 

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Are you trying to say that US tariffs have nothing to do with our current economy? 

I haven't mentioned the current economy.

See, once again, you have to lie and create fake arguments that nobody made to try to salvage your argument. In fact, i said it's too soon to judge carney very clearly and directly.  But - trump and tarifs weren't around ni 2023, 2024 and poverty climbed both those years, and tarifs didn't affect much till later 2025.  

Soooo... not really a tariff issue.

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There is nothing I've said that isn't fact.

Almost everything you upset is a lie one way or another. You claim I've made statements about the tariffs affecting our economy that never were made. You made claims about the poverty rates in the past and currently claiming that they were the same thing which is untrue considering the definition was changed. So that's a lie. You appear to be claiming that the rate wasn't lower in 2014 and 2016 so that would be another lie on your part.

You lie constantly. You have to, the truth doesn't work for you

And the truth is simple. Canadians are worse off now than they have been in many decades. The poor are poorer and the middle class is on the edge of being wiped out. For most wages are not keeping pace with inflation, people can't afford a home and they can't afford food.

And here's the simple fact you keep desperately trying to avoid;

Are Canadians worse off now than they were economically in 2015 - Google Search

Key Factors Affecting Economic Well-being Since 2015:

• Rising Cost of Living: High inflation and interest rates have significantly increased expenses, contributing to increased food bank usage and personal debt.
• Housing Crisis: Housing costs have risen dramatically, making homeownership unaffordable for many, with average home prices far exceeding income growth.
• Stagnant Productivity & GDP: Real GDP per capita has mostly flatlined since 2015, indicating the economy is not growing fast enough to keep up with population growth.
• Declining Standards: Research suggests that if Canada's economy had followed 2015 trends, individuals could be better off, and the country has fallen behind other advanced economies. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8]

While some metrics, such as overall household wealth, have increased for some, a significant portion of the population reports feeling "worse off" or "just getting by" (roughly 41% or more in various polls). [1, 2, 3]

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Lol... you never give up do you Kiddo.  When people tell you you're FOS does it make you repeat your imagined thoughts more often to make them even more real?

Remember Kid,  5+ million people or 14% of the population was earning below the poverty line in 2015.  

Lol... 2014 and 2016 were much lower. Are you serious... You're embarrassing 😂  3.9 million people in 2014 or 11.3%.  2016 was 4.5 million people or 12.8%.  How again are you trying to defend affordability in 2015?  

We can probably agree about what the government ultimately did with CERB benefits but at the time it was the end of the world and the end of pay checks for a lot of people.  Hindsight is great, but it didn't apply to the now, unless of course we had a relatively recent pandemic that we could have learned from. 

Are you trying to say that US tariffs have nothing to do with our current economy? 

There is nothing I've said that isn't fact.  If there has been point it out. You know the facts... you're just too stǔpid to admit them.

Your love affair with the conservatives and hate for liberals borders on pathetic, to stúpid.... call it pathetically stùpid.

Yes, I'm aware of the wealth gap that is widening.  Do you believe that is a liberal problem?  

I'm not disagreeing people find it less affordable today, but that hasn't been the subject.  You knowingly disregard what the world was actually back in the heyday because of your life mission to shìt on anything left or liberal.  Are you suffering and in misery like all other Canadians? 

 

It's worth posting a summation of the post i just made for the TL/DR crowd. 

You are lying and misrepresenting the facts. 

People are worse off today than they were in 2015 by a lot. 

That is the result of failed liberal policy over the last 11 years. 

I know you're desperate to stand up for the liberals.  But literally everyone who isn't a fanatic lunatic agrees, people are generally worse off today by a fair bit.  In 2015 you could afford to buy or rent a place to live.  You could afford good food. You could have savings   Today for most people none of that is true. 

Canada is a much worse place thanks to the libearls. 

[ExFlyer]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I accept your admission of defeat  

But you are. And you do that with me when I beat you up as well.

You may be a broken and pathetic little man, but I will hand it to you that you're at least consistent  

 

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

LOL yeah kid, you'll get it when you grow up  LOLOL

Poor coinfux...have nothing to say except to defend your LOSER position LOL

I am still living rent free in  your head...which is now so empty I have lots of room in there now to keep on tap dancing and making you respond to every one of my posts....only proving to all that you are a second place LOSER LOL LOL LOL

"You ARE a broken and pathetic little man" 

C'mon...respond HA HA HA

 

[ExFlyer]

12 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Don't forget down-arrow boy.

Aww poor wesconman...upset by down arrows.... HA HA. HA

[I am Groot]

11 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I agree that we shouldn't allow thugs to immigrate here but there are religious fanatics everywhere.

Let me paraphrase what Sam Harris said with regard to that. A fanatical Jane is no danger to anyone. Janism is so pacifist that a fundamentalist Jane is basically frozen in place for fear of stepping on a bug. The problem with Islamic fundamentalists is the fundamentals of Islam. It is the opposite of that. It is a militant political ideology with religious trappings that commands its followers to take over the world and absorb or kill anyone who fails to submit. It also gives them permission to lie, rob, rape and murder anyone not a Muslim. I am not exagerating.

11 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

To say though that all Muslims and Sikhs are bad actors would not be accurate.

All? Certainlly not. What is a danger is the growth of these religions, which are fundamentally isolated from the rest of society, and which trust no one else. And, of course, as they grow, the number of fanatics/fundamentalists grows. It doesn't take ALL of a group to cause trouble, just a substantial minority. If we screened these people before allowing them in I'd have less suspicion, but we don't.

11 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

We home grown white supremacists/far right extremists doing their thing

Do we? I've never met one. Never seen one. For all the talk of these alleged 'far right' extremists, I've never seen a gathering of more than a dozen or two, and even those are extremely rare. Meanwhile, hundreds of Muslims march down the streets in every city every week, and ostentatiously and defiantly gather in huge groups to pray in the streets, parks and concourses, daring anyone to stop them.

11 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

just like other religious fanatics do as doing theirs, but as far as I know rampant crimes aren't being committed by muslim or sikh immigrants?

They are in countries that record and report such things. From the UK to Sweden to Germany. Canada's government is a closed book. It's as seceretive as China's or Russia's. They tell you nothing about anything without a ferocious fight. And the news media self censors anyway. At one point, years ago, I began to notice a pattern in murder reports here. I went back through all the reports I could find that year of homocide here, and 90% of those arrested had a Muslim sounding name. I've lately started noticing a lot of Singhs being arrested, too. So many it's starting to become a meme online. 

And, well... https://www.tps.ca/organizational-chart/specialized-operations-command/detective-operations/investigative-services/homicide/most-wanted/

 

11 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

No I don't want to live in Pakistan, Afghanistan or India, no more than I want to live in other parts of Canada or the US.

Come on, man. Comparing living in Pakistan, Afghanistan or India to living in other parts of Canada is not a serious reply.

11 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

The majority of immigrants are coming from India and are both skilled and non-skilled just like Canadian kids and are contributing to our economy.

Funny how all these immigrants keep coming here every year to 'contribute to our economy' and yet our economy goes down in direct proportion to the numbers coming in. How many are on welfare? The government would never tell us. In other countries, large numbers are on welfare. In some, the majority of people on social welfare programs are immigrants. That only a quarter of those in public housing in Toronto are white ought to be a clue to something.

11 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

A lot of years ago I probably let the amount of the amount of them I saw 'taking over' get to me but have found over time, or probably accepted that it is what it is but they're just like anyone else, good and bad.

The problem is, they're not. They weren't raised here. Their values and culture are entirely different and not based on the uniquely Western concepts of fairness, individual rights, mutual respect and tolerence. People throw garbage all over the streets in India. Guess what happens when those people come here? Yes, they do the same thing. In Afghanistan, women are covered in burkas and have no rights. How do you think those men treat women when they arrive here?

Again, the police and government would never tell us if the sexual assault rate was much higher among newcomers than among Canadians, but in other Western countries, the sexual assault/rape rate of those coming from these countries, and others like North Africa is multiples higher than for Canadian born people.

11 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

As far as a burden that refugees/asylum seekers put on our social system, we're a humanitarian country (and hopefully always will be). They're only a 'burden' if too many are let in,

Go and look at the numbers I posted yesterday in the topic on immigration. It shows that on average people from Africa, the middle east, the Carrribean, and South Asia cost a ton of money. It's one thing to give to charity when you can afford it, quite another when you can't pay the rent. The elderly parent/grandparent sponsorship category alone costs taxpayers something like $7 billion a year.

11 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

 Immigration levels have been dialled back and will for the next few years. Trust they'll be managed reasonably thereafter as well.

Immigration levels have actually NOT been dialled back. The plan is to hand out 500k permanent resident visas this year and next and the next. All they've done is officially lowered the number of 'immigrants' and instead started handing out lots more permanent residencies to those who were supposed to be here temporarily. We're also still bringing in huge numbers of foreign workers despite a rising unemployment rate.

Edited May 1 by I am Groot

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Things were less expensive 11 years ago. No shît Sherlock, and it took you an hour of searching and pasting to show me that?

Wrong, stupid.

Things were far more affordable 11 years ago.

Wages were far higher in relation to mtgs, gas and food prices.

FYI when rents more than double and the minimum wage only goes up by 70%, what does that tell you?

Did you not know anyone whose mtg went up by more than $2k/mo in 2022? 

 

AI:

• Based on early 2026 data, low-income families in Canada face a significantly more difficult financial situation than in 2015, characterized by a higher "depth" of poverty, surging costs for essentials, and reduced purchasing power despite some indexed benefits. While the overall poverty rate is lower than in 2015 (12.5% in 2024 vs 14.3% in 2015), the hardship for those currently in poverty is deeper, with child poverty rising for the third consecutive year. [1, 2, 3, 4]
  Here is a breakdown of the increased difficulty from 2015 to 2026:
  1. Drastically Higher Costs for Essentials (Food & Rent) [1]
  • Faster Inflation on Basics: Since 2020, while average wages grew by ~25%, prices for essential food and housing rose by roughly 30%. This means food and shelter costs are drastically higher than in 2015, severely hitting low-income households that spend a larger share of their income on these items.
  • Grocery Inflation: Food inflation is expected to continue rising, adding nearly $1,000 to the annual grocery bills of a typical family of four in 2026.
  • Housing Costs: While the rate of rent increases has slowed slightly in early 2026, the absolute cost remains significantly higher than in 2015, and a CMHC report suggests housing affordability will not return to pre-2015 levels soon. [1, 2, 3, 4]
  2. Deeper Poverty and Stalled Progress
  • Worsening Depth of Poverty: In British Columbia, the poverty rate for children remains high, and there is an "alarming increase in depth of poverty" for all family forms below the poverty line.
  • Negligible Assistance Increases: Government assistance rates in many areas have failed to keep pace with the cost of living, with 2026 budgets in BC seen as a "slow retreat from public services".
  • Rise in Child Poverty: The 2026 Child Poverty Report warns of increasing child poverty for the third consecutive year, reversing previous progress. [1, 2, 3]

   

  Food Banks:

  • • Rise of the Working Poor (what did I tell you, stupid?): In 2019, people with employment made up 12% of food bank clients. By 2025, this number grew to nearly 20% (19.4%) of clients relying on food banks while being employed.
    • Impact on Vulnerable Groups: Children represent one-third of all food bank users, and the proportion of seniors using food banks has grown from 6.8% in 2019 to 8.3% in 2025.
    • Newcomer Vulnerability: Recent newcomers to Canada (in the country 10 years or less) account for 34% of clients, a significant increase from 13% in 2019.
    • Regional Trends: While the crisis is national, provinces like British Columbia have seen nearly an 80% increase since 2019, while others like P.E.I. and Nova Scotia have reported sharp year-over-year increases. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8]
    Primary Drivers of Increased Usage
    • Housing Costs: Approximately 70% of food bank clients are renters, with many spending a high proportion of their income on housing, leaving little for food.

     

     

     

[WestCanMan]

Link: there's no one in this country that honestly thinks things have improved here in the past 11 years.

Life in Canada has been going downhill steadily, and the AI search agrees. 

Now that the Liberals can run our democracy behind closed doors and shut down all investigations into their scandals, things are just going to keep spiralling out of control. 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Let me paraphrase what Sam Harris said with regard to that. A fanatical Jane is no danger to anyone. Janism is so pacifist that a fundamentalist Jane is basically frozen in place for fear of stepping on a bug. The problem with Islamic fundamentalists is the fundamentals of Islam. It is the opposite of that. It is a militant political ideology with religious trappings that commands its followers to take over the world and absorb or kill anyone who fails to submit. It also gives them permission to lie, rob, rape and murder anyone not a Muslim. I am not exagerating.

The problem with islam - and let's face it, it's nothing but a problem - is that at its very heart, it's is extremely evil. As in, Hitler-level evil.

 

Pedophilia:

Leftists here will be quick to condemn Epstein, but Epstein was a moon-cast shadow of the pedophilia ring-leader that mohammed was. 

• mohammed was a pedophile himself. As a man of 56 years old, he had the power to chop people's heads off for not joining his cult, and he was forcing women and children into r4pe slavery based on his own set of rules, all the time. Still, with all that power, he chose a 6-yr-old girl named Aisha as his bride. He had all the women within a 100-mile radius to choose from and yet he started having sex with a very young child.
• not only was mohammed a pedophile himself, he personally set the standard for Sharia law, where to this day, old muslim men still marry little children. Even in highly educated, modernized countries like Iran, there's no minimum age requirement for marriage, and children don't have to consent to their own marriages. And it's not an archaic law that's still on the books but no one adheres to, it's happening today. Through the ages, tens of thousands of small children were forced to marry old men, based on the absolutely disgusting standard that mohammed set.
• Dogs don't have sex with puppies, cats don't have sex with kittens, pigs don't even have sex with piglets, but mohammed and his disciples marry little children and have sex with them. mohammed set a standard for a completely depraved type of evil that is still followed by his cultists to this day. 

R4pe-Slavery:

• While the point can be made that the catholic church didn't denounce the slave trade, catholicism was a mere blip on the radar when it evolved within a world where slavery was normal for millennia, so it was actually powerless to make a change, and there was no such thing as an economy without slaves at that point. A culture without slaves could simply not compete. At the same time, Jesus didn't own slaves, or force people into slavery, so the standard that he set for his followers was to be better than the world average. The same can be said for Buddha.
• Mohammed personally forced women and children into r4pe-slavery, as did all of his followers: it was illegal for slaves to protect their genitalia from their owners under mohammed's sharia law. Again, mohammed set a standard for a completely depraved type of evil that is still followed by his cultists to this day. 

Codified Religious bigotry:

• Left4rds here will pretend that conservatives are bigots, but it's just another lie on their laundry list of mor0nic platitudes. This is a free, inclusive society where religions and cultures thrive unimpeded. Not even a glance or a muttered word is acceptable here... It's enough to warrant the creation of a safe-space on a college campus. islam, on the other hand, has always been a system of codified religious bigotry and still operates that way to this day. Religious bigotry is codified into law and rigidly enforced in every muslim country on earth today. Women without the proper headdress can be beaten up with impunity, and federal governments even flog and imprison women just for going without a hijab. Bigotry on a level that left4rds can't even comprehend is a cherished part of islamic culture.   

^^That^^ is islam, and no one on planet earth can dispute any of that using sensible words. The only actual defence of islam, to this day, is "It's illegal to tell the truth about islam".

 

Edited May 1 by WestCanMan

[LinkSoul60]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It's worth posting a summation of the post i just made for the TL/DR crowd. 

You are lying and misrepresenting the facts. 

People are worse off today than they were in 2015 by a lot. 

That is the result of failed liberal policy over the last 11 years. 

I know you're desperate to stand up for the liberals.  But literally everyone who isn't a fanatic lunatic agrees, people are generally worse off today by a fair bit.  In 2015 you could afford to buy or rent a place to live.  You could afford good food. You could have savings   Today for most people none of that is true. 

Canada is a much worse place thanks to the libearls. 

So you obviously acknowledge metro Van was unaffordable in 2015. Your inability to show me otherwise confirms that.

You also obviously can't dispute that a higher percentage of our population was living below the poverty line in 2015 than today.  Despite the fact, it's hilarious that you also can't even acknowledge it.

You keep ignoring or shifting the facts because of your blind bias to anything and everything right wing.  That's your problem, not mine.

To help soothe your disappointment though, I 100% agree that affordability is more acute today than it was in 2015, but alas, that wasn't the topic.  

Keep trying Kiddo... 🤡

 

 

56 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Wrong, stupid.

Things were far more affordable 11 years ago.

I just said that 'stūpid'...

Hard to believe that things were less expensive 11 years ago isn't it...

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

So you obviously acknowledge metro Van was unaffordable in 2015. Your inability to show me otherwise confirms that.

"Van" doesn't have to be "affordable". Not now, not then. There are parts of every country that are "unaffordable" for the masses. 

If you wanna live in Van as a young adult, you have always needed more than one roommate.

It's just used as a comp because, as such a large population centre, it has the most stats available going back long-term.

It's the areas around Van that become more and more affordable. And the eastward push of affordability has been massive under the LPoC catastrophe.

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I just said that 'stūpid'...

Hard to believe that things were less expensive 11 years ago isn't it...

It's a relative term, stupid. 

Inflation is normal. The LPoC level of inflation, compared to much slower income growth, is what the Liberal gov't has inflicted on Canadians. If we all got money lavished on us at the rate that their cronies do, everyone would all be buying new BMW's every year, but that's obviously not possible. Someone has to pay, and boy are we paying for it. 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Let me paraphrase ... It is a militant political ideology with religious trappings that commands its followers to take over the world and absorb or kill anyone who fails to submit. ....I am not exagerating.

A....

I could not get past that sentence.

You mean like Trump and his base?

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Let me paraphrase what Sam Harris said with regard to that. A fanatical Jane is no danger to anyone. Janism is so pacifist that a fundamentalist Jane is basically frozen in place for fear of stepping on a bug. The problem with Islamic fundamentalists is the fundamentals of Islam. It is the opposite of that. It is a militant political ideology with religious trappings that commands its followers to take over the world and absorb or kill anyone who fails to submit. It also gives them permission to lie, rob, rape and murder anyone not a Muslim. I am not exagerating.

All? Certainlly not. What is a danger is the growth of these religions, which are fundamentally isolated from the rest of society, and which trust no one else. And, of course, as they grow, the number of fanatics/fundamentalists grows. It doesn't take ALL of a group to cause trouble, just a substantial minority. If we screened these people before allowing them in I'd have less suspicion, but we don't.

Do we? I've never met one. Never seen one. For all the talk of these alleged 'far right' extremists, I've never seen a gathering of more than a dozen or two, and even those are extremely rare. Meanwhile, hundreds of Muslims march down the streets in every city every week, and ostentatiously and defiantly gather in huge groups to pray in the streets, parks and concourses, daring anyone to stop them.

They are in countries that record and report such things. From the UK to Sweden to Germany. Canada's government is a closed book. It's as seceretive as China's or Russia's. They tell you nothing about anything without a ferocious fight. And the news media self censors anyway. At one point, years ago, I began to notice a pattern in murder reports here. I went back through all the reports I could find that year of homocide here, and 90% of those arrested had a Muslim sounding name. I've lately started noticing a lot of Singhs being arrested, too. So many it's starting to become a meme online. 

And, well... https://www.tps.ca/organizational-chart/specialized-operations-command/detective-operations/investigative-services/homicide/most-wanted/

 

Come on, man. Comparing living in Pakistan, Afghanistan or India to living in other parts of Canada is not a serious reply.

Funny how all these immigrants keep coming here every year to 'contribute to our economy' and yet our economy goes down in direct proportion to the numbers coming in. How many are on welfare? The government would never tell us. In other countries, large numbers are on welfare. In some, the majority of people on social welfare programs are immigrants. That only a quarter of those in public housing in Toronto are white ought to be a clue to something.

The problem is, they're not. They weren't raised here. Their values and culture are entirely different and not based on the uniquely Western concepts of fairness, individual rights, mutual respect and tolerence. People throw garbage all over the streets in India. Guess what happens when those people come here? Yes, they do the same thing. In Afghanistan, women are covered in burkas and have no rights. How do you think those men treat women when they arrive here?

Again, the police and government would never tell us if the sexual assault rate was much higher among newcomers than among Canadians, but in other Western countries, the sexual assault/rape rate of those coming from these countries, and others like North Africa is multiples higher than for Canadian born people.

Go and look at the numbers I posted yesterday in the topic on immigration. It shows that on average people from Africa, the middle east, the Carrribean, and South Asia cost a ton of money. It's one thing to give to charity when you can afford it, quite another when you can't pay the rent. The elderly parent/grandparent sponsorship category alone costs taxpayers something like $7 billion a year.

Immigration levels have actually NOT been dialled back. The plan is to hand out 500k permanent resident visas this year and next and the next. All they've done is officially lowered the number of 'immigrants' and instead started handing out lots more permanent residencies to those who were supposed to be here temporarily. We're also still bringing in huge numbers of foreign workers despite a rising unemployment rate.

We're going nowhere on this...  You have a problem with some persons cultures and religions which is fine. I may not agree with how people live culturally or understand their religions but learned a long time ago, it is what it what and so as long as they do their thing and I do mine, so be it.  Immigration numbers are being dialed back so regardless of the numbers, it's lesser than was originally planned for because of massive influx we had from 2021 through 2024.