What The Liberals Did To Canada

[Moonbox]

15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You may be a broken and pathetic little man, but I will hand it to you that you're at least consistent  

You're describing yourself, except there's no "may be" about it.  This is objective and measurable:

One of us has a life outside this forum.  🤣

 

[ExFlyer]

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

"Van" doesn't have to be "affordable". Not now, not then. There are parts of every country that are "unaffordable" for the masses. 

If you wanna live in Van as a young adult, you have always needed more than one roommate.

It's just used as a comp because, as such a large population centre, it has the most stats available going back long-term.

It's the areas around Van that become more and more affordable. And the eastward push of affordability has been massive under the LPoC catastrophe.

It's a relative term, stupid. 

Inflation is normal. The LPoC level of inflation, compared to much slower income growth, is what the Liberal gov't has inflicted on Canadians. If we all got money lavished on us at the rate that their cronies do, everyone would all be buying new BMW's every year, but that's obviously not possible. Someone has to pay, and boy are we paying for it. 

So, Vancouver is an exception? Was Toronto? Was Montreal? Were most major cities in Canada as being "unaffordable"?

"Income Growth Trends (2015–2025)

• 2015–2019 Median after-tax household income saw slow, steady growth, starting around \(\$66,500\) in 2015 (in 2023 constant dollars).
• 2020–2022 (Pandemic Shift): Despite widespread job losses, median after-tax income rose to approximately \(\$73,000–\$76,000\) by 2020–2021, largely driven by emergency government support rather than employment income.
• 2023–2025 (Moderate Growth & Inflationary Pressures): Median after-tax income was \(\$74,200\) in 2023. In 2024, average hourly wages rose 5.0% from 2019 levels, and by late 2025, annual compensation of employees grew by 3.9%, the smallest increase since 2016 (excluding 2020)."

[LinkSoul60]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I just repeat the truth. The real question is why hearing the truth for you is like a vampire getting sprinkled with holy water  

 

People don't tell me that.  YOU do but lets get real, you're closer to a religious zombie for the liberals than 'people'.

And yet only 11 percent in 2014 and 2016.  And 2013 etc

Oh dear.  Couldn't refute the facts and had a little mental break down over it did we?  Well. I'm embarrassing you at any rate   

It's not relevant. We can certainly agree that for better or worse CERB and the corporate versions of it that kept people working obviousy created a bit of a skewed picture for poverty. 

 

I haven't mentioned the current economy.

See, once again, you have to lie and create fake arguments that nobody made to try to salvage your argument. In fact, i said it's too soon to judge carney very clearly and directly.  But - trump and tarifs weren't around ni 2023, 2024 and poverty climbed both those years, and tarifs didn't affect much till later 2025.  

Soooo... not really a tariff issue.

Almost everything you upset is a lie one way or another. You claim I've made statements about the tariffs affecting our economy that never were made. You made claims about the poverty rates in the past and currently claiming that they were the same thing which is untrue considering the definition was changed. So that's a lie. You appear to be claiming that the rate wasn't lower in 2014 and 2016 so that would be another lie on your part.

You lie constantly. You have to, the truth doesn't work for you

And the truth is simple. Canadians are worse off now than they have been in many decades. The poor are poorer and the middle class is on the edge of being wiped out. For most wages are not keeping pace with inflation, people can't afford a home and they can't afford food.

And here's the simple fact you keep desperately trying to avoid;

Are Canadians worse off now than they were economically in 2015 - Google Search

Key Factors Affecting Economic Well-being Since 2015:

• Rising Cost of Living: High inflation and interest rates have significantly increased expenses, contributing to increased food bank usage and personal debt.
• Housing Crisis: Housing costs have risen dramatically, making homeownership unaffordable for many, with average home prices far exceeding income growth.
• Stagnant Productivity & GDP: Real GDP per capita has mostly flatlined since 2015, indicating the economy is not growing fast enough to keep up with population growth.
• Declining Standards: Research suggests that if Canada's economy had followed 2015 trends, individuals could be better off, and the country has fallen behind other advanced economies. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8]

While some metrics, such as overall household wealth, have increased for some, a significant portion of the population reports feeling "worse off" or "just getting by" (roughly 41% or more in various polls). [1, 2, 3]

 

Lol... great info if that was the topic clown 🤡

A scrambling little Fxx is a funny little Fxx trying to cover his tracks. 

You're a foolish little hack, but good fun to laugh at! 😂

[LinkSoul60]

28 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

"Van" doesn't have to be "affordable". Not now, not then. There are parts of every country that are "unaffordable" for the masses. 

FFS... 2015 affordability in metro Van was the original topic clown.  

You and your equally inept little friend have a tough time accepting facts that are not flattering to your bias don't you.

A couple 🤡's

[CdnFox]

And the liberals immediately move to cover up their corruption and screw ups now that they have a majority 

Liberals shut down committee debate on $6.6-billion IT project - Yahoo News Canada

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Poor coinfux...have nothing to say except to defend your LOSER position LOL

 

 

LOOZER! LOOOOOZER!!!  MOMMIE COME LOOK,  I CALLED SOMEONE A LOOZER AGAIN!!! AREN"T I WINNING!?!? Can i have a cookie!?!?!

-Exflyer  

LOL   i accept your admission of defeat and hope you feel better kiddo  

[Goddess]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Wrong, stupid.

Things were far more affordable 11 years ago.

Wages were far higher in relation to mtgs, gas and food prices.

I see the problem here.

LinktheDink doesn't understand the difference between PRICES in 2015 and prices in 2026 vs. AFFORDABILITY in 2015 and affordability in 2026.

I would give up.

I don't think he is capable of understanding it.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

So you obviously acknowledge metro Van was unaffordable in 2015. Your inability to show me otherwise confirms that.

I have shown otherwise several times now. I have proved it Beyond any sensible doubt. Not to mention the fact that I actually lived it. Things were expensive but affordable.

So let's recap

As I have proven and others have proven and even your own statistics showed life was expensive but affordable in Vancouver in 2015

However these days it is not affordable. Affordability has absolutely crashed thanks to you 11 years of liberal mismanagement

Food bank uses at an all-time high, the middle class has all that been wiped out. There are dozens and dozens of metrics which show people are worse off

 

So all you've shown is that you will lie your ass off defense of the liberals even if it means the suffering of Canadians

[LinkSoul60]

Just now, CdnFox said:

I have shown otherwise several times now.

You keep saying that but can't prove it.  

Admit the obvious fact.... you're a simple little hack with little else in life other than disapproving anything left or liberal while holding onto your dreams for a conservative government, which obviously won't happen any time soon.

🤡

[ExFlyer]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOOZER! LOOOOOZER!!!  MOMMIE COME LOOK,  I CALLED SOMEONE A LOOZER AGAIN!!! AREN"T I WINNING!?!? Can i have a cookie!?!?!

-Exflyer  

LOL   i accept your admission of defeat and hope you feel better kiddo  

Poor coinfux...have nothing to say except to defend your LOSER position LOL

[LinkSoul60]

3 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I see the problem here.

LinktheDink doesn't understand the difference between PRICES in 2015 and prices in 2026 vs. AFFORDABILITY in 2015 and affordability in 2026.

I would give up.

I don't think he is capable of understanding it.

Another stunned wonder who has to chirp in...  and who clearly has difficulty understanding that metro Van was highly unaffordable in the early 2000's.  Hard to accept the fact's isn't it...

 

[WestCanMan]

26 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

FFS... 2015 affordability in metro Van was the original topic clown.  

You and your equally inept little friend have a tough time accepting facts that are not flattering to your bias don't you.

A couple 🤡's

No, "What the Liberals did to Canada" is the topic, clown.

Van was never affordable, and barring some vast misfortune, it will never be "affordable".

But the vast majority of the rest of western Canada should be affordable and it is not. In 2015 it was affordable, but the cost of living has been rising faster than wages in this country.

[CdnFox]

49 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

You're describing yourself,

Wow, what a really well thought out and intellectually stimulating reply   Are you still in grade school or something?

"Obsessing over someone's post count online often indicates a high level of insecurity, social anxiety, or a need for validation, reflecting a tendency to measure personal worth—or the worth of others—through visible digital metrics rather than authentic connection. Such behavior can be a form of "orbiting" or social media stalking, where the person is looking for clues to confirm their own beliefs, anxieties, or suspicions about someone else's life"

LOL, hey kid, AI says you're broken  

For me this is like texting, it's just hilarious to see your responses

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

One of us has a life outside this forum.

You don't have a life inside or outside. I come here because it's funny to watch the losers jump around, it's entertaining and interesting to engage in conversation with the more intelligent people and share news. I have a quite a life outside of this., this is just part of my life

But the only reason you come here is because you're bitter and unhappy. And you never contribute in a meaningful way the only contributions you make are to attack other people and then look like a complete twat when they beat the snot out of you

So it's pretty obvious you got some major mental issues outside of this forum as well as inside it.

I can always shut the computer off. But you will always be stuck with your emotional issues

[ExFlyer]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Link: there's no one in this country that honestly thinks things have improved here in the past 11 years.

Life in Canada has been going downhill steadily, and the AI search agrees. 

Now that the Liberals can run our democracy behind closed doors and shut down all investigations into their scandals, things are just going to keep spiralling out of control. 

Well, lets look at that.

We had a vote in 2015...Canadians thought the conservatives did badly and voted them out LOL

Oh and then we had another election in 2019 and Canadians once again voted Liberal because the conservatives had nothing to offer

Oh and then, we had another election in 2021 and once again, the Liberals were voted in by Canadians because the conservatives still had nothing to offer.

And lastly, in 2025, Canadians voted Liberals in again because the conservatives and their leader stumbled, fumbled and had nothing better to off them.

So, it looks most of the country did think Canada has improved or, at worst, thought that the Liberals were a better deal than the conservatives.

So, if you think "things are just going to keep spiralling out of control", well Canadians disagree with you 4 times in a row LOL

So, score so far is 4 - 0 for the liberals

You LOSE

Edited May 1 by ExFlyer

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You keep saying that but can't prove it.  

 

I did prove it. The fact that you're in denial and choose to lie about it doesn't change that. Not only did I prove it but others have proven it as well. And that's also above available for your reading pleasure

You have no idea how pathetic you look right now. Multiple people have provided links information facts and statistics with show that Vancouver was expensive but still affordable in 2015 and that is not true today

Your weird little freak out about it looks more and more like a mental health issue

9 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Another stunned wonder who has to chirp in...  and who clearly has difficulty understanding that metro Van was highly unaffordable in the early 2000's.  Hard to accept the fact's isn't it...

 

Oh look a third person is provided evidence and shows that you're wrong and you're still having a freak out

Why don't you just accept the truth and go and change your diapers while you're at it

[LinkSoul60]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

No, "What the Liberals did to Canada" is the topic, clown.

Van was never affordable, and barring some vast misfortune, it will never be "affordable".

But the vast majority of the rest of western Canada should be affordable and it is not. In 2015 it was affordable, but the cost of living has been rising faster than wages in this country.

Not surprisingly at all, you're wrong yet again.  The topic with your stunned little friend Fxx is/was metro Vancouver 2015 affordability.  Try to keep up if you're going to mindlessly jump into the convo... which is done anyway with little Fxx turtling.

[WestCanMan]

Link: the reason why Trump's economy from 2016-2020 was felt by the general public to be successful was that take-home pay and after-tax pay increased by a very noticeable margin. People paid their bills, bought their groceries, etc, and then had more money left over than they did when Obama was president. 

You don't need graphs to tell people whether they are generally happy or whether they are stressed about making ends meet. 

In Canada, when your mtg interest quadruples, and your heating bill goes up, and it costs $40 more to fill your tank, and the cost of your basic groceries goes up, ALL of that takes noticeable chunks out of your disposable income. People feel it. 

All Canadians feel it the cost of living increasing under the LPoC, and wages are not keeping up.

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But the only reason you come here is because you're bitter and unhappy. And you never contribute in a meaningful way the only contributions you make are to attack other people and then look like a complete twat when they beat the snot out of you

Yesterday after work, I popped in here and in the Unread Content page I could see MoontheBaboon responses to 4 topics - all them were nothing but insults to other posters.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Lol... great info if that was the topic clown 🤡

 

ROFLMAO!!!! So now you claim that affordability and such wasn't part of the topic   LOLOL

Wow,  That's about the weakest attempt to dodge the issue i've ever seen  

But i'm glad you agree with the info, it does prove that affordability has gotten vastly worse under the liberals  

Gotcha kid  

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Not surprisingly at all, you're wrong yet again.  The topic with your stunned little friend Fxx is/was metro Vancouver 2015 affordability.  Try to keep up if you're going to mindlessly jump into the convo... which is done anyway with little Fxx turtling.

Metro Vancouver is not the same as "Vancouver", dummy. 

Metro Vancouver extends almost as far as Abbotsford. 

[CdnFox]

Just now, Goddess said:

Yesterday after work, I popped in here and in the Unread Content page I could see MoontheBaboon responses to 4 topics - all them were nothing but insults to other posters.

It's been that way for years now. Occasionally he would engage in actual debate in the past but it always ended badly for him. Like many on the left he tends to start with an answer and try and work his way back to a question and very frequently winds up posting proof that he's wrong by accident.

It just brings nothing to the table. I don't even know why he's here, honestly whenever he insults somebody he tends to get insulted even worse back and just looks silly

It's like that old joke where the bear says to the hunter "you're not coming here for the hunting any more are you"  

[Legato]

Think Vancouver is still somewhere in Canada is it not?

Don't think the Link would approve but here to a sweet chiming sound to sooth his soul....

AI Overview

Affordability has become a major challenge in Canada since the Liberal party took power in 2015, with many key indicators showing a significant increase in the cost of living and housing. While the governing Liberals argue they are making investments to improve affordability, public opinion polls show a high level of dissatisfaction, with 70% of Canadians feeling the government has fallen short on addressing the high cost of living. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Key facts regarding the decline in affordability since 2015 include:

Declining Buying Power: $100 in 2015 is equivalent to roughly $130.68 in 2026, marking a cumulative inflation rate of over 30% during this period.

Housing Crisis: The housing market has shifted significantly, with housing prices outpacing income growth by 29% over the past decade. Homeownership has become increasingly difficult for many, with 88% of renters now feeling that the dream of owning a home is out of reach.

High Costs of Shelter: Renters have seen massive increases in shelter costs, and in many cities, a starter home now costs 6 to 12 times more than what a young couple earns.

Government Spending & Deficits: The federal government has continued to run large deficits and has been accused of contributing to inflation through high spending, while housing supply has not kept pace with demand.

Public Perception: In 2025 and 2026, polls consistently showed that a strong majority of Canadians (67% to 70%) felt the Liberals missed the mark on improving housing affordability and reducing the high cost of living. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8]

While the government has implemented policies such as the Housing Accelerator Fund and initiatives to reduce building red tape, critics and opposition parties argue these measures have been insufficient to counter the rapid rise in costs.

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[CdnFox]

58 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

You're describing yourself,

Wow, what a really well thought out and intellectually stimulating reply   Are you still in grade school or something?

"Obsessing over someone's post count online often indicates a high level of insecurity, social anxiety, or a need for validation, reflecting a tendency to measure personal worth—or the worth of others—through visible digital metrics rather than authentic connection. Such behavior can be a form of "orbiting" or social media stalking, where the person is looking for clues to confirm their own beliefs, anxieties, or suspicions about someone else's life"

LOL, hey kid, AI says you're broken  

 

 

[LinkSoul60]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I did prove it. The fact that you're in denial and choose to lie about it doesn't change that. Not only did I prove it but others have proven it as well. And that's also above available for your reading pleasure

You have no idea how pathetic you look right now. Multiple people have provided links information facts and statistics with show that Vancouver was expensive but still affordable in 2015 and that is not true today

Your weird little freak out about it looks more and more like a mental health issue

Oh look a third person is provided evidence and shows that you're wrong and you're still having a freak out

Why don't you just accept the truth and go and change your diapers while you're at it

You proved and have shown nothing clown... other than validating again that you're a simple little hack.

You're embarrassing...  Your parents must be so proud every time they go downstairs and see you typing like a little madman on the keyboard 😂

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Metro Vancouver is not the same as "Vancouver", dummy. 

Metro Vancouver extends almost as far as Abbotsford. 

It actually gets worse for him when you talk about Metro Vancouver. That was his original premise, the idea that in Metro Vancouver you couldn't buy a home in 2015 on an average income

And in fact there were lots of places in Metro Vancouver that you could buy a home in 2015 on an average income. 

I mean we've already done this to death, I posted the average incomes, I posted the average pricing in Vancouver and in Greater Vancouver and even the lower mainland and went through all the numbers and a young couple starting out looking to raise a family could definitiely purchase a townhome more than suitable for that and they would have paid less for their food and other expenses as a percent of their income than the average today. 

I mean there's just no doubt. In 2015 Vancouver was expensive but still affordable. Today it isn't

A more interesting question is why is he so emotionally invested in this that he spent six pages arguing something when proof has been provided by multiple people but he's wrong

Here's the numbers again a slightly differnet way to hope he gets it

Median Couple Family Income (with children): $96,888

The benchmark price for a townhouse was about 500,000 dollars

The house is considered affordable if it's 30% of your pre-tax income. That would be 2,422.2  That is the definition of affordable.

So the mortgage on that home would be $2,127.84 per mnth based on the interest rates of the day. 

So the average family with children in the lower mainland could definitely afford a nice townhouse with 3 bedrooms in a nice part of town.  AND they'd have paid less for their car, their food, and a bunch of other things as a percentage of their income. 

Vancouver was expensive but affordable. 

 

Mortgage Calculator - Canada.ca

What is considered an affordable percentage of your income to pay for housing in Canada - Google Search

What was the average selling price for a townhouse in greater Vancouver 2015 - Google Search

What was the median family income in Metro vancouver in 2015 - Google Search

9 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You proved and have shown nothing clown...

I've proved and shown everything and so have others. And each one of the facts and figures you've tried to present was shown to be inaccurate or irrelevant. You think if people can't afford a detached mansion in British Properties Vancouver wasn't affordable

You can go look to my post to westcan man, provided all the numbers again from a slightly different angle. Originally I posted the numbers to you for a young couple starting out, this time I went with a family with children. Still affordable