August1991 Posted September 15, 2025 Report Posted September 15, 2025 Out of curiosity, will Americans now start to change the name of a major street/boulevard in their cities? Quote
August1991 Posted September 15, 2025 Author Report Posted September 15, 2025 If so, it will become known as the CK Blvd. Like the MLK Jnr Blvd. Quote
Deluge Posted September 15, 2025 Report Posted September 15, 2025 11 hours ago, August1991 said: Out of curiosity, will Americans now start to change the name of a major street/boulevard in their cities? I would. MLK was over 50 years ago. I'd even make Sept 10 a national holiday. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted September 15, 2025 Report Posted September 15, 2025 5 minutes ago, Deluge said: I would. MLK was over 50 years ago. I'd even make Sept 10 a national holiday. Because Charlie Kirk was a good person and a good pundit, but he does not rise to the level of MLK. 1 1 Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
Shady Posted September 15, 2025 Report Posted September 15, 2025 11 hours ago, August1991 said: Out of curiosity, will Americans now start to change the name of a major street/boulevard in their cities? Definitely. There should be painted crosswalks as well. 2 Quote
robosmith Posted September 15, 2025 Report Posted September 15, 2025 12 hours ago, August1991 said: Out of curiosity, will Americans now start to change the name of a major street/boulevard in their cities? No one but MAGA is going to name a major street after a RACIST and anti-LGTBQ BIGOT. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted September 15, 2025 Report Posted September 15, 2025 1 minute ago, robosmith said: No one but MAGA is going to name a major street after a RACIST and anti-LGTBQ BIGOT. We aren't talking about that. We are talking about Charlie Kirk. Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
Michael Hardner Posted September 15, 2025 Report Posted September 15, 2025 7 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: We aren't talking about that. We are talking about Charlie Kirk. You can agree with his points of view, but it's hard to argue that he wasn't a 'provocateur' or 'gadfly' to be generous. If he wanted a better world for all, that could be argued... But there would be significant political pushback from "cities", I would imagine. Some examples of his provocative comments: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/charlie-kirk-did-stoning-gay-120003332.html 1 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
robosmith Posted September 15, 2025 Report Posted September 15, 2025 17 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: We aren't talking about that. We are talking about Charlie Kirk. Kirk has expressed anti-LGBTQ bigotry. Charlie Kirk: A legacy of anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric - Scene Magazine scenemag.co.uk https://www.scenemag.co.uk › charlie-kirk-a-legacy-of-... 4 days ago — ... bigotry and harmful rhetoric. Share this post. Written by. Graham Robson. Comments. Trailblazing NBA star Jason Collins - the ... Gay mecca West Hollywood flies rainbow flags at half-mast ... LGBTQ Nation https://www.lgbtqnation.com › 2025/09 › gay-mecca-w... 5 hours ago — Kirk was a racist Christian Nationalist who advocated for stoning gay people to death ... anti-LGBTQ+ bigot Charlie Kirk. Kirk was a racist ... Charlie Kirk was the loudest homophobe in America, and ... Instagram · joshhelfgott 35.6K+ likes · 4 days ago GAY NEWS ANTI-LGBTQ ACTIVIST CHARLIE KIRK SHOT DEAD While Refusing to Answer Question on Number of Mass Shootings in U.S.. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted September 15, 2025 Report Posted September 15, 2025 6 minutes ago, robosmith said: Kirk has expressed anti-LGBTQ bigotry. Charlie Kirk: A legacy of anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric - Scene Magazine scenemag.co.uk https://www.scenemag.co.uk › charlie-kirk-a-legacy-of-... 4 days ago — ... bigotry and harmful rhetoric. Share this post. Written by. Graham Robson. Comments. Trailblazing NBA star Jason Collins - the ... Gay mecca West Hollywood flies rainbow flags at half-mast ... LGBTQ Nation https://www.lgbtqnation.com › 2025/09 › gay-mecca-w... 5 hours ago — Kirk was a racist Christian Nationalist who advocated for stoning gay people to death ... anti-LGBTQ+ bigot Charlie Kirk. Kirk was a racist ... Charlie Kirk was the loudest homophobe in America, and ... Instagram · joshhelfgott 35.6K+ likes · 4 days ago GAY NEWS ANTI-LGBTQ ACTIVIST CHARLIE KIRK SHOT DEAD While Refusing to Answer Question on Number of Mass Shootings in U.S.. Do you have any non-lwnj opinions? Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
User Posted September 15, 2025 Report Posted September 15, 2025 27 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: You can agree with his points of view, but it's hard to argue that he wasn't a 'provocateur' or 'gadfly' to be generous. To the point of this thread, so was MLK. 1 Quote
robosmith Posted September 15, 2025 Report Posted September 15, 2025 1 minute ago, gatomontes99 said: Do you have any non-lwnj opinions? YES! Do YOU? The Independent Where Charlie Kirk stood on guns, the LGBT+ community and the future of the United States Turning Point founder, an anti-abortion Christian and Second Amendment advocate, Kirk was known for his loyalty to Donald Trump and his... Quote His views were often viewed as controversial. As an anti-abortion Christian, he routinely debated progressive liberals, Muslims, and the LGBT+ community, resulting in allegations of misogyny, Islamophobia, and homophobia. The Guardian Charlie Kirk in his own words: ‘prowling Blacks’ and ‘the great replacement strategy’ The far-right commentator didn't pull his punches when discussing his bigoted views on current events. Quote On gender, feminism and reproductive rights Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You’re not in charge. – Discussing news of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce’s engagement on The Charlie Kirk Show, 26 August 2025 The answer is yes, the baby would be delivered. – Responding to a question about whether he would support his 10-year-old daughter aborting a pregnancy conceived because of rape on the debate show Surrounded, published on 8 September 2024 We need to have a Nuremberg-style trial for every gender-affirming clinic doctor. We need it immediately. – The Charlie Kirk Show, 1 April 2024 Quote
Deluge Posted September 15, 2025 Report Posted September 15, 2025 1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said: Because Charlie Kirk was a good person and a good pundit, but he does not rise to the level of MLK. No sarcasm over here. MLK was a good man with a good message, but let's not deify him. Charlie Kirk was also a good man. He was basically on a quest to teach people - especially young adults - to be solid citizens; solid Americans. Kirk deserves just as much recognition as MLK. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted September 15, 2025 Report Posted September 15, 2025 2 hours ago, User said: To the point of this thread, so was MLK. Yes, true. It took about 15 years for MLK's impact on the American experience to start to settle in. I would say he was far less divisive at that time. If in 2040 we are looking back at CK with the same general feeling, it could be time to propose that. I doubt you could have made an MLK Boulevard in Georgia in 1968. Good perspective though. 1 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Moonlight Graham Posted September 16, 2025 Report Posted September 16, 2025 Kirk's murder is very disturbing but the comparison to MLK Jr is ridiculous. I wouldn't be naming any streets after someone who helped Trump lay the groundwork for his coup attempt by spreading the false conspiracy theory that the 2020 election was stolen. 2 1 Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
gatomontes99 Posted September 16, 2025 Report Posted September 16, 2025 17 hours ago, Deluge said: No sarcasm over here. MLK was a good man with a good message, but let's not deify him. Charlie Kirk was also a good man. He was basically on a quest to teach people - especially young adults - to be solid citizens; solid Americans. Kirk deserves just as much recognition as MLK. A lot of reports are that MLK was less than perfect. We all are really. He may have been more so. But his message was timely and on point. Charlie was probably a little less imperfect but his message was not quite as important. It was good. It just wasn't direction altering. Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
User Posted September 16, 2025 Report Posted September 16, 2025 10 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Kirk's murder is very disturbing but the comparison to MLK Jr is ridiculous. I wouldn't be naming any streets after someone who helped Trump lay the groundwork for his coup attempt by spreading the false conspiracy theory that the 2020 election was stolen. Do you have an example of something he said on it being stolen? Because a lot of people think the election was figuratively stolen for very different reasons, and some of them are perfectly valid and factual arguments. Quote
Deluge Posted September 16, 2025 Report Posted September 16, 2025 2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: A lot of reports are that MLK was less than perfect. We all are really. He may have been more so. But his message was timely and on point. Charlie was probably a little less imperfect but his message was not quite as important. It was good. It just wasn't direction altering. Kirk's message was also timely and on point. He will probably never have a "I have a dream" slogan, but his message is highly relevant. MLK's message was mainly to curb racism, Kirk's message was for the betterment of this country; so when you think about it, Charlie Kirk's message is more critical to now, than MLK's message is. I would even say that speaking to the well being of the entire country is a better message than speaking to the ills of racism. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted September 16, 2025 Report Posted September 16, 2025 10 minutes ago, Deluge said: Kirk's message was also timely and on point. He will probably never have a "I have a dream" slogan, but his message is highly relevant. MLK's message was mainly to curb racism, Kirk's message was for the betterment of this country; so when you think about it, Charlie Kirk's message is more critical to now, than MLK's message is. I would even say that speaking to the well being of the entire country is a better message than speaking to the ills of racism. Yes. Kirk was very relevant for today. But does his message carry 60 years from now? Kirk was fantastic, don't get me wrong. We are arguing like it's LeBron or Jordan here. All I am saying is that MLK transformed the nation while Kirk changed some voting patterns. Yes, there are similarities to these people. No, I don't think Kirk is better than or on the same level as MLK. Both are on my list of American Political Legends. 1 Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
Nationalist Posted September 16, 2025 Report Posted September 16, 2025 22 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: You can agree with his points of view, but it's hard to argue that he wasn't a 'provocateur' or 'gadfly' to be generous. If he wanted a better world for all, that could be argued... But there would be significant political pushback from "cities", I would imagine. Some examples of his provocative comments: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/charlie-kirk-did-stoning-gay-120003332.html Gee...it's not like he called someone's wife a credit card accepting whore... Eh Mike? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Shady Posted September 16, 2025 Report Posted September 16, 2025 22 hours ago, robosmith said: No one but MAGA is going to name a major street after a RACIST and anti-LGTBQ BIGOT. Everything you don't like isn't racist and anti-Alphabet people. Especially when it's you people that are actually the racists and anti-women. 1 1 Quote
Deluge Posted September 16, 2025 Report Posted September 16, 2025 1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said: Yes. Kirk was very relevant for today. But does his message carry 60 years from now? Kirk was fantastic, don't get me wrong. We are arguing like it's LeBron or Jordan here. All I am saying is that MLK transformed the nation while Kirk changed some voting patterns. Yes, there are similarities to these people. No, I don't think Kirk is better than or on the same level as MLK. Both are on my list of American Political Legends. Jordan was better. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted September 16, 2025 Report Posted September 16, 2025 41 minutes ago, Deluge said: Jordan was better. Totally Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
Moonlight Graham Posted September 16, 2025 Report Posted September 16, 2025 (edited) 3 hours ago, User said: Do you have an example of something he said on it being stolen? Because a lot of people think the election was figuratively stolen for very different reasons, and some of them are perfectly valid and factual arguments. Well: https://www.businessinsider.com/geraldo-rivera-to-charlie-kirk-stop-denying-trump-loss-2020-12 And he organized the sending of 80 busses full of Trump supporters to the Capitol on Jan 6 and was subpoenaed by the Jan 6 committee for it, where he exercised his 5th amendment right: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c33r4kjez6no He also led a "stop the steal" rally. Edited September 16, 2025 by Moonlight Graham 1 Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
CdnFox Posted September 16, 2025 Report Posted September 16, 2025 On 9/15/2025 at 10:18 AM, Michael Hardner said: You can agree with his points of view, but it's hard to argue that he wasn't a 'provocateur' or 'gadfly' to be generous. If he wanted a better world for all, that could be argued... But there would be significant political pushback from "cities", I would imagine. Some examples of his provocative comments: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/charlie-kirk-did-stoning-gay-120003332.html It's extremely easy to argue that. He engaged people in debate and discussion. And he gave them every freedom to make their case. That is not a Provocateur or gadfly, that is someone who is out there honestly putting ideas Into The Crucible a public discussion and that is something that is noble and appropriate regardless of your opinions of his opinions His argument and tour wasn't I am right, it was prove me wrong. He challenged young people to think and question their ideas and if they had come to their ideas from the wrong sources and with a lack of intelligence or logic they got chewed up and spit out and learned that they had to actually think about what their position was. Which is a fantastic lesson for them to learn. He allowed them to choose the subject, they had phones to look up any information they needed and have it handy, then he was coming and can prepare in advance, there was no tricks involved. These kids who were at facilities of higher education and learning and presumably know how to do their research were able to directly challenge him and his ideas That is noble. I don't give a crap about what you think about his opinions, what he did was noble and right. People like him from the left and the right should be out doing that regularly but he did it. And you call it being a provocateur. That speaks more about you than it does with him 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
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